Social Question

Stinley's avatar

Is there something you would like do but don't because of gender stereotyping?

Asked by Stinley (11525points) January 12th, 2017 from iPhone

Inspired by this article, what things would you like to do but feel you can’t because of gender stereotyping?

Observing members: 0 Composing members: 0

40 Answers

Coloma's avatar

Zero, but…the question is whether I’d really want to. Do I want to be a football player, a car mechanic or a logger, hell no. haha

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Gymastics. Also swimming alone in a public swimming pool. I don’t want to look like a creeper.

Dutchess_III's avatar

This is a really, really good question. (And your link led nowhere.) I had to go away and think.

I’m with @Coloma. Nothing. I have consistently punched into a “man’s world,” all my life, including mechanics and football Coloma! And I’ve gotten grief over it, too. And football hurt. But I don’t care.

I think @RedDeerGuy1 probably nailed it. I think men would have a bigger problem than women. A man reading a book at a park would probably raise flags, but a woman wouldn’t.

Brian1946's avatar

Fixed the link in the OP:
https://www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2017/2/what-men-would-do-if-stereotypes-didnt-exist

“What” was somehow misspelled as “whah”.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, how very interesting. I was right. Men do have a bigger problem than women.

canidmajor's avatar

Yeah, this is one of the few areas that are socially much more difficult for men than women. Even in such an area as single parenting it is assumed that men will do a poor job.

So no, there really isn’t an area where gender stereotyping has stopped me.

ucme's avatar

Synchro swimming, i’d look fantastic in a sequened bikini & a blinged up swimcap, but bigger boys would laugh at my inevitable boner & ruin the moment for me.

JLeslie's avatar

I can’t think of anything.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

It’s funny you asked this question @Stinley. I was thinking of asking a similar question. I saw a news story yesterday about things men would like to do if they weren’t afraid of being considered ‘feminine’. It was really interesting.

I asked my husband, but he couldn’t think of anything off-the-cuff. When I was younger, had someone said “you can do anything you like” rather than “how about you go to secretarial school or become a nurse”, I think in time I would have loved to be a foreign correspondent or even a war correspondent – think Kate Adie. Obviously, women have carried out such work but it has been dominated by men. And really, I wish I’d just been given equal opportunities in my youth. I wish the ‘idea’ that I could do anything had been floated rather than being offered a narrow range of ideas for future jobs.

I’m lucky that I’ve gone on to do whatever I wanted to do. If I wanted to try bricklaying or welding or whatever, I would do it. Still, I do sometimes wonder where I would have gone and what I would have done had I not been restricted by gender stereotypes in my youth.

Mariah's avatar

Same as many of the ladies here, I don’t feel restricted from activities due to my gender and agree that it’s much more of a taboo for men to break gender stereotypes; hell, in a lot of circles, it’s cool to be a woman with “masculine” interests. Far, far less acceptance for men to express feminine interests. I’ve always wondered whether that’s due to sexism against men or women – it limits men’s options, but it also seems to imply that womanly things are uncool. I’ve decided it’s both, and it’s part of why I feel feminism is good for both genders – making femininity cool also opens up more doors for men who might want to explore interests that are usually limited to us.

Anyway – that was a tangent – despite saying that I don’t feel restricted in my options of hobbies, I do agree with @Earthbound_Misfit that my gender played a role in the guidance I received when I was younger, if that counts. When I got to college to study computer science, some of the men there had been programming since childhood, and those that hadn’t had at least taken a high school class. I never got nudged in that direction and had zero experience and almost didn’t stick with the major because of insecurity surrounding that. I also found out, my senior year of high school after my schedule was locked in, that we’d had a really cool shop class available to us all along, and I had always expressed interest in engineering, but my guidance counselor apparently never thought I needed to be made aware of that class. Whatever – I’ve managed to be successful despite it all so I don’t dwell on it much these days.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

We have to change that for those who follow @Mariah. That you still experienced this is ridiculous. You are much younger than me. We can act as mentors for those behind us. What we share is our determination. When you (or I) set our minds to do something, we do it. How many women think they’re crap at maths because they were given that experience at school? Or were never encouraged to take a science subject? I know there’s much greater awareness of this and getting women involved in STEM areas is now happening, but we’ve got a way to go still.

I agree it’s harder for a man to say – I fancy trying quilting – without his mates teasing him. It will be good to hear from other men here what they have wanted to do, but haven’t because of those stereotypes.

Blackberry's avatar

Every time I get drunk around people, I have to fight the urge to start twerking.

Mimishu1995's avatar

A little food for thought.

The people who say you can think of nothing, do you miss some subtle rules that you have to conform with everyday? Like how you are supposed to sit or walk as a man/woman I really don’t know how to word it properly? Things like doing a womanly job or participating in a womanly leisure are easy, but things like those are much more difficult.

Here’s my humble opinion: like it or not, we are bound to gender stereotypes one way or another. They are ingrained in our mind ever since we were born, from the adults around us and our own observation of the world. And we tend to do things that reflect what we knew as children. We don’t want it, but we are subconsciously bound by it. Can you sit in the same way men do?

Or maybe I’m looking at this matter the wrong way. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

Coloma's avatar

@Mimishu1995 I agree, if a women in almost any culture sat with her legs apart like men do it would be considered in poor taste, or worse.

Stinley's avatar

I fixed the link in the question also. Thanks, Brian though.

@Mariah my daughter is choosing which subjects to study for A level (16–18 year old). She’s not put off Computer Science but knows lots of girls who are because it’s a ‘boys’ subject.

cazzie's avatar

Let my natural face hair grow. As a woman of a certain age my whiskers are coming in thick and fast. I hate plucking but girls aren’t meant to have facial hair.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

I must have learned early that people in large groups do things en masse that make no sense at all. I must have learned it early because I can’t remember being any other way. In this way, I’ve remained slightly detached from every society I’ve lived in. It’s easier for me to do this because I never had children that I was never forced to teach the ways of conforming in order for them to survive and succeed. I’ve managed to stay out of debt also, which gives me the freedom of telling the world to fuck off when it makes no sense to me.

Ha. I’ve always been a big, confident guy. People have a thing about big, confident guys. They don’t give us a lot of shit. I’ve been extremely lucky that way.

When I came back to the States after ten years of being away, I wanted to get into medicine. I was kicking forty, so med school was out of the question. So, my options were to be a tech, or a nurse. Techs don;t get paid as well as nurses. Nursing has a lot more upward mobility available and oportunities for advancement with futher education. So, instead of becoming a paramedic like most guys like me do, I became a nurse.

I can’t tell you the shit that I took for making that decision. It surprised even me. I sincerely thought that we’d got past a lot of the gender shit after all the turmoil of the 1970’s. But, it seems, society often can’t walk the talk anymore than the most ignorant redneck.

Some of it was blatant, much of it was mindlessly insinuated, without any bad intention. But it was constantly there. I quickly learned to ignore it. It was assumed by a lot of people that I was gay. LOL. What a surprise it was to some of my female colleagues when they realized I wasn’t. A pleasant surprise I hope. Most of my gay male colleagues new right away. LOL. People are strange.

Being a male on a hospital floor would get me into trouble with my superiors sometimes. I would walk into a patient’s room with a female doctor and the patient would invariably defer to me. Even after the doctor introduced herself as such, the patient would ask me the questions and sometimes ignore the doctor completely. Doctors have to work very hard to get and maintain their positions, much harder than nurses, and they ultimately have much more responsibility. I would always defer the patient to the doctor, but sometimes this changed nothing. I found being put in this position in a room with a doctor and a patient embarrassing for all three of us. Sometimes I would excuse myself and leave the room. It’s the way things were.

There are things done in gynocology that I think a lot of women are uncomfortable havint a male nurse do. Most women don’t mind a male doctor doing these things, but not a nurse. Most of the time they don’t object, but anybody with half a brain can feel when their patient is uncomfortable. I knew the first time I massaged a post-delivery patient’s fundus that gyno wasn’t for me. I didn’t get into nursing to make patients uncomfortable. Just the opposite. For this and other reasons, I never did gyno.

And I have to say…. way, way back in my mind, I don’t like the idea of clinically examining women. It’s an irrational thing, but I would like to keep those two worlds apart—medicine and women. Clinical examination might get to be a habit, and I don’t think they would like that very much. LOL. Totally irrational, but it has always been there.

But this was all back in the stone age. Things have changed quite a bit since I began as a nurse. I see more male nurses on the floors these days. I see opinions by females on the net that tell me the collective mindset is changing. That’s a good thing.

Little things, like how a woman sits, which occupation she chooses, how she speaks, how aggressive or passive she is—I don’t see these things through a gender filter. I take them as they come like I do men. I’m interested in what kind of people they are and the primal, chemical reactions I have to certain women. But I’ve never had to deal with the same societal pressures as many of the rest of you. I’ve been really lucky. I have always been able to tell the world to go fuck themselves without endangering anyone but myself and my own career.

JLeslie's avatar

^^I wouldn’t want a male nurse in the room for GYN stuff, but I’m fine with a male doctor. Above the waist I wouldn’t care, for X-rays and echos and that sort (I’ve had these done by men, but they were actually for heart, or injury, but still bare breast) but below the waist I admit to being uncomfortable.

Mimishu1995's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus I like the not seeing women in gender view part. It’s also what I manage to do too. I think that’s why I don’t feel that much constrained to gender roles like other people. But it comes with a price too: sometimes people give me that strange look. I don’t want to change though, it helps me think in a more rational way anyway.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

@Mimishu1995 Yep. There is always a price. But I’ve found being on the vanguard of positive change is ultimately a bargain with the benefits far outweighing the costs. Self respect, the harder it is earned, is a very cool thing. Don’t change, Mimi. Stay out of debt and always do what you think is right. Fiind a way to give a just a small bit of yourself and what you do for a living to the greater good, for things larger than yourself. Every field of edeavor affords this in some way. You don’t have to be a Mother Teresa about it. Just a bit of yourself. Don’t be afraid to relocate to live among a more tolerant people, either. You can get a lot more done that way. The payoff is a good life and you will eventually find you are surrounded by like-minded people. They recognize each other.

cazzie's avatar

A health professional is a health professional. I changed cities so I had to change doctors. My first visit to the new one was for a gyno problem. I had my pants and panties off and my legs up on his examining table before he was finished saying hello. I’m a ‘get it done’ sort of patient. Don’t much care what dingles between your legs.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

^^Well, I would have at least introduced myself and offered to shake your hand before beginning the examination. LOL. Norwegians.

cazzie's avatar

No, no…. it was a quick intro and a handshake, but I’d been in pain and was anxious to get it sorted and it wasn’t in Norway. I shocked the poor young Kiwi doctor, I think. But I was young and not shy about seeing a doctor.

My first doctor here in Norway was another story. I had to change because he tried to lecture me about the soul of my unborn baby because I wasn’t Christian. When I put in an application to change doctors, I found out that he had been struck off and put on probation for not treating a diabetic child with approved protocols, instead, agreeing to ‘pray the illness away’ with the parents. He was very old and stunk of cigarettes.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Oy. He spent his medical career trying to prevent Rosemary’s baby. Wow. That is totally contra to my imagined stereotype of a Norwegian doctor.

JLeslie's avatar

^^Me too. Every time @cazzie talks about the religious thing in Norway I need to put a place marker in my brain. Everyone (the rest of the western world) is always talking about how crazy religious the Americans are, which had me assuming Western Europe mostly isn’t.

@cazzie You weren’t shy about a male doctor, but is it the same regarding male nurses?

cazzie's avatar

@JLeslie you know what? This just reminded me of one time I was in the ER for my gall stones and was puking my guts out. My pain relief had to be administered through the other end. A young male nurse came to my side and told me what the doctor had ordered and asked if I would rather have a female nurse, I said, ‘No, I just want to the pain meds, I don’t care.’ And that was that.

Yes, we even have a ‘Christian’ Political party that has elected seats in parliament. Our Christians make your moderates look extreme, though. There is a well known school in Western Norway that hold ‘bible camps’ that are very fundy and any American fundy would feel at home there. But we also have a Communist Party. So, the gambit is represented. Part of the joys (and tribulations) of something more than a two party system. Oh, and don’t forget the racist assholes. Plenty of them here, too. ‘Norge for Nordmenn’... that part is pretty damn embarrassing for most everyone.

But mostly, we have our King who represents most of us, I think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShLacHMG6Q4

cazzie's avatar

(I don’t mind telling you that when I saw this speech by the King of Norway, I shed a few tears)

JLeslie's avatar

@cazzie Nice speech. Our leaders in America speak of our diversity and acknowledge how we differ and are still all part of what makes America, but never as completely inclusive as the speech you linked here, and not quite with the same tone of oneness that the King delivered. Very nice.

Regarding religion more than one president in America has included acknowledging many religions and even atheists in their speeches, including inaugural speeches.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Same here @cazzie. I shave in the shower every time I take a shower. I don’t know where this no-hair thing for women came from.

cazzie's avatar

I never shave my legs, but today, I had to go to the doctor to have my knee checked because I royally fucked it up. I have a female doctor, but I felt compelled to shave my several months of hair off. I don’t know why. I just felt anxiety over it, that if I didn’t I’d have embarrassment and regret. Super stupid. I had to take extra time to shave my legs because of the pain in my knee, but yet, I did it. I didn’t do it when my ‘boyfriend’ was here this past week. I felt comfortable with my natural hair with him, but the female doctor…. suddenly, I felt I had to fix it.

Coloma's avatar

Funny because I always feel it weirder to have a female doctor doing a pelvic exam, I don’t know why, but I am more comfortable with male doctors in that realm. I’m the jokester type and one of my pap smears my doctor apologized for it taking so long, said he couldn’t find my cervix. I laughed and said “well, keep looking it was there last time.” I now have a male nurse practitioner that I adore, he is super funny, good natured, easy going, thorough, doesn’t make you feel rushed and a total hipster that wears psychedelic socks my kinda guy. haha

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m not comfortable with any doctor in that situation. I just stare at the ceiling and think of other things.

cinnamonk's avatar

Wear my dark, long, feminine mustache with pride

cazzie's avatar

Beige. I think I’ll paint it Beige.

ucme's avatar

Enter Miss World, no not like that…as a contestant I mean

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, most of them have those drop ceiling things, so I count the dots!

Response moderated
Response moderated

Answer this question

Login

or

Join

to answer.
Your answer will be saved while you login or join.

Have a question? Ask Fluther!

What do you know more about?
or
Knowledge Networking @ Fluther