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Can you give examples of how US Americans do/perpetuate these things?

Asked by Jenniehowell (2214points) September 11th, 2015

Tell me how the US & it’s citizens currently commit these acts &/or how they perpetuate the results of these types of acts they’ve committed in the past.

UN Convention on the Prevention & Punishment of Genocide defines the international legal definition of genocide as….

any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Some examples of the types of things I’m looking for:

*In 2013 in California it was discovered that black & Latino female prisoners were being sterilized without their permission or knowledge and it had been done for decades. They only stopped because they were caught.

*Despite legal agreements and govt. treaties with Native tribes to the contrary, it often occurs where if a Native parent is deemed unsuitable, the child is placed with a non-Native foster or adoptive parents.

*US Missionaries go around the globe attempting to convert people to Christianity therefore eroding other religious practices and cultures and then those who are converted begin to take the teachings they have learned and use them to justify the making of limiting laws or the rapes and killings of certain groups of people – such as “kill the gays” laws in Kenya or the killing of people suspected to be witches in various African places or the abuse of women in various places in Africa etc. Similar things happen in India and elsewhere as well.

*The US – despite govt. treaties barring them from doing so, have recently sold Native reservation land to non-US countries for business purposes.

*The US has law enforcement policies and patterns that target particular ethnic groups over others to a point where a white person and a black person can commit the exact same crime and come out with results that are different to the extreme ranging from excessive force & murder by cop to loss of property and extended sentencing.

Of course there are also ways that the US contributes to these things around the globe – giving weapons to one country or another or one group or another. Assisting &/or ignoring our allies despite the atrocities they may commit (Israel for example) etc. the list goes on.

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msh's avatar

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Vincentt's avatar

May I ask what the reason for this question is? It sounds like you’ve made up your mind about something, and now are looking for arguments to support it (instead of the other way around).

Jenniehowell's avatar

@Vincentt – the reason for my question was related to a discussion/debate I overheard someone having in a coffee shop earlier this week. I hadn’t previously thought of things in current day America or that current day Americans contribute to outside the U.S. from the perspective of the “international legal” definition of genocide before that point.

After listening to their conversation & then considering those points, I thought of multiple examples that pretty obviously matched that definition on one level or another which America has perpetuated or contributed to in current times. The definition is obviously not the standard definition that comes to the mind of many people when the word genocide is used so I was interested in thinking of it from this different (to me) perspective.

I was curious how many other examples out there that folks could come up with that happen to loosely or tightly fit that definition, because I myself only thought of the few immediate ones that obviously jumped out as somewhat matching that more expanded definition – like forced sterilization of black & Latina prisoners for instance – so I figured I’d ask the fluther community as in the past I’ve found that there are many here who are much more knowledgeable about what the U.S. Does outside the U.S. Than I am. (Like weapons trade with one group or another – sanctions & wars that were based on false intelligence that ended up killing & permanently disabling thousands of people or the missionary work that results in random concepts in other countries like “kill the gays” laws etc.) again those are the minimal concepts because my knowledge is limited without more research – but I have met plenty of flutherers who have had a plethora of political discussions over the years on here who are very knowledgeable about details and history.

I’m interested in getting a list of things from that perspective/definition of genocide so that I can further research the facts and history of each one and expand my own knowledge – I am a person who likes to research things and learn about them/consider them from a perspective that is outside my norm or my comfort zone – I’m a nerd that way I guess.

Of course it seems that my question has attracted responses of doubt or accusatory defensiveness of some sort, so perhaps my long sebatical from fluther has been too long and I’ve come back to find that those people interested in history, politics and open minded discussion have left the forum for greener pastures and what’s left are those who react to the question rather than actually respond to it.

I appreciate you asking – as no one else did so it gave me a chance to answer it & provide clarity – tho your link makes it clear that your question was more assumptive, sarcastic & rhetorical…. I figured I’d answer anyway just to give more clarity.

I’m not anti-American but rather am interested in looking at things from a different perspective than what I am used to considering or am generally comfortable with in an effort to learn, grow and be more open minded. At the same time that I am not anti-American, I am also not blinded by the propaganda concept that many refer to as “American exceptionalism” or denial of what bad America has done under the guise of patriotism.

What I have found in general is that those willing to at least consider things from a different perspective even if they don’t agree and to listen to the views of people who believe differently than they do – rather than react from fear or ego – are also generally more tolerant and less bigoted regardless the perspectives and beliefs they may have individually. My goal is to learn to look at things from a perspective that isn’t my own so that I am not the same as many Americans in the bigotry, bias and fear-based reactions that seem to be so prevalent in many places these days.

Vincentt's avatar

> tho your link makes it clear that your question was more assumptive, sarcastic & rhetorical

In fact, it wasn’t: I was merely hoping that if what it sounded like was true, you would realise it from the link (as opposed to from my suggesting it, which is not that credible). However, from your explaining it, it seems like you’re doing the exact opposite: you heard a view outside your usual one, and are now investigating more about it. Good for you :)
(I’m leaving up my answer, since your question might still turn up for people Googling it who are falling for the confirmation bias.)

Unfortunately, I don’t have much to contribute personally. Hopefully, your explanation on the reasoning behind the question makes it easier for people to understand what you’re looking for.

Also, tip for next time: a wall of text isn’t very inviting. It looks very much like texts often used by e.g. consipracy theorists who are trying to “wake up the sheeple” instead of starting a discussion/learning new things. The question could be rephrased simply to “I overheard some people in a coffee shop suggesting that the US has taken part in genocide in its history as well. I thought that was an interesting statement, and am now wondering whether it holds; does any one have examples of this?”

Jenniehowell's avatar

@Vincentt Thanks – re: the wall of text tip – If you knew me personally you would know that walls of text are my unfortunate weakness – I have no clue how not to be wordy – working on it though.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I know what you mean, @Jenniehowell. Just have to edit and sacrifice.

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