What did Trump get in exchange for backing down on DACA? Read details please.

The deal might be support on some other matters which they don’t want to disclose.

That’s what I’m worried about.

I don’t think anything is finalized or even agreed. This morning Trump declared that “there is no deal”. So who knows?

Honestly, I think maybe Trump was never trying to throw those “kids” out of the country anyway. The Democrats and left media certainly dwelled on that point, but I think it’s more likely it was about spending money on these dreamers while their parents work under the table. DACA certainly does create a path to citizenship, so I’m not saying the Democrats were wrong about that, but then I think with legal status these kids can get government money for education, they can get Medicaid, they can get other government services that piss off the conservatives. I don’t think we know Trump’s main motivation for getting rid of DACA. I haven’t watched closely enough, I don’t remember hearing from Trump exactly his intention when this all started.

Maybe someone here knows exactly what the negotiation details are? What does Trump want? What are his demands in the negotiation?

What I find interesting is on the DACA US ICE website it mentions previous military service as a possible way to qualify. I am always struck that illegal immigrants, or people with a student visa status, are eligible to serve in our military? It makes no sense to me.

All that the news reports mention is extra reinforcement at the border. I suppose this means authorizing funds to have more people patrolling the border or giving them more equipment. Both Trump and the Democrats have said that the deal does not include “the wall”.

I’d avoid reading too much into anything Trump does anymore. I’m 99% certain he had no idea what DACA was before he started speaking against it.

That’s why we get things like: “But you have some absolutely incredible kids — I would say mostly. They were brought here in such a way. It’s a very — it’s a very very tough subject. We are going to deal with DACA with heart.”

from the same fount as, “We will immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties, in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants.”

He hasn’t backed down at all—he’s just playing games, trying to appease his supporters and roil his foes. It IS confusing because Trump tends to change his mind depending whom he talked to last.

^^Makes me wonder if Democrats are nicer to him if he can be easily manipulated to lean more that way. Right now he mostly has his Republican friends telling him what to do.

This is just my opinion, and I’ve been looking for this sort of thing since the election, so maybe it’s a false positive, but think it through with me.

I think Trump is realizing that the media is fractured and that he can, conceivably, play both sides for support. Rather than screaming “fake news” and having half the coverage be negative, he feeds two narratives and they play to two different audiences. To some extent each side will hear what they want, and it’s been proven that there is little repercussion for not following through on your word.

He doesn’t even have to spin it, because the news outlets and prominent members of congress will do that for him. Just look at how quickly everyone was to jump up and say that no deal was made.

I don’t think this can be dismissed as random ramblings or the lack of a plan. It’s dealmaking, and he’s anchoring each side and then will lock in on his original target.

It’s not like he’s going to lose support from Democrats, because there’s none to lose, but if he looks like he’s working with the Democrats to keep kids from getting kicked out of the country… even though his position on that was originally they shouldn’t be kicked out, he wins support there.

And if the Republicans get their stronger borders and immigration laws without really changing anything else (DACA was the de facto law), then that’s pretty easy to sell.

And it’s the same position he’s always had. Borders should be stronger, less immigrants should come to the country, deport everyone who came here illegally. And he gets to appear reasonable, despite that position, by dealing “with the other side”.

Look at whatever media outlets you consider on each side and see the difference in coverage for this. It’s two completely different points of focus, and he’s going to eventually meet in the middle, where he was when we started and claim it’s a victory of compromise.

@funkdaddy The DACA kids did come here illegally.

@JLeslie – Their parents came here illegally. They had no choice in the matter, and we don’t punish people for the crimes of their parents in this country. At least, we’re not supposed to.

^^I’m with you. I’m in favor of giving them legal status. As far as I’m concerned they are Americans.

@funkdaddy, I’ve never wavered from believing that Trump isn’t a Republican, he isn’t a Democrat, he’s isn’t anything but a vacuous, self-serving egomaniac with only one core belief: winning is everything, losing is unacceptable, and life (i.e., work, relationships, and currently politics and everything related to it) is a zero sum game.

I pity us (and by us, I mean not just the lemmings who voted for him, of which I certainly am not one), but all of us who, in both small and big ways in our lifetimes have enabled a society in which a fake can be elected a fake president.

Trump working with the Democrats makes perfectly good sense from Trump’s point of view.

He got a short term budget approved that allows for relief money to be sent to hurricane victims. When the budget has to be renewed in three months, he can try to force his wall funding and, more importantly, he can work with the Republicans to lower taxes on the rich and cut out programs for the poor.

He is using DACA as a bargaining chip to try to force tighter border control. If the Democrats don’t go along, he can blame the DACA cancellation on them.

Trump’s overriding driver is being known for making a deal! He doesn’t care if it is a good deal or a bad deal, he wants to make a point of saying “I made a deal”.

His debt extension/temporary funding deal gave him a chance to say, “see, I made a deal that Ryan and McConnell couldn’t make.”

Trump Cuts Tentative DACA Deal with Democrats

That is all I could find from legit sources.

Trump will say anything to get attention, true or not.

@Espiritus_Corvus he’s now saying no deal was made

^^Yeah, I know. That’s what the Atlantic article (posted yesterday) said, too, but read what Pelosi and other Dems who he’s been dealing with say. The article describes the trade offs being discussed. The Dems seem quite happy about the way things are going. Read the article.