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Do you believe that everyone in the world is a Cynic...whether intentional or not?

Asked by Jferrato7 (195points) September 16th, 2009

Just curious on how everyone feels about the thought that there are Unselfish motivated acts…or If everyone out there is a Cynic?

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Zen's avatar

Yup.
I’m first (both here, and as a cynic.)

Am I proud of it. Nope.

dpworkin's avatar

Nah, there is always a Candide for every Pangloss.

Zen's avatar

@pdworkin Good one. Bravo.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I don’t think everyone is an automatic cynic, not at all…nor do I think that it’s either one is a cynic or one is capable of unselfish acts..I, for one, am a cynic that does unselfish acts

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

I don’t know if I’m really a cynic or that I just don’t give a shit.

DominicX's avatar

I’m not a cynic and plenty of acts are unselfish. Of course, there are ways of defining “selfish” so that anything you do is “selfish”. That, however, is more a linguistics problem than a problem of cynicism and human action.

Jferrato7's avatar

Yea but say you give money to charity…or a homless person…etc. At the end of the day you still did it for yourself…Yes you wanted to help that person/charity, but you did it becasue it made you feel better, made you feel like you did something to help, gave you a sense of accomplishment. Wouldnt that still justify you as a cynic?

Zen's avatar

Semantics, not linguistics.

Jferrato7's avatar

@zen I was just gonna say that

DominicX's avatar

@Zen

Semantics is a branch of linguistics, just like morphology, syntax, etc. I would know; I’m majoring in linguistics.

@Jferrato7

That’s an effect of doing a selfless act. Cynicism is about what motivates actions. How do you know that the benefit to me is what motivated me to donate to charity? You said “you did it because it made you feel better”. That’s an assumption. It might have made me feel good, but that isn’t necessarily why I did it in the first place.

Jferrato7's avatar

I understand….you can technically look at every thing as selfish…but to me I think there are rare forms of unselfish acts. Saving someones life when no one is watching for instance. Your putting your own life and basically doing something that can potentially harm you aside….to help save a life of another.

Jferrato7's avatar

@DominicX So then assuming you did do that…What would be your reason for classifying it as an unselfish motivation?

augustlan's avatar

No. I think thinking that everyone is a cynic is very cynical. Seriously.

Jferrato7's avatar

@DominicX And understanding that it is an effect of doing the act…but wouldn’t that be the same thing anyways? Wouldnt your motivation for doing the act be toreap the benefit or “effects” of the thing that your doing?

DominicX's avatar

@Jferrato7

Not necessarily. You can still understand that’s what’s going to happen and still do the act to help someone else and think of the effect as simply an added bonus. You can’t know someone’s true motivation unless you’re actually inside that person’s head.

Jferrato7's avatar

@DominicX I sure wish I could though! Haha

Adagio's avatar

I think it’s pretty hard to live in this world without becoming cynical to some degree or another. Unless of course your name is Pollyanna

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@Adagio especially if you are over 30.

DominicX's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra

This is probably totally going to happen to me when I get older…I hope not!!

Adagio's avatar

To my way of thinking a degree of cynicism is healthy.

The_Compassionate_Heretic's avatar

Only a cynical person would think everyone was a cynic.

augustlan's avatar

I’m 42. Just sayin’.

Adagio's avatar

@The_Compassionate_Heretic Perhaps? Perhaps not…

@augustlan Yeah, maybe it’s a 40s thing

jonsblond's avatar

No. But when you live with one it’s kind of hard to ignore.

standardtoaster's avatar

whether or not an act is actually unselfish or not is irrelevant to the matter of being a cynic.

cynicism is an active state of mind whereas as psychological egoism (nothing existing as entirely unselfish) is an unconscious process. a person who is not necessarily a cynic can still carry out selfish acts, and not be considered a cynic in doing so, as they are completely unrelated subjects.

essentially you have to try to be a cynic and be self-aware of your own cynicism.

rooeytoo's avatar

I am a total cynic, always have been, so I am not sure age is a factor. And of course, there is always the debate as to whether it is cynicism or realism.

I read somewhere “Cynic is what an idealist calls a realist.”

It does seem though that the younger ones are more idealistic and I assume that is simply because they have not yet experienced how difficult it is to change anything. Beating one’s head against a brick wall tends to change the way we think.

I don’t think there is necessarily a correlation between cynicism and unselfish acts. I often do things that are unselfish and charitable. I don’t think I do them to make myself feel good, I do them because that is the way humans should act towards each other and non human creatures as well.

CMaz's avatar

Yes. Life does that to you.
Being a Cynic is not a bad thing. I see it as wisdom, sort of a defense mechanism.
Knowing what it IS really like then what your fluffy dreams wanted you to believe.

wundayatta's avatar

“Scratch a cynic and you’ll find an idealist.” Something like that.

Idealists have such great hopes for the world. They believe that people are essentially good, and that people all want what’s best for all of us.

Then they run into selfish, myopic people, and find that they can’t convince those people to look at people as essentially good. They become cynical.

I don’t think altruism is a sign of lack of selfishness. Quite the opposite. I think it’s a sign of enlightened selfishness. It shows an understanding of how we are all related. So, given that we’re all selfish, the issue becomes one of deciding who exhibits enlightened selfishness, and who exhibits very “what have you done for me lately” selfishness.

I think we are cynics to the degree we believe that that more or fewer people exhibit enlightened selfishness. If we believe there are few such people, we’re much more cynical. If we believe that a majority of people exhibit enlightened selfishness, we are less cynical.

Adagio's avatar

@rooeytoo I completely agree, cynicism and unselfish acts are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Why need they be? To think they are presupposes that all cynics are selfish, does it not? I lean very heavily towards cynicism to be truthful, I’ve actually fallen on to that side of the fence myself but am quite capable of and often do perform unselfish acts. A cynic might also be called a realist (your sentiments in my words) , yes Yes YES!

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

I don’t believe everyone is a cynic but I also don’t believe in a pure state of benevolence or altruism either unless you’re a pampered monk in a mountain retreat somewhere.

Beta_Orionis's avatar

By not being a cynic, I can disprove this claim immediately. There are definitely unselfish acts.

Zuma's avatar

The first cynic was Diogenes Laertius, whom, as you may recall, was the philosopher with the lantern, perpetually looking for an honest man and never finding any. A cynic is neither a selfish person nor a realist; a cynic simply sees and believes the worst in people. Diogenes was exiled from Athens because his father, who had been in charge of the currency used his position to debase it. In exile, Diogenes made his way to Delphi, where he met all manner of men puffed up with wealth and pride seeking favor from the gods. And, it was there, it is believed, that he be became an apt pupil of human nature, especially hypocrisy and pretension.

Later, he lived on the outskirts of Athens under an old wash tub. He was reduced to begging and would fawn over those who gave to him, and he would hurl biting insults at the character of those who did not. His contemporaries (notably Plato) thought that he led a dog’s life, and called him a Cynic, after Cynos, the Greek word for dog. Once somebody threw him some bones as though he were a dog, and he promptly urinated on the man’s leg. When reproached for his habit of masturbating in the town market, he would say, “If only my belly were as easily satisfied.”

Later he was captured by pirates and sold into slavery, and managed to convince the slave seller to sell him to a wealthy but insecure and not too bright man of Corinth. Even though he was nominally a slave, he was able through, cunning, flattery and sheer ability to gain complete control over the man’s household, where he lived until he died at the age of 90. Always the shrewd judge of character and pretension, he once stood next to Alexander the Great, who asked him “Do you not fear me?” Diogenes asked him “Are you not a good man?” To which, Alexander replied “Yes.” “Then I have nothing to fear from a good man.”

The reason a cynic is not realistic is not because people put up a front of being good but are “really” driven by baser motives, such as pride and an eagerness to be thought well of, it is because the reality of goodness depends on the face of goodness not being called into question. Had Diogenes grievously insulted Alexander and caused him to kill him, he might have proven that Alexander was not so great, that he was in fact a small petty man ruled by his passions. Being thought good may have been a pretension of Alexander’s but it was also what saved Diogenes’s skin from whatever insolence prompted Alexander’s question. Thus, being a “realist’ entails knowing when not to question the goodness of other people’s motives.

veronasgirl's avatar

We are all cynical about something, whether we want to admit it or not

ABoyNamedBoobs03's avatar

The notion that I’m not a cynic really makes me angry.

cbloom8's avatar

No, but there are quite a few, especially in America.

Zuma's avatar

Cynicism is a kind of spiritual disease, insofar as dwelling on the worst in people inclines one toward bad faith.

rooeytoo's avatar

I think cynicism is healthy. Hundreds of Australians just lost a lot of money because they were not cynical about a get rich fast and easy investment group.

Zuma's avatar

@rooeytoo I think you may be confusing cynicism, which is a worldview, with the healthy skepticism of one who prefers not to be gullible.

rooeytoo's avatar

@zuma -It is interesting, it depends on which dictionary you use. The one that comes in the Mac gives 3, the first of which a person who believes that people are motivated only by self interest rather than acting for honorable reasons. The second is a person who questions whether something will happen or whether it is worthwhile.

So what you say may be correct if one is speaking in the context of definition #1, I think of it in the context of #2.

In my mind it has nothing to do with selfishness, it is more the idealist vs realist.

MrBr00ks's avatar

No, the drum inside our heads beats differently for all of us.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Zuma I’m a cynic but I dont think I dwell on the worst – I just know that people have the worst in them and to ignore it is to be stupid

Jferrato7's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir I also agree with that…People are inherently bad in nature…

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Jferrato7 well I don’t think people are inherently anything other than in need of food and air and water, but I certainly don’t think people are all good

Jferrato7's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir Haha ok well I guess im a little more left sided then…but on the same page

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Jferrato7 you got it, nice to see you nex to me, :)

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