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MEN: is it common practice to try to keep the one you really want around while you "sow your wild oats?"?

Asked by Shegrin (1187points) September 24th, 2009

My best friend sends mixed signals almost hourly (only slightly exaggerating) and I’ve demanded an answer from him about our situation. He says he would rather keep me around for a long time and be intimate later than to “love ‘em and leave ‘em,” as he is currently so fond of doing. He’s worth the wait, but not if he’s thinking years down the road. What is he really trying to say?

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cyndyh's avatar

He wants to have his cake and eat it, too. The ball’s in your court. Don’t keep leaving it up to him. It’s your decision now.

marinelife's avatar

Ewwww! He is saying that he is a sleaze.

So, let me get this straight:

1. He goes around having sex with a large variety of other women.

2. He says he cares for you, but does not want to be intimate with you now, because he knows it wouldn’t last.

3. He wants you to wait around, presumably celibate, while he takes whatever time to decide he’s ready for you.

Are you nuts? Don’t you value yourself more than this guy values you? I do!

Take the veil from your eyes and see the real truth:

1. Your supposed best friend knows you love him, but does not care that you know he is having sex with a lot of other women.

2. Your supposed best friend doesn’t want you to sleep with anyone else, but doesn’t care for you enough to sleep with you and only you.

3. You’re supposed to wait around until some mythical “someday” when his character and integrity will miraculously repair themselves and he will arrive all loving and loyal and hot for you.

Can I sell you some real estate?

Please, please, please stop focusing on what he wants and think about what you want. If it is a guy that cares for you and wants to be with you, then look elsewhere. this guy is not it. He is not even a good friend, much less a good candidate for a potential love interest.

cookieman's avatar

Tell him what you expect from the relationship and that he knows where to find you should he ever decide to grow up and settle down. Of course, there’s no guarentee you’ll still be available (or interested) when/if that day finally comes.

In the meantime, move on with your life.

And no, most guys don’t do this – only the immature ones.

aprilsimnel's avatar

@Marina – I totally CO-SIGN!

@Shegrin, honey, cut bait. That man doesn’t want you, he just wants the power you’re giving him to mess with your head. Don’t help him hurt you.

Shegrin's avatar

@cprevite: Thanks. I suspected as much.

drdoombot's avatar

Wow, he actually admitted that to you? I know tons of guys who do that, but they’re usually smart enough to keep it to themselves.

In any case, you should say the exact same thing back to him: You’re not ready for him just yet, because you’re going out and having fun with other guys. You’d like to keep him around, because maybe somewhere down the road…

Shegrin's avatar

@drdoombot: Wow! That would absolutely send him over the edge. I’m gonna go do that right now! Thanks.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

you’re being used. never let someone become your priority when you’re only their option. or something to that effect. it’s a good quote.

aprilsimnel's avatar

@drdoombot – I suspect this guy wouldn’t care as much should she say this back to him. It’s a George Costanza-like “hand” play at this point. Whoever cares more has less hand.

rebbel's avatar

“he would rather keep me around for a long time” to me sounds that you are number Z in his red booty-call book.
If he really would want to be with you (after his wild years), in other words, if he really cares for you, then why is he not interested in being intimate with you at this moment?
I don’t get it.
In my opinion this guy should not be in your book anymore.

Shegrin's avatar

You guys are great. Thanks for your help, Flutherians!

dpworkin's avatar

I think you could reframe the question like this: Is it common practice to betray and hurt the person you love so that you can indulge in selfish, narcissistic behavior? Gee, I don’t know. What do you think?

RareDenver's avatar

He sounds like he has some growing up to do, it’s not a bad thing, most people in their 20’s can act like asshole’s from time to time, I know I did.

Judi's avatar

When my husband and I first started dating he was struggling with his feelings. He actually had the nerve to say, “I want to continue dating other people but I don’t think I want you to. ” I laughed at him and said that he had some nerve! I told him that I would cottinue dating other people until he was ready to be exclusive.
A few weeks later he called me and I was in a hurry to get off the phone. He asked, “What, do you have a hot date?”
I answered, “As a matter of fact I do.”
the next day we went to lunch and he told me he was ready to date exclusively.

shortysith's avatar

@Judi is right. Sometimes guys dont’ really know what they want until they can’t have it anymore. He sounds like he doesn’t know what he wants, but knows you are a good thing. I say you don’t need to wait around for him. Go out with other guys, have fun! You are young! It may be what finally makes him realize he doesn’t want to date a bunch of other women, only you. Or you may discover that someone else may be better for you than someone who can’t see how wonderful you are right now and doesn’t put you on the back burner. Good luck!

wundayatta's avatar

Are these his words or yours? ”He says he would rather keep me around for a long time and be intimate later than to “love ‘em and leave ‘em,” as he is currently so fond of doing.

I don’t know what “keep you around” might mean. You call him your best friend, yet the relationship seems so unequal. Maybe that’s because you want a more intimate relationship and he doesn’t. It seems like he doesn’t want to lose your friendship. And he’s being honest about what he does want.

The problem is that you want different things. He may or may not ever want to be intimate with you, but clearly he doesn’t want to treat you as he does his other hook-ups. The question is, can he ever settle down, or is that how he sees women—as saints or whores? As sex objects or objects of adoration?

If he’s your best friend, you may want to consider leaving it at that. I’m not sure I’d “wait” for him to “sow his wild oats.” Be friends. Find someone else to get intimate with. If that’s what you want. Otherwise have fun with him but as friends, not as potential lovers.

I wonder how well you know him, though. What do you think his attitudes towards women are? How did he become your “best friend?” Does he tell you about his little affairs? Does he hide that from you? Or just keep the details to himself?

He may also not be attracted to you that way, and just be putting you off nicely. I don’t know, it sounds like there are some unspoken or miscommunicated feelings here. If he’s really your best friend, I think you should have a frank discussion with him. Don’t put him on the spot, but express your feelings and desires, and ask him if there is any chance for you. Ask him to be honest about it. Let him know if his other conquests bother you.

It’s not a good sign that you are asking a bunch of strangers to interpret his behavior for you. He’s the only one you should be talking to. Trust your gut here. If you don’t like what he’s doing, then that’s the story, and if you want to do something about it, you have to talk to him. My guess is that you believe you know what he’s doing and you don’t like being treated like that. It doesn’t matter what he thinks. What matters is what you want. It matters if you trust him.

Deal with those things—which means talking openly about all of it—and your course of action will become clearer. If you’re afraid—like you might lose him—then you have to decide if openness is worth the possibility of losing him. If you’re more afraid of losing him than having what you want—that’s an issue of self-esteem, and something else you may want to work on.

When I was in my twenties, I had a few long term lovers, and for the most part, I told them explicitly that I didn’t want to promise exclusivity. I suppose that meant I wasn’t really completely fulfilled in my relationship with them, but at the time, I wasn’t sure any one relationship could be completely fulfilling. I suspected that it wasn’t.

Later on I met someone I was willing to commit to. When I look back on those other relationships, I think I was right not to promise exclusivity. I didn’t know what I was doing, and I wasn’t ready for that. In addition, I doubt if it would have been a good idea to marry those women. We surely would have ended up divorced.

I did have a problem with one woman who decided that if I was not exclusive, then she shouldn’t be either. I think she went a little overboard, because she picked up a stranger at a party for a one-time thing. My relationships were deeper than that. I always believed that I cared deeply about the people I slept with. I had a thing about believing that love was involved, and that I could love more than one person at once.

In any case, after she did that, we both had some seriously bad feelings, and had a fight I am very ashamed about. We decided to be exclusive after that, and I believe we were until we broke up.

For me, that was all about learning about relationships. What did I know? Not much. We had nothing to attach us to the community except for feelings. No property. No children. No real ties to the community. We were just there.

I was not ready to be committed to anyone until I was thirty, I think. I really didn’t understand the full implications of things in relationships until I was past thirty. I’ve been learning since then, but it seems to take me a long time to figure things out. I’ve always been a slow developer.

I like that your guy seems to be being honest. I don’t know how much insight he has into his own personality. My guess is that if he is doing this, then he really isn’t ready for a committed relationship, and if that’s what you want, he’s not the guy. Whether you want to wait for him to mature or not is up to you. You don’t have to look, but you can be open to other possibilities if they show up. However, I don’t think you should feel any more beholden to him than he does to you.

It might be better just to be friends, and leave it at that. You’ll have to find a way to deal with your feelings, and it may be that you have to stop the friendship in order to go on. It might be too painful to be friends with him. If that’s the case, then it’s probably better if you put yourself first. It’s your life. You should figure out what you want as best you can, and then go for it. You won’t always get what you want, but if you know, you’ll be able to avoid waiting for things when that waiting will cost you too much.

charliecompany34's avatar

i am not answering this.

dpworkin's avatar

Too late.

PandoraBoxx's avatar

@Marina, Amen, sister!!!

Zen_Again's avatar

No, but it’s commonly thought to be the ideal situation.

Joybird's avatar

This is called “dating”. In Europe people date many persons until they decide to form a commitment with one person. In America we think that we are owed a commitment from anyone we have seen casually half a dozen times. It’s crap to pejoratize someone who would prefer to date others until they are ready to commit to one person. This IS how dating should be done. If it was done this way and women were also penalized for attempting to force the issue by becoming pregnant…then people might find they picked their partners with a lot more knowledge and a lot less societal force.
The problem in America is that women have sex with men they are dating and assume this means that they are entitled to a commitment. They aren’t.

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