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Soccer question: Why did Germany beat England 4:1?

Asked by mattbrowne (31458 points ) June 28th, 2010

The second goal of England didn’t count. This was extremely unfair. Every fan in England is upset. And rightfully so. But would it have made a difference? I’m not sure. Here’s my explanation why England lost:

Germany has built a team and there was a lot of team spirit. England has got a collection of stars.

What’s your opinion?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story?id=803033&cc=5739&ver=global

“A few days ago, Germany’s assistant coach Hans-Dieter Flick said the Australia game had proven that the side can play excellent combination football. The Serbia game, he added, had proven that the side has excellent morale and team-spirit. The Ghana game, he concluded, had proven that the side has excellent nerves and confidence. Against England, Germany displayed each of these qualities while their opponent lacked them all. Thus the eventual outcome and even the shocking scoreline are perfectly okay.”

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ragingloli's avatar

I suppose that disallowed goal was revenge for 1966.
But even with that goal, they would have lost, because their team was bad, especially the defence. The last 2 goals happened because their defence was virtually non existant during the counter attacks.

bob_'s avatar

The second goal wasn’t, actually :)

In all seriousness, Germany won because it was a better team. England didn’t play a single good game in the 4 matches they had, so now they’re out. They won’t be missed.

DarlingRhadamanthus's avatar

England lost to Germany because it has a team of prima donnas who have salaries of some small third-world countries. There is no “team spirit”...why should there be? They are not “hungry enough” to want to win. They have no motivation because they already have everything. Winning a World Cup, perhaps even national pride (which you aren’t allowed to have in Britain unless it is the World Cup) isn’t enough to motivate them.

The South Americans..and even Mexico before it was gouged in the eye by the referees…have passion for the game. They aren’t given the astronomical salaries and while some of the stars may be treated like royalty in their countries, they somehow still know it could all be gone tomorrow.

English players are spoiled and just don’t want it enough. There is no need when they have everything already handed to them on a plate. If you were to tell them, “Listen, your contracts will depend on how well you play, ” there would have been a very, very different game. “No play, no pay!” Now, that might have gotten them moving! But the play is astronomical…think about this….USA;s Donovan earns $40,000 a year. How much does Wayne Rooney earn? Who might feel they need to work harder to stay on the team? Case closed.

I was disappointed that England lost…but I also felt that they weren’t even really there.

ucme's avatar

We lost essentially because we’re not good enough at international level, pure & simple.Now there are a myriad of reasons for this & excuses can & will be made, but the primary factor is an extremely serious one.Which in my opinion will take years to even consider qualifying for major tournaments, let alone hope to compete on an even keel.The issue is this, in the Premier league the players, especially for the best teams, are largely foreign imports.The young academy home grown players rarely get a look in.Indeed no manager would risk blooding them in the first team for fear of losing a couple of games & as is the nature of the beast, no doubt losing their job as a consequence.Result, young English players are practically frozen out of experiencing top level football, rather languishing in the reserve teams. The pool is dry & only radical change at grass roots level will see the national teams fortunes improve.Still never mind, there’s always next time!

rebbel's avatar

@DarlingRhadamanthus How much does Wayne Rooney earn?
Rooney’s earnings: € 6,000,000 (Annual), € 500,000 (Monthly), £ 110,000 (Weekly)
Top ten highest salaries as per June, 2009.

zenele's avatar

Why did the German team win? It was better than the sucky English team.

More importantly, why did Holland win again? Because they are awesome and going to win this World Cup!!!

Accepting bets in lurve – PM me.

talljasperman's avatar

because they got more goals?

DeanV's avatar

@zenele Eh, Brazil’s going to take down Holland next round…

rebbel's avatar

@dverhey
Wash your mouth.~

DeanV's avatar

@rebbel I don’t want it to happen either, but damn, Brazil’s on a roll.

mammal's avatar

Just goes to show, unless England can expolit the advantages of technology, brute force and sneakiness, they don’t really conquer anything. They have the means to indulge every conceivable fetish money can buy, they are decadent, unimaginative, individualistic and disinterested, in contradistinction to teams like, Nigeria, Japan and Argentina. Who cares if England are out of the world cup? so they invented the game, so what? nobody remembers who invented the Piano.

The relationship of the moronic tabloid press to the English Team is like flies to a stinking carcass, it epitomises everything vile and unwholesome about our national psyche, until that improves, i hope Germany spank the English brats for the rest of Football’s natural life, again and again and again, untill we realise that the war is long over and we don’t have some kind of moral entitelment to win against a team that know how to work together for the greater good.

mammal's avatar

Having said all that, the point of a sports contest is to ensure that the Rules and guidelines ensure that the playing field is level, that is what gives the tournament meaning, that’s what is so compelling, if the officials are too inept to see the most blatant goal, it renders the whole thing meaningless. Some decisions will always be marginal, that then becomes part and parcel of the ethos of sport. But completely incompetent officiating spoilt the England Germany match, because Germany were rocked by an rare England purple patch where they effectively rattled in two goals in quick succession, had that goal stood, the complexion of the match would have been different.

zenele's avatar

@dverhey Accepting 3–1 odds, payable in lurve. PM me. GO HOLLAND

;-)

mattbrowne's avatar

The multi-millionaire prima donna attitude seems to affect other teams too, especially Italy and France. The latter actually went on strike while French taxpayers support their national football associating (like in other countries as well) because this is important to keep troubled young people away from drugs and crime. Top players should be a role model for these youngsters.

mattbrowne's avatar

One more question:

Would the situation change if the rule one country one national team applied to the UK as well? I never understood why the UK is allowed to send 4 teams instead of one. It’s the year 2010.

Maybe players from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales do not have the same prima donna attitude?

mattbrowne's avatar

@zenele – Yes, the Netherlands got a great team too!

ragingloli's avatar

@mattbrowne
The UK is not a country. It is a union of countries. Otherwise the EU should also only be able to send one European team to the Football World Cup.

mattbrowne's avatar

@ragingloli – Of course the UK is a country made of smaller parts. Same as Germany, which is a federal republic made of smaller parts. Same as the US.

zenele's avatar

@mattbrowne A great team that’s going vuvuzela all over Brazil!

OpryLeigh's avatar

@DarlingRhadamanthus hit the nail on the head for me. Although I am English myself I can honestly say that I couldn’t give a monkeys about how the England team did in the World Cup. In my opinion the team is just a bunch of seriously over paid pussies!

zenele's avatar

HOLLAND, AS I’VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, IS TERRIFIC – AND HAS JUST SQUASHED THE ALMIGHTY BRASIL AND IS ROCKETING ON TO THE SEMIS. YAYYYYY!!!!

mattbrowne's avatar

@zenele – I really like the Dutch team. Yesterday was awesome. Then the Ghana drama…

Perhaps another fight after the match Germany – Argentine… like in 2006

DeanV's avatar

@zenele I stand corrected from above. You win.

mattbrowne's avatar

Predictions Spain – Paraguay anyone?

bob_'s avatar

Spain 2 – Paraguay 0.

My heart is with Paraguay, however.

mattbrowne's avatar

Spain 1 – Paraguay 0. Mine too. Spain won the European Cup 2 years ago. Our neighbor’s daughter went to a high school in Paraguay for one year and she fell in love with the country. She had a wonderful host family. Now she asked everyone in our neighborhood to support their team. Go Paraguay !!

zenele's avatar

@dverhey Yes, and my lurve?

DeanV's avatar

@zenele If I haven’t maxed out, fair enough.

zenele's avatar

@dverhey You know I’m kidding, right? Lurve? Hahahaha.

DeanV's avatar

@zenele Oh, I know, but it’s only fair, I suppose.

Lurve is free.

mattbrowne's avatar

Hah, Spain – Paraguay ended 1:0 ! @bob_ – You owe me a beer!

zenele's avatar

Now taking bets on the finals: Germany vs. Holland.

Holland wins of course, 2–1.

ragingloli's avatar

The Reich will win. 3–2

mattbrowne's avatar

We need a Germany – Spain bet first.

zenele's avatar

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zenele's avatar

THAT IS THE PERFECT 11X11 WALL YOU’RE GOING TO MEET.

bob_'s avatar

@zenele I’m rooting for Holland, too. I’ve already bet $1,000 MXN that they’d beat Germany in an eventual final. Those cheese-eaters better come through.

zenele's avatar

Everyone eats cheese, bob. It’s Gouda-eaters – pronounced with phlegm.

mattbrowne's avatar

Okay, in 90 minutes we’ll watch Netherlands – Uruguay. My bet is 3:1

zenele's avatar

It’s the 69th minute – and TWO – ONE FOR HOLLAND!!!!!

iF YOU LOOK UP A FEW POSTS – YOU’LL SEE i PREDICTED 2–1 FOR hOLAND – AS i’VE CALLED ALL OF THEIR WINS UNTIL NOW. (AND IT’S TIME STAMPED!!!)

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zenele's avatar

CORRECTION – ROBIN JUST MADE IT 3–1 Holland!!!!

rebbel's avatar

It’s bad for your health to be Dutch and watch the match….., they didn’t do well…, again.
But we are in the final!
Yay!

DeanV's avatar

Final predictions?

My prediction:
Germany 3, Netherlands 1.

zenele's avatar

Sorry – it’s Robben. I agree, rebbel.

Bottom line: made it to the finals.

Now to beat Spain/Germany’s butt – and it’s an orange World Cup – woohoo!

I am actually shouting woohoo, if anyone was wondering.

mattbrowne's avatar

My Holland bet was true till the game was almost over…

Germany – Spain tonight 2:1

zenele's avatar

Germany Spain tonight: 4–1 blowout.

ragingloli's avatar

The psychic octopus has picked Spain. Therefore Germany will lose. But he hesitated a bit, so it will be close.

bob_'s avatar

@mattbrowne Dude, you don’t know Paul the octopus?

ragingloli's avatar

the octopus was right again.

DeanV's avatar

Impressive, Mr. Octopus.

mattbrowne's avatar

Yes, very impressive, Mr. Octopus.

Spain deserved to win. They were the better team. Very clever. Though the German team got a lot of potential, we still have to keep in mind that so many young players lack the experience. This was one of the reason why so many people were surprised by the 4:0. Jogi Löw has done a great job and I really hope that the headhunters headed for the European soccer bazaar won’t turn the young players heads seducing them 5 million salaries and more. We all know what happened to the teams of France, Italy and England.

zenele's avatar

Holland – Spain: 2–1 (Now accepting bets in increments of 5 lurve. PM me).

mattbrowne's avatar

Holland – Spain 0:1

but I still support Holland !

bob_'s avatar

Holland 3—Spain 1

Oranje FTW!

DeanV's avatar

@mattbrowne I think the game would have been very different if Mueller had been allowed to play. That yellow card was a terrible call.

mattbrowne's avatar

@dverhey – Different, yes. But I’m not so sure about ‘very different’. I think they would have lost anyway. What’s unique about the Spanish team is having experienced top-notch players acting as a team (unlike France, Italy and England this time). Vicente del Bosque had carefully observed the earlier games of our German team and found a strategy to disrupt the flow in the midfield. The Spanish team was extremely disciplined and especially their defense players always occupied a position where they needed to be. On top of that Schweinsteiger lacked a bit of concentration and Özil did not have enough ideas. But all in all the German team did a great job and should not be too disappointed about losing the game against Spain. I hope we’ll get a great game tomorrow. Uruguay is not as strong as Spain.

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