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Do you feel satisfaction when your point is proven?

Asked by Dutchess_III (46813points) April 7th, 2011

About a year ago, right after I’d started my new job, I posted this Question.
Long story short, the discussion segued off into fundamentalist anti-smokers insisting that all smokers stink. All smokers reek, and if we think we don’t we’re just being delusional. I tried to offer up some examples in my own life where I believed that the fact that I was a smoker (and a pretty heavy smoker at that) wasn’t detected, and basically I was told that the people who didn’t say anything “were just being polite,” even though the situations I mentioned had a vested interest in me not smelling like smoke. Basically, they were insulting and rude, which makes vindication all the sweeter.

Well, the other day I found myself in an email conversation with my co-worker, Susan. With her permission it is copied and pasted here, with no additions or deletions in the conversation, and only a few adjustments for privacy’s sake:

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Me: “Rick managed to smoke up the house bad last night with the fire place. My eyes are still burning and I smell like a campfire!”

Susan: “You definitely can’t smell as bad as [student] did when he walked in here. He smelled like he had been hot boxing it in his car chain smoking. (Is that the right term?? LOL)”

Me: “LOL!! Well….that’s a LOT of smoking! It’s usually one or the other but…gross anyway you look at it!”

Susan: “Point is, he smelled REALLY nasty. I KNOW people can be smokers and not smell bad. You don’t smell bad!”

Me: “Well…um…um, um…why, that’s the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me! (I think…. : ) I try very hard not to because it is nasty. But some folks don’t care and they smoke in their homes and stuff. That’s when it gets bad because it gets all in their clothes and stuff. And stuff. Stuff like that.”

Susan: “LOL Well, I know you smoke some but I’ve never noticed the smell on you. Lol But some people it’s just overwhelming.”

Me: “I think I just won a bet.” (Referring to the old discussion linked here.)

Then we had a verbal communication, because…actually, we’re in the same room…! and I asked her to go ahead and email what she had just said, so I could post it here if it was OK with her.

Me: “Hey! You need to put the Rest of the Story on here, and if it’s OK with you, I’ll clean it up (get rid of identifying stuffs) and post in on Fluther.”

Susan: “What, the rest of the story about how I never knew you smoked until about 3 months in to working together? LOL
I tell you, what cracked me up even more, once I found out, was that [Previous co-worker] smoked, but she hid it from me for the longest time too as her husband didn’t know about it. LOL”

Me: “Yeah, that part of the rest of the story!
That about [Previous co-worker] ….I’d hate to have to hide something like that from someone who was kissin me and stuff! Too much work.”

Coworker: “LOL I know! Finally she told me so if she was out back smoking and [her husband] came in, I could cover for her. She never smelled either.
Anywho, Val, it was the longest time you worked here before I knew you smoked. Just thought you liked to take the trash out to get fresh air! It WAS nice weather! Then about 3 months or so later, I actually SAW you with a ciggie, then I knew it was all a ruse… “

Me: “A ruse! Yes a RUSE I tell you! But….the trash didn’t pile up did it!”

Susan: “LOL No it didn’t. :)”
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And no, Susan’s husband does not smoke, and she certainly doesn’t. Also, I’d like to add that Susan found out she was pregnant the day after I hired in and pregnancy sharpens one’s sense of smell considerably!

Sigh. Vindication!

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yankeetooter's avatar

I very much do, and I worry that sometimes it’s a character flaw, because, let’s face it, I just like being right…

The other day we were preparing report cards at my school. While doing the attendance, I counted up how many days were in the quarter, and arrived at 46. When my supervisor handed back my report cards, he told me that I needed to correct the number of days in the quarter, and said that it should be 45. I told him, no, it should be 46. He replied that, according to the billing statement calendar, it was 45, and that everyone else had put down 45 as well. He walked away with me muttering under my breath that just because everyone else had 45, didn’t mean it was right…

I went into the program assistant’s office and let her know the situation. She too insisted that it should be 45. I asked her how she had reached this conclusion, and she said that the billing calendar said 45. Together we counted up the days and found out that…yep, you guessed it…it was 46. She went in to see my supervisor. That afternoon, an e-mail went out for everyone to change the number of days on their report cards to 46…:)

I guess I’m not too bad, because some may have wanted the satisfaction of him coming to me personally and admitting he was wrong…I was fine with the e-mail that came out, but I did spend some time preening myself over that one, lol!

Dutchess_III's avatar

@yankeetooter Yay! But…I’ve learned, unfortunately, that sometimes…you just gotta let mistakes be rather than prove your boss wrong. It can come back on you something fierce.

yankeetooter's avatar

Yeah, @Dutchess_III, I know, which is why I didn’t go by his office and be like “Nanny, nanny, boo, boo…!” No, I’m a competitive person, but I don’t generally gloat, lol! Maybe if I’m playing a board game and my opponent’s been particularly annoying, and then I win…but never in a work situation…one has to know how to play the politics game. I just enjoyed my victory inside.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I have a hard time with the politics game…it’s so HARD knowing you’re right…but you just have to watch…..
So..you teach?

yankeetooter's avatar

Yes, I work at a school, but am only a teacher’s assistant right now. Translated: same amount of work, a lot less pay, lol! I’m going back to school to finish my degree, but it’s going to take a while, sigh…

I’m worried that my desire to be right stems from a deep need to be acknowledged-I’ve seen this quality show itself again and again…

cockswain's avatar

I do, unless I proved it to my wife.

mangeons's avatar

I definitely feel satisfaction once I’ve proven a point, especially if there’s been a big argument about it. There’s no better feeling than knowing that you were right all along, and the person who’s been trying so hard to prove their point was wrong. :)

Dutchess_III's avatar

Very intuitive @yankeetooter. You’ll do fine!

@cockswain do not ever prove your wife wrong! Because, well, mainly because you can’t. She’ll have proof that your proof is wrong! See. (been there, do that, all the time!)

@mangeons Glad to know I’m not the only one!

cockswain's avatar

No, I’ve actually done it, logically and over a very long, not entirely friendly discussion. The end result was I was correct, but got such a loathsome look for it, I felt robbed of my victory. The enmity I bred in that moment was not worth it. Lesson learned. That’s marriage.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I know, @cockswain,...I too, have learned to just shut up. Sucks. Except in marriage. To keep the peace it’s worth shutting up. That’s just what you have to do sometimes. It’s far more frustrating in the work place when….well, anyway. Close your kilt, now, dear.

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