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Is it true that the NRA was a front for the KKK?

Asked by RedDeerGuy1 (24473points) June 25th, 2018

To prevent minorities from owning handguns? Where they founded in the same time?

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KNOWITALL's avatar

The only thing I’ve ever heard is that the NRA was formed to help our armed forces get better at shooting. One rumored story on snopes.com says that the NRA helped freed slaves arm themselves against the KKK, maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?

chyna's avatar

No, but Fluther is a front for the CIA.

janbb's avatar

I did once hear that the first gun control laws were to prevent African-Americans from getting them but I have never verified that by research.

Irukandji's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1 It’s extremely unlikely that this is true. The “evidence” presented in that cartoon is that the NRA was founded in the same year that Congress took action to suppress the KKK, which the cartoon assumes could not possibly be a coincidence. But there’s all sorts of reasons to think that it really is a coincidence, including the fact that the NRA was founded in New York by Unionists and appointed Unionists and KKK opponents such as Ambrose Burnside and Ulysses S. Grant to its presidency.

Being a Northerner or a Unionist doesn’t absolve someone of being a racist or a Klan member, but these were people who actively fought to destroy the first incarnation of the KKK and who successfully prevented the organization from resurfacing for nearly half a century. Also, we know why the NRA was formed: Union military leaders discovered that 1,000 bullets had been fired for every Confederate soldier killed or injured, leading them to conclude that there was something wrong with how they were training their soldiers. So they founded a marksmanship club.

(It turns out that they were wrong about the competency of their troops. Soldiers used to purposely miss or only pretend to fire very frequently because purposely killing another human being is hard for most people. I highly recommend this book on the subject.)

@KNOWITALL “One rumored story on snopes.com says that the NRA helped freed slaves arm themselves against the KKK”

That story isn’t rumored, it’s debunked.

@janbb It’s actually a lot more complicated than that. Gun control laws go all the way back to the Founding Fathers. The NRA also used to be fine with some degree of gun control, and it wasn’t until the 1970s that they started peddling revisionist interpretations of the Second Amendment. But their support of the 1967 Mulford Act, which was passed largely in reaction to armed patrols of Oakland, CA conducted by the Black Panther Party, is frequently used against the NRA due to their current views about gun control and contemporary failure to support black gun owners as consistently as they support white gun owners. The criticism is anachronistic, much like the criticism presented in @RedDeerGuy1‘s cartoon, but that gets overlooked thanks to how many NRA supporters like to pretend that the organization has always stood for the same things it stands for now.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@Irukandji GA! Very well written answer , With good links to read later when I can. Thanks.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Fluther is a front for the CIA

That has not been mentioned for a while. I forgot about that. I forgot when the pleasant men in black suits told me to.

thatoneguy14's avatar

They were started back in 1871 by a Union General by the name of George Wingate and Colonel William C Church after seeing the lack of rifle marksmanship by their men. It states that their purpose was to “promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis…”. Their purpose, currently, is to train people on proper safe firearms usage, promoting shooting sports, and defend the 2nd Amendment through legal action. It eventually became a group that fought for the 2nd Amendment Rights of American citizens even though, as of late, they have done more to strip away those Rights then protect them. That occurred much later on after their founding, but that’s neither here nor there. Just FYI: Snopes and Politifact are notoriously known for being heinously politically biased, leaning to the left. They aren’t a trust worthy source anymore then a right leaning source for the purpose of this discussion. Neither is the cartoon which was created by Michael Moore, another notoriously biased “individual” as a nicer way to say it.

https://mic.com/articles/23929/10-surprising-facts-about-the-nra-that-you-never-hear#.qkIjL0kuH

https://ammo.com/articles/guns-nra-and-american-civil-rights-movement-guide

Interestingly enough, the NRA was actually supportive of the Civil Rights activists during that time, and in one case, actually defended the home of a Civil Rights leader against a KKK assault. I believe his name was Robert F. Williams and this occurred in Monroe, N.C. in 1960.

A fact that Irukandji fails to mention correctly is the fact that the founding fathers were very much for the free ownership of firearms for the citizens. When he states “Gun control laws go all the way back to the Founding Fathers.” That is not a truthful statement. In the below posted link, that is a history teacher who is speaking on the subject of the Founding Father’s opinions on gun control and their disdain for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1VOwmYJN4Y&t=2s

The Founding Fathers were for private ownership of firearms and even more so, firearms of the military grade. There were also firearms with “high capacity” and “fast fire rates” that they were both aware of and very much liked. The Puckle Gun, Pepperbox revolver, and Giardoni Air Rifle to name a few. The Giardoni Air Rifle being what the Lewis and Clark expedition was armed with by the then President, Thomas Jefferson, who was also one of the Founding Fathers. There is actual evidence of their knowledge of these guns, other then the one I just gave, and having interest in arming their men with them. And people also forget that most of the ships, cannons, and firearms were privately owned by the citizens during the Revolutionary War and were donated by them for the war effort.

I digress though. Getting off topic. The NRA has changed quite a bit. They weren’t always a political organization. But the thing is, gun control as we know it today was a non-starter for the majority of our countries founding. The first attempt at a federal gun control law was the National Firearms Act of 1934 which only actually covered short barrel rifles and fully automatic machine guns. Before that point, no real gun control measures were put in place.

So there is some evidence of them being very supportive of the Civil Rights movement and helped protect it’s leaders in some cases. So, I would say no. This idea that the NRA is a front for the KKK is just hogwash. There’s evidence that this is very much not the case. I would also avoid Politifact and Snopes. They are known to twist facts, outright leave things out, and often have a pro-left leaning bias on their articles. So just take their stuff with a grain of salt. For the sake of open mindedness and being neutral in the discussion. Some of this was pointed towards some of the other commentators but I’m new so forgive me for my ineptitude with trying to figure out this sites reply function.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Glad your opinion of yourself is so high @thatoneguy14, you quote from right wing gun backers (with their agenda) and put down Snopes and Politifact. S M H

Welcome back !

Irukandji's avatar

@thatoneguy14 I included a link backing up my claim. And if you had bothered to read it, you’d see that includes both the fact that the Founders supported free ownership of guns and the fact that they supported some regulations on guns. Both can be true at the same time. It’s easy to trace these facts on your own. Try doing so instead of just calling everything you don’t understand not truthful.

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