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Do you think the new members will be able to integrate seamlessly or will they form their own subset?

Asked by syz (35943points) March 23rd, 2009

I have to say, the Wis.dm expats are asking thoughtful, appropriate questions of a much higher caliber than our usual influxes of new members. But they all seem to know each other really well, almost like a clique. Will they become jellies or will they always be Wis-ers?

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dynamicduo's avatar

Are the Askville people still clumped together?

I came here as an individual and now I feel like a part of Fluther. I’m sure there will be people who stick to their roots as well as those who choose to integrate into full jellihood.

marinelife's avatar

I hope that they will become true Flutherites. They need to adapt to the culture here, which is vastly different. I imagine some will stay and some won’t.

They probably need time to mourn the loss of their social networking home.

I am not worried about them forming a subset since Fluther does not really lend itself to that.

@dynamicduo I feel you a part of us without a doubt—a very wonderful part.

Mr_M's avatar

I’m not sure but I think Askvillers were just insulted?

(I’m talking about the wording of the original question).

Dog's avatar

I think they will make awesome jellies!

dynamicduo's avatar

I didn’t mean to insult them! I was simply asking, as I was not around when their migration happened, or even if they had one.

Likeradar's avatar

I hope they adapt and become good flutherers. :) Some of them seem to be fitting right in, and some seem to be using this as a forum to bitch about fluther and try to change the way things are done here. I’m guessing (and hoping) after a while the ones who don’t like it will fade away.

The_unconservative_one's avatar

@Marina , I will be becoming a part of fluther and embracing the new community. For the most part, I hated wis.dm. I am not particularly sad to see it go. There are many things here which suit my tastes much more. The people who have been kvetching nonstop, are my friends, but they are embarrassing me. We are not all like that.

Dutchess12's avatar

@Marina—We’re trying…it’s tough! It’s just the weirdest feeling to be the “New kid on the block!” And yes, we are in deep mourning, although it was expected…two years is a long time. Watched kids grow up, people getting married, having kids….I actually broke down crying when I went to tell my husband! The strength of the emotion took me by surprise…I kept telling myself I was being silly!

Dutchess12's avatar

@Dog what are “jellies?”

Dog's avatar

@Marina I too can see the grief process and I feel the loss.

They will love it here once they are used to it!

Jellies= Members of Fluther

Harp's avatar

It will be a matter of us getting to know each other as people. They look at avatars of other Wis.dm-ers and know them as people; they look at our avatars and have no sense of the person behind them. That will change with time. I just had an interaction with a wis.dm-er who interpreted my comment in a way that no flutherer would have, simply because she had no feel for what I’m like. I’m sure there’ll be a lot of that for awhile.

That’s always the key: get to know the people. we’re not so different.

EmpressPixie's avatar

There’s still a slight feeling of me for Askville. That line makes no sense, but longer: when I see people from Askville here, I still remember who they were there and think of them a little differently from the other Jellies. It’s not a clique thing, but mostly a having known them longer thing.

I think once the wis.dm-ers settle in, we won’t be able to tell them apart really, but they’ll recognize each other in a nice way. Like, yeah, we did that together.

We’re all jellies.

The_unconservative_one's avatar

Hey Dutchess! I sent you a PM on wis.dm just now.

basp's avatar

I think a lot will depend on how they are received bycurrent flutherers.
At the risk of ostrisism, I will stick my neck out and say that when I came (and still) there has been a definite group of long time members whose circle appears inpenetratable. I suspect those folks don’t view themself that way, but it is clear when one is the outsider.
I’m not trying to bash anyone here…...I think this is typical of groups in general, especially groups who strive to be ‘different’.

fireside's avatar

I didn’t come from anywhere, so my experience is a bit different but, I still hear askvillians (that doesn’t look right) reminiscing about the good old days. For the most part though, they have seamlessly integrated. Look at daloon and laureth, as a couple of examples.

The only difference I see is that it wasn’t so much of a mass migration as it was a gradual one. Everyone will need some time to get to know each other and once the conversations get to be about more personal things and less about formatting differences they will start to feel more at home.

bythebay's avatar

@basp: I know exactly what you’re saying, and I still feel like an outsider sometimes, and I think you’ve been here longer that I. However, I don’t begrudge anyone the friendships or camaraderie they have developed over time. It sounds like the wis.dm-ers also have some very tight friendship bonds; we’ll all acclimate and time will start to fade the differences.

JellyB's avatar

Wis.dm was a really small community and everyone was close, it’s really sad that it will be no more. The type of questions that are allowed here and not is something that we’ll have to get ued to – we often asked lots of inside joke questions and silly nonsense things just for the fun of it, and they made for great and entertaining conversations in those threads! :)
That is what i will miss, if i stay here…

JeanPaulSartre's avatar

I certainly hope to integrate. I’m excited to get some new input as well.

marinelife's avatar

@Mr_M I cannot for the life of me see how there was an insult to Askville in there.

@basp I am sorry you feel that way.

@bythebay You are one of my favorite Flutherers. I can’t imagine that you feel left out.

@JellyB There are inside jokes here too. Hang around; you’ll see.

@all from wis.dm Welcome. Give us time. If we work together, we will rub the rough edges off each other until we fit like a favorite pair of jeans.

The_unconservative_one's avatar

@JeanPaulSartre , glad to see you here. I actually like this much better than wis.dm.

basp's avatar

Bythebay
I don’t begrudge them their friendships either. I just think the oldtimers don’t realize how they come across to the newbies at times. And, again, I’m not trying to pick a fight, I just think this is human nature.

EmpressPixie's avatar

Basp—I agree. While I’ve never felt left out, I think it is very clear that there are strong friendships here that pre-dated me and continue around me (and sometimes with me).

Mr_M's avatar

@Marina , it was meant jokingly. If you want to look at what she said the wrong way, it COULD be interpreted as meaning the Askvillers questions were of low(er) caliber.

forestGeek's avatar

I’ll bet EmpressPixie is right, the wis.dm people will probably always share something that the rest of us will not. Anyone who embraces the change, will likely integrate just fine.

I also feel the same as some others here, as a bit of an outsider here, but I love it here nonetheless and haven’t ever looked at it as a “clique” or anything bad. Hell, at 2345+ lurve, I’m still new here too!! :)

The_unconservative_one's avatar

@Jiminez , Hell no! Would he have a name like the unconservative one?

syz's avatar

@Mr_M I see what you mean, but that wasn’t my intent, I swear! I was thinking more about the various influx of teens asking about trees falling in forests and 1+1.

Mr_M's avatar

@syz, I am sure it was NOT what you intended. As I said, I was joking. Sorry.

jbfletcherfan's avatar

I’ve been here a while & I still feel like I’m on the outside looking in. I especially enjoy it when I can connect with an AV’er. Some fluther veterans try to make us transplanted members feel welcome, but I STILL don’t feel the connection here that I did over there. Only one member here (a man) has really made the effort. As far as a friendly woman here, Jonsblonde is at the top of my list.

tiffyandthewall's avatar

i think they’ll be fine. i didn’t come here from a different community, but i think that it’s like anything, where a group of new people come in. of course they’re going to already have friends from their old home, but most people can come to accept a different place as their new home, and manage to make new friends too, etc.

welcome, new folks (:

bythebay's avatar

hurt and crushed that @jbfletcherfan loves Jonsblonde more, crying quietly…just for a minute

jbfletcherfan's avatar

@bythebay Hey, you’re #2. Wanna go to lunch? ;-)

bythebay's avatar

@jbfletcherfan: You bet I do! Should we take cprevite along?

bythebay's avatar

Hey @jbfletcherfan, you have to drive because your car is cleaner!

cookieman's avatar

I think in due time those that stay will make the most jovial of jellies, the most fantastic of Flutherers. They’ll help complete the collective.

The more the merrier. A chance to make new friends, learn new things.

They will soon assimilate.

and those that don’t…we’ll kill in their sleep

Wha?...did I just say that out loud?

AstroChuck's avatar

As long as they buy the doughnuts for awhile, I think they’ll fit in fine.
Making a few pancakes couldn’t hurt, either.

miasmom's avatar

I used to be a newbie, but I never came from another site. I do remember a discussion about fluther etiquette and I thought spelling and grammer were silly (is that how you spell grammer? It looks funny.)...anyway, I’ve learned to appreciate answers that are well written and try to do the same with mine, I guess I’ve assimilated myself. ;)

JellyB's avatar

@Marina Well, a friend of mine tried to ask a few light hearted questions, and 4 out of 6 of them were rejected… the very thing we often enjoyed there it seems we’re not allowed to do here. Not that it’s your problem…just saying. :)

fireside's avatar

Maybe a better question is what makes someone feel at home.
I think I’ll ask.

forestGeek's avatar

Mmmm, pancakes!!

jbfletcherfan's avatar

Sure, he can come along. He’s another one who’s been good to me here. And I’d be happy to drive. My car is only 3 months old, so yeah, it’s clean. ;-)

fireside's avatar

@JellyB – Too many questions degrades the quality of the site. I cleared out all my questions and activity last night and when I woke up, I had another 28 questions for me.

All that means is that I either can’t get to the questions that may interest me, or I will answer them in a half-assed way and maybe miss out on the ensuing conversation. All that seems like it will do is drive people away or segment them.

Does anyone know why Wis.dm is shutting down?
I heard it was because people stopped coming to the site.
Why does anyone think people stopped coming?
Since I haven’t been, I don’t have any ideas about that answer.

Dog's avatar

Did I hear lunch?

bythebay's avatar

C’mon Dog, we have room for you, too!

Dog's avatar

can I hang my head out the window?

bythebay's avatar

Yes, but then jb will make you wash your spit off the side of the car.

jbfletcherfan's avatar

@bythebay LOL, boy, that’s the truth! My car’s white & it’d sure show that dog slobber!

casheroo's avatar

I think some will integrate, and others will not…because they keep making rude comments about fluther.

dynamicduo's avatar

This is true. They seem to also like holding grudges against us when we try to help them out.

Mr_M's avatar

If they “play” around with lurve (as in “give more to their friends”) they might alienate the collective.

Likeradar's avatar

Yeah. I’m already a little tired of the “but on ws.dm…” You’re not on ws.dm anymore. I feel like the vast majority of people on Fluther are being very nice, helpful, and welcoming but what many people seem to be expecting is a chat-room situation for ws.dmers and for this to become ws.dm 2.0 (as someone else said). Kinda alienating.

Allie's avatar

Out of all the people who joined, I see only two former wis.dmers on here. Interesting.
Seriously though, welcome. Hope you like it here.

SuperMouse's avatar

So far I think the wis.dm folks, like the Askvillians before them, are fitting in very well. Even when I first joined the site it didn’t feel clickish to me. I got kind welcomes from among others, Gail, Marina, and SusanC, three much loved and well respected Flutherers! I apologize for the lack of a warmer welcome to those who haven’t felt embraced! I for one am glad for every single member of the collective.

Then again I miss JackAdams so what do I know?

Apologies to the mods, I couldn’t resist and inside joke, mod me if you must!

cak's avatar

It just takes time. When I started here, honestly, I just felt like I didn’t fit in. It can be like that anywhere, though. You come to a place where people are already established, friendships are strong and you’re the newbie. It takes to feel comfortable for some people.

I remember a similar question like this, about people that came over from Askville. It stung a bit, and a few decided not to come back because of the question.

You gotta remember, if you go to a party where there are a bunch of strangers, and then you see three friends – where do you go? To your friends. It’s the same as starting at a new social site.

It just takes time.

Likeradar's avatar

if you go to a party where there are a bunch of strangers, and then you see three friends – where do you go? To your friends Excellent point, @cak .
However, if I’m at that party and complain about how much it sucks, and how the people are mean, and how the beer at my party was soooo much better, I’m certainly not going to wonder why people aren’t being more welcoming…

I’m glad the majority of the new jellies are checking out the scene and trying to figure out how things are done here.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

I know some people here from Askville, and one of them I disliked over there, but i like them here much better. I think it has to do with the different environment. Askville had its perks, but it wasn’t anything like Fluther.

I just recently found out I’ve been mispronouncing Fluther all this time. I thought it was pronounced ‘flutthther’ (like Sylvester the Cat might say it) and after watching the link someone posted abut this site being the best out of five others, I find out it is pronounced ‘fluther’ like brother’. I’m so embarrassed.

marinelife's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra I say Fluther, you say flutthther—let’s just ask and answer questions. No harm, no foul and definitely no embarrassment called for.

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