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iwamoto's avatar

Would you be able to NOT eat meat?

Asked by iwamoto (5266points) April 14th, 2008

i’ve been a vegitarian for 2 years now, and everytime i tell people they say “i wouldn’t be able to not eat meat” as if it was a matter of life and death, how about you? would you be able to do without meat? (don’t worry, im not trying to convince people, just curious)

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delirium's avatar

I’ve been a vegetarian near six years now. Meat just stops being a food item. I see it the same way I see paper towels. It doesn’t qualify as edible… to me…

theloveprophet's avatar

No.

PETA

People Eating Tasty Animals.

Mtl_zack's avatar

i love meat. its part of human nature. we are omnivores, just look at our teeth. theyre designed for tearing flesh off of a bone.

Mtl_zack's avatar

although when the animals are being tortured before death, that sucks.

iwamoto's avatar

it’s not a matter of design, human nature, etc. the question is..could you do without meat?

shockvalue's avatar

It’s really not hard to give up. I’ve been vegetarian for a solid four years now, and I keep going back and forth between vegan and vegetarian. But eating meat in today’s society is really not necessary to any degree. Go into any super market and within seconds you can find hundreds of alternative energy sources to keep yourself alive.

shockvalue's avatar

@ Mtl zack: No, our teeth are not designed for tearing meat. Look at your teeth, you will notice they are flat and have a large surface area. Perfect for grinding vegetation. Now look at your cat or dogs teeth, they are sharp, used to tear flesh.

here is a great source by the creator of Bizzaro

skfinkel's avatar

Of course. People can survive in many ways. Without meat is one way. But it seems that some people thrive more on meat than others. And sometime when healing or pregnant or at other times, meat seems more necessary or even desired by people who normally have no interest.

peedub's avatar

Yes, I could. I choose not to but there are plenty of great non-meat options, at least where live.
I’ve tried and even cooked things that taste exactly like meat.

Mtl_zack's avatar

in that case, i would still eat meat. i just love it and i grew up with it. also, meat is very important for protein, which helps grow muscles and is very good for you. and i do have a protein deffiency, so i dont think i can survive without meat.
@ shockvalue: look at our front teeth, not the back.

peedub's avatar

Quinoa has a ton of protein, just as a side note.

delirium's avatar

Mtl zack: we don’t have teeth for eating meat. We don’t have bodies for digesting it particularly well either. article

And there are other ways of getting protein.

I appreciate when people give up red meat. Beef is one of the biggest energy wastes there is.

shockvalue's avatar

Sorry, wrong link. Here is what I meant to post about humans and meat.

Breefield's avatar

I think everyone is capable of not eating meat, it’s just a choice.

iwamoto's avatar

im still curious why people like zack realy believe they can’t do without it, it’s not like breathing air, everyday thouasands of vegetarians prove the opposite…

shockvalue's avatar

900,000 tree hugging dirt worshipers cant be wrong.

delirium's avatar

;) True, that, shock.

Plus its significantly healthier. Americans eat terribly, Vegetarians usually are health food fanatics, grow a lot of their own stuff, and eat incredibly well.
I avoid chemicals going in to my body at all costs. I only have pop when I desperately need caffeine. I haven’t had fast food in around six/seven years. No cheetos or anything like that. No unnatural colorings.
My family changed their lifestyle to suit mine. My parents will live longer lives because of me. :]

Alina1235's avatar

I became a vegetarian on December 29th after reading “skinny bitch” still miss it sometimes but I have adapted an addiction to everything morning star and boca

delirium's avatar

Alina: Have you ever tried Quorn? Great protein amounts, really low fat, and they’re Sooooo delicious…. Mmmmmmmmmm.

iwamoto's avatar

aaah, quorn, tival..“albert heijn huismerk”...that last one i think is a dutch exclusive ;)

@delerium, what about fish?

shockvalue's avatar

If you eat fish you aren’t vegetarian.

fish are friends, not food.

delirium's avatar

I do eat fish, but only farmed or locally caught fish.

And its called pescetarianism, and its just another kind of vegetarianism. I don’t have a choice about eating fish, I have a very serious degenerative joint disorder and am on meds that limit my food choices which make it practically impossible for me to get the right amount of protein without some fish in my diet.

Mtl_zack's avatar

@ delirium: there are plenty of ways to cook meat that is healthy. not all meat is mcdonalds, you know. i havent had fast food in my whole life, aside from when i was absolutely broke once in my life and had exactly 99 cents in my pocket across the border. and in quebec, the food standards are raised very high, so no weird carcinogenic growth hormones for me.

@ peedub: thanks for the suggestion, ill try it out.

and as for fish, its very good for you and has no fat. the only risk nowadays is mercury poisoning. and even when i do get fish, i go to the market where it was caught the day before.

shockvalue's avatar

what is good in the fish is omega 3 fatty acids. these can also be found in flax.

peedub's avatar

I actually stick to fish as well. Canned wild salmon is actually great and can be prepared in variety of ways. If there is a costco near you it’s very affordable.

Mtl_zack's avatar

another thing: these protein “imitators” that taste like meat and have the same texture can contain certain chemicals that can harm you. not all, but some. also, it could screw up your digestive tract.

iwamoto's avatar

i eat a “friendly fish” once a month max. good to know that has a name too, thanks delirium :)

delirium's avatar

No, most of the protein ‘imitators’ don’t, if you pick good ones. I don’t eat anything that I haven’t read thoroughly about.

shockvalue's avatar

Which protein “imitators” are you speaking of? everything I have found and consumed has been perfectly healthy.

Then again, I DO live in Berkeley, so it’s not hard to find vegan and vegetarian substitutes for anything you can imagine.

Mtl_zack's avatar

another point to bring up: do vegetarians hate vegetables? vegetables are living organisms too. who says that they cant have a conscient mind? everyone says “protect the animals because they’re innocent and they’re treated with cruelty”. what about the millions of cobs of corn that go through the blades of a harvest truck. and by the way, im being serious.

shockvalue's avatar

As far as I am aware, no reputable study has ever shown that plants can “feel pain”. They lack the nervous system and brain necessary for this to happen. A plant can respond to stimuli, for example by turning towards the light or closing over a fly, but that is hardly the same thing. I find it hard to see what purpose pain could serve for the plant, since they can hardly run away.

delirium's avatar

People who care about that become fruititarians. People who only eat fruit.

We know that plants aren’t sentient beings. They don’t have that capability. It would be pointless, evolutionarily.

iwamoto's avatar

a running corncob…the thought makes me smile

delirium's avatar

By the way, i’m not a vegetarian because the animals are innocent and treated with cruelty, although that does bother me.

I don’t eat meat because I couldn’t kill meat, and therefore I don’t have a right to be eating it.
I could kill at fish. And a plant. So I am justified in eating it. I would not, however, be able to kill a cow, or a chicken or a pig.

I respect people who hunt for their own food more than I respect almost anything. Its very commendable, and isn’t supporting an evil and wasteful industry.

shockvalue's avatar

@iwamoto: wasn’t there a Corn Nuts™ commercial like that a few years back?

iwamoto's avatar

i dont eat meat, because i just didn’t want to anymore, just like when i lost my faith, one day i just lost it, im thinking all the time, even when im trying to relax my mind races, i guess theat’s why it just happens

im not sure if i could kill an animal, but i dont wanna find out, i’d rather play with animals

@shock, no idea, im from europe ;)

Mtl_zack's avatar

fruits, vegetables, same thing. all a fruit or vegetable is is the ovaries of the seeds that come out of it, that grow into a fleshy substance. a sentinent being must comply with several rules: it must get its own nourishment, it must excrete its own waste, it must regulate its internal environment in order to comply with outside forces, it must be able to reproduce on its own and it must have a response to stimuli. aresponse is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun or an animal chasing its prey, but not always.

delirium's avatar

mtl zack: you’re wrong. A vegetable requires killing the plant, a fruit doesn’t. Most fruit are meant to be eaten anyways.

Mtl_zack's avatar

the word vegetable is a culinary term, not a botanical term. in 1893 the u.s. supreme court made the tomato a vegetable just to support the new tarriff act at the time. however, a tomato is a FRUIT. vegetable is just a culinary term to put on a menu.

delirium's avatar

Great, well i’m speaking botanically. Culinary terms are really really stupid. Its just allowing ignorance.
Fruititarianism is intended botanically too.

shockvalue's avatar

yes yes, tomato, tom- a -to. what it all boils down to is: don’t eat meat.

Mtl_zack's avatar

if you’re speaking in botanical terms, you shouldnt use the word vegetable, because it isnt a term used in this field. see this article on the case to legally make a tomato a vegetable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden#The_Court.27s_decision

and also just for laughs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz_v._United_States

shockvalue's avatar

Mtl Zack: I’m not really sure what you are trying to prove… just throwing wikipedia pages at people is hardly an argument. and unless you happen to be an expert in the field of botanical terminology, it might not be the best idea to start a food fight.

delirium's avatar

The word vegetable is derived from vegetation.
By the way, if you want to talk to an expert in the field of botanical terminology, or botany, I can call in my father, the man with a Ph.D in botany, as a reference.

iwamoto's avatar

so, to awnser my question, zack can’t do without meat because a tomato is a fruit?

delirium's avatar

That seems to be the consensus!

Mtl_zack's avatar

@ shockvalue: i learned about this precise argument of fruit vs. vegetable in my civics and law class. we practically spent an entire unit on this subject. im just tossing easy to read articles at people who may or may not understand the terms used in the actual records of that case.

@deliriam: wow, your father is a biologist :o does that make you a biologist as well? my dad is a biologist too. maybe we’re twins seperated at birth.

@iwamoto: this conversation has gone waaaay off topic. i eat meat because thats just what i do. if you’re not happy with it, then do whatever you want, but dont try to impose your beliefs on me. i can believe what i want to believe, just as you can believe what you want to believe.

iwamoto's avatar

read my opening question ;)

everyone should do what makes them happy

shockvalue's avatar

from iwamoto, and I quote: ”(don’t worry, im not trying to convince people, just curious)”

@zack: Easy to read articles like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz_v._United_States ?

ezraglenn's avatar

this is intense. I have been a vegetarian for 7 years. I was a huge meat eater before that. Like, two meals most days contained meat, usually. I never thought I could give it up, but I had been thinking about losing meat for a while, and after watching Michael Moore’s “Roger and Me” I knew I had to stop eating it. So I did.

phoenyx's avatar

The best way to go: breatharian.

Well, okay, maybe not.

gailcalled's avatar

I no longer eat meat; my diet is no one’s business. I feel fine.

gailcalled's avatar

Meat-free diet

- A large study offers the strongest evidence yet that a diet the government recommends for lowering blood pressure can save people from heart attack and stroke.

Researchers followed more than 88,000 healthy women for almost 25 years. They examined their food choices and looked at how many had heart attacks and strokes. Those who fared best had eating habits similar to those recommended by the government to stop high blood pressure.

The plan, called the DASH diet, favors fruits, vegetables, whole grains, low-fat milk and plant-based protein over meat.

DeezerQueue's avatar

The response that you offer is a somewhat simple response, given without thinking, as seen also in the response to, “Hi, how are you,” “I’m fine, thanks, how are you doing?” In my opinion many folks don’t really give dietary choice a second glance unless they’re either forced to, or because they’ve been confronted with in in some fashion, such as the ethical treatment of animals or wanting to adopt a healthier lifestyle.

Eating meat, however, is a choice, it is a choice that each person has to make on their own, some do it with thought, some do it without thought. But I don’t consider myself a sort of vegetarian police officer, who has the right to go around asking everyone to defend their decision.

syz's avatar

<<< no meat for 12 years

mcbealer's avatar

Sans anything with a face since 1987, and quite happy and healthy.

delirium's avatar

Vegetarians do taste better…

iwamoto's avatar

i seriously wonder how human meat tastes, i think it would be good if you fry it, but then again, i dont eat meat….

peedub's avatar

I don’t she meant it in the literal sense.

iwamoto's avatar

aaah ok, well, i have to agree, my smell is higher than that of my house mates, and smell is an important part of tasting…

delirium's avatar

lmao… I meant in the sexual sense!

iwamoto's avatar

hahaha, see, sometimes girls ARE perverts….or well, naughty sounds more women like….

delirium's avatar

It says it on the back of my car. I love how vague it is.

peedub's avatar

That may depend on who’s driving the car.

iwamoto's avatar

if i ever get a car…or a licence, i’d write down something like…“loco pedal ut metal” or a shark eating the christian fish

delirium's avatar

!!!! Iwa! I have a T-rex eating a jesus fish on the back of my car! Its SO CUTE. Its just looking happy and nomming away at it.

iwamoto's avatar

:D see, just what i like !!! do you have a picture of it?

delirium's avatar

Remind me through PM and i’ll take a picture of the back of my car for you. :D

iwamoto's avatar

damn, it says “moved or deleted” !

peedub's avatar

iwam really wants to see that trunk!

delirium's avatar

I think I fixed it…

Car

iwamoto's avatar

damn righ peedub, did you see that trunck? sooo cool, the rex, the vegitarian, even the apple logo, incredibly cool!

peedub's avatar

You know it!

iwamoto's avatar

too bad the rest is password protected, oh well, maybe if it’s not too private and or raunchy she’ll PM me the pass, was that a hint?

delirium's avatar

I have little dinosaur stickers snuck in on the edges.

Hahahahahahaha, There’s a VERY good reason that its PW protected. And you WISH that I would send you the pw. ;P

iwamoto's avatar

..i sure do…i sure do

delirium's avatar

We should take all of this to chat, rather than messing up a Q.

https://fluther.campfirenow.com/578c0

iwamoto's avatar

ah well, it was my question to begin with, only thing is, i never get an awnser back on campfire, is it because im using safari? shouldnt be a problem right?

wizard's avatar

Meat qualifies as one of my meals each day. I would never be a successful vegitarian.

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