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Do you consider bachelor and bachelorette parties with strippers cheating?

Asked by bigboss (990points) January 27th, 2010

do you believe that having these parties with naked strippers dancing all over your fiance to be wrong? why or why not?

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Sophief's avatar

Yes to me it’s cheating.I wouldn’t like it, and I wouldn’t want it for me either.

augustlan's avatar

No.

Edit: I forgot to say why I don’t consider it cheating. I actually have no issue with men watching strippers, or even getting a lap dance. It’s entertainment. (Raunchy entertainment, to be sure, but still.) Now, if there were actual sex acts performed, that would be cheating (unless the SO has consented to that).

Dan_DeColumna's avatar

Is it consenting? Are both parties fully informed and accept this arrangement?

TheJoker's avatar

No, I dont count it as cheating. However, I’d rather my other half wasn’t having some greased-up blokes wang being slapped about her face.

Sophief's avatar

@TheJoker Such a nice way to put it! Other half?! You’ll have to slap yours around her face first then.

Jewel's avatar

No. If there is no touching beyond light teasing avoiding the genitals, and no emotional involvement, then, as augustinian says, it is entertainment. Not an affair..

TheJoker's avatar

@Dibley…. Hahahaha, & you were just denying that you’re a rascal too :) & how would you term it? girlfriend, partner… there are too many options now so I tend to stick with the oldies.

gemiwing's avatar

Would I jump for joy if Hubbs wanted to go have some random girl’s breasts shoved in his face? No.

Would I accuse him of cheating because of it? Nope.

bigboss's avatar

i guess today’s mentality is different from previous generations. everyone is a free spirit now… i hate the idea of reading my vows to a woman that the previous night had a sweaty muscly dude shaking his man parts all around and picking her up and spining her around like a kite.

if you feel the need to party and have strippers than dont get married!!!

Jewel's avatar

@bigboss I am 57. But I know that I would never consider watching a stripper any threat to a relationship! It is almost equal to holding the neighbors baby meaning I prefer it to my own sweet children.
BTW, I don’t like strippers. Of any sex. I can’t see the point of it since I equate sex with love, and so they aren’t sexy to me because I don’t love them. But just because I don’t ‘get it’ doesn’t mean it is wrong. And just because someone does find titillation in strippers doesn’t mean they are cheating.

Facade's avatar

Yes. The whole notion of having one last night of “freedom” is disgusting.

essieness's avatar

Do I have a problem with some unattainable girl rubbing all over my man, giving him a boner that needs attention, and then sending him home to me to finish up the job? Hell no I don’t mind! Unless he has sex with her, obviously.

stranger_in_a_strange_land's avatar

I’m glad that I was never subjected to that. I would have been horribly embarassed and considered it a form of “forced cheating”. Most likely I would have ruined the whole evening by leaving. Fortunately I had no friends who thought along those lines (most of our mutual friends are lesbian or gay).

Kokoro's avatar

Yes, I do. First of all – I have heard of women who are completely fine with it, and they call it “being secure.” I think it’s rubbish. The way women are thrown onto men for entertainment (and it can be said the other way around too, though it’s more uncommon) is quite offensive and it has always been. Humans are not objects or toys to gander and play with.

Second – even if there is no physical touching involved, it would still be cheating – as it is cheating with the heart. If you are admiring any other woman in any other way (even if it’s purely sexual and nothing more) it’s not an excuse. Call it “needing to satisfy a male or female’s need” is a ridiculous excuse and those are the words of people who do not want to take responsibility for themselves.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

No, I consider them dumb.

FrankHebusSmith's avatar

I do not consider it cheating, but have my own personal rules about it. It shouldn’t be considered cheating so long as both partners agree it’s not (as with anything), and for added safety any couples that might allow this should probably lay out the ground rules.

I wouldn’t mind my g/f going to a strip club so long as the strippers junk didn’t touch any non-clothing covered part of her, no sexual contact of any kind (including grinding, ESPECIALLY with a naked guy), her own privates were kept concealed.

I would follow the same guidelines (tho I might argue that boobs and face should be allowed to touch… but I wouldn’t be upset/disagree if she wasn’t cool with it).

It’s all opinion and what couples are comfortable with.

Kokoro's avatar

Good point @westy81585… all couples are different, what one couple may be fine with may be unacceptable with another.

dalepetrie's avatar

Only if you fuck the stripper.

Morgan1's avatar

Yes…enough said.

dalepetrie's avatar

@Kokoro – by your definition, watching porn, or even just noticing someone’s physical beauty, or being inadvertently aroused by the image of another person would be infidelity. I don’t think it has to do with women deluding themselves thinking they’re “secure”, I think it has to do with human nature. Humans are hard wired to respond to sexual stimuli. Fidelity is about making a commitment to someone not to ACT on that baser instinct with anyone BUT your partner. If external turn ons didn’t exist once a person were married, there would be no such thing as infidelity. Faithfulness implies acting in good faith, honoring one’s commitments. You simply can not commit to denying your human instincts, if you think you have made such a commitment, you are lying to yourself.

Kokoro's avatar

@dalepetrie I understand that you and many people believe that being turned on by other people is a natural human instinct, but I myself am not that way. I may be a black sheep in this world – but when I’m in a relationship I do not even allow myself to be turned on by anyone else, I couldn’t even do that if I tried. It’s like a switch that goes off. Sure I can notice other good looking people, but it’s not in a lustful or “Wow! They’re gorgeous!” way. It’s just, “Oh,” and then I forget the person in the next few minutes. I know it may seem impossible for people to not be run by their sexual desires, but with me it’s simple. I don’t know why. If you want to talk about porn, then that’s a whole ‘nother topic for me…

hungryhungryhortence's avatar

I don’t consider it cheating but I do consider it disrespectful if you’ve a partner and they don’t like the idea or don’t know about your want for that kind of attention. My perspective is this: if you crave for someone else than your partner to sexually excite you then you don’t need to be with your partner. I would be deeply hurt if my guy wanted some other woman to tease him into excitement and erection because I want him to want that from me. His behavior would tell me I don’t do it for him and I would first be crushed then be contemplating wanting a different man who’d find me sexually gratifying enough to not want for others. Same for women, if you need someone other than your partner to sexually titillate you then your partner isn’t the right fit.

FrankHebusSmith's avatar

@hungryhungryhortence It’s not so much a “need” to have someone else do it (at least not for all of us). It’s more of a want. Boys are stupid, we have fun like that. I mean…. I like to see naked girls, period. Regardless of them being my g/f. Now obviously I don’t mean i’m going around peeping in windows or hitting up strip clubs or something. But I do enjoy seeing girls naked…. But that doesn’t take ANYTHING away from wanting/needing to see my own g/f, or wanting/needing to be intimate with her. And it DEFINITELY doesn’t mean she isn’t gratifying enough.

Multiple g/fs of my past, or female friends in general, are turned on by looking at shirtless famous people or what have you. I remember one x g/f of mine would visit often, and acrossed the street lived the star linebacker on our football team (at OSU). He used to sit outside shirtless tanning… and the guy was probably 240 pounds of muscle. She would stare at him… My female room mate would stare at him… Any girl in a 5 mile radius would stare at him. The only difference between this and a guy going to look at a naked girl is that girls aren’t often simply turned on by a naked guy… whereas guys most definitely are turned on by a naked girl.

faye's avatar

GA @Kokoro It’s how I feel, too. What ever happened to cherishing?

bigboss's avatar

@essieness unattainable? a couple dollars can ATTAIN ANYTHING you want…

dalepetrie's avatar

The problem I have is that I agree you shouldn’t “need” titillation from another person. I do think that if your partner has a problem with you viewing people of the opposite sex nude be it live, on video or in a magazine, then it IS disrespectful to do it anyway. But I find that to be a far cry from “cheating”. That is unless the terms of what you have agreed to include “I will not look at other people naked.” If you make that agreement and break it, you are cheating. but I don’t feel that becoming sexually aroused by viewing something that should be a turn on to you as a human being, be it intentional or unintentional is the same as cheating. Cheating is “not playing by the rules”, and unless you set up rules that say “what is normal human sexual response is to be repressed” then it doesn’t meet the definition of “cheating”. I believe you can “repress” anything, but I think “not being run by your sexual desires” is a completely different thing from not even having them. Even you, @Kokoro say, “when I’m in a relationship I do not even allow myself to be turned on by anyone else”...you say it’s like a switch, that just turns off, but you’re basically saying you’re not allowing yourself to “go there”. It seems to me that by saying you forget about it after a few minutes, you’re saying much the same thing that I am…it’s not as if you no longer possess a natural human sexual response, you simply choose to repress it when you notice it.

It seems to me the only difference then between someone who represses the urges to ACT on one’s natural human desires, and someone who represses the actual thought process which occurs when one’s natural sexual response is activated is somewhat academic. It seems to me that if neither you nor your significant other believes that intellectually acknowledging one’s instincts is not the same as putting one’s instincts into action, then one is still playing by the rules if one watches strippers at one’s bachelor(ette) party as it’s not breaking the rules.

In short, it’s cheating if your SO thinks it’s cheating. So if you were dating @Dibley, @bigboss, @Kokoro, @stranger_in_a_strange_land, @faye, @Facade, @Morgan1 or @hungryhungryhortence, then it WOULD be cheating, but if you were dating me, @augustlan, @TheJoker, @gemiwing, @Jewel, @essieness, @Simone_De_Beauvoir, or @jonsblond, then it would NOT be cheating, because for the former group it would breaking the established rules but for the later it would not, and cheating = breaking rules, that’s the definition.

Jewel's avatar

@dalepetrie, Excellent reply.
Yes, “Cheating is “not playing by the rules”.”
That says it all.

Kokoro's avatar

@dalepetrie Ah… I understand your point now. GA.

bigboss's avatar

ah this is very true. its only cheating depending on who your actually dating becuase some may be ok with it while others may have a problem with it.

augustlan's avatar

Once again, @dalepetrie says it best. :)

Zen_Again's avatar

Party at @augustlan‘s this Friday night. Come all ye cheaters.

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