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Women's place in the world?

Asked by SultanOfSquat (23points) August 15th, 2018

It has been said that you can’t have great love for a woman without having a little love for all women. I believe this to be true. All of us come to this 4 dimensional spacetime continuum by the efforts of a woman, and we would be unenlightened indeed to not understand and honor that fact. What are your thoughts on this?

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elbanditoroso's avatar

Your argument is illogical – I don’t see the logic in expanding ‘some love for all women’ to ‘great love for a particular woman’. It’s a little like saying “you can’t love chocolate ice cream without having a love for all other flavors”. It just doesn’t add up.

The fact that a woman bore you – that’s a physical, technical function. Having a baby does not automatically impute love, affection, or respect. Maybe it should, and it often does, but it isn’t a universal result of the physical act of giving birth.

Basically, for some reason you have a blindly pollyannaish view of women, but you don’t make a good case for it at all.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Sperm helps create life as well but I don’t have an equal love for all men of the world. I’m not understanding the connection.

canidmajor's avatar

How about you start out thinking of women as people first? A grand philosophical approach because of a basic biological reality eliminates the humanity of each person.

Dutchess_III's avatar

There are few men I absolutely despise. I have no love at all for them. There are a few I really like, and a few that I really love, or once loved. The rest I am completely neutral about.
So, I ask you, based on that, what is a man’s place in this world?

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Dutchess_III I ponder which category I am in

Dutchess_III's avatar

I like you @elbanditoroso! I like lotsa men on fluther!

MrGrimm888's avatar

A man’s place, is utilitarian. Our purpose is to build, hunt, defend, and sacrifice.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@MrGrimm888 – and kill spiders and catch cockroaches so the womenfolk don’t have to.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@MrGrimm888…like women don’t build, hunt, defend and sacrifice too? OK. Let’s say the don’t. So what is YOUR answer to a woman’s place in this world?

MrGrimm888's avatar

Oh god… I did NOT infer women were incapable, of the tasks I mentioned.
“Place, ” in the world, to me, means purpose, or intention of purpose through “design” of evolution.

I was looking at the two genders, as one might compare different teeth.
Example. Our “K9” teeth, are clearly “designed,” to puncture. Our molars, are clearly for crushing, and grinding. While a K9 is capable of crushing, and grinding, it is not as well suited to it, as the molars. The reverse is also true.
My comments are a result of accumulations of my knowledge of anatomy, and physiology , and observation of the requirements of our race. They are also opinion, and I do not expect them to be considered otherwise. And, I stand by my assessment. As it is purely from a scientific viewpoint.

“A woman’s place?” I actually don’t appreciate the way this is phrased. I did not intend to answer this part, as my answers will be regarded as sexist, or wrong, regardless of what I say. I submit that the question itself, is a trap, or intended to cause discourse.

Women’s place.
Women are excellent family leaders. Obviously, they are the most involved ,physically, in reproduction. Women, to me, are great nurses, or doctors, or caregivers. They kill men, in most things requiring multitasking. They are better pilots, and because they are usually lighter than men, I vote they belong in the cockpit (no pun intended.) Textile. Certain types of manufacturing. Most importantly, their place, is as a stabilizing force. The way they can soothe people, cannot be understated.

Dutch. I know you and I go round and round on gender. I’m not trying to high jack this thread, and make it about gender equality. If you must take it there, I will follow. But I’m reallyjust trying to be scientific.

@ucme will come in here in a bit, and say something like “the kitchen,” and nobody will jump on him for it….

Dutchess_III's avatar

You’re saying men are stronger, physically than women. I agree. That still has nothing to do with building, hunting, defending, and sacrificing (And I would hugely beg to differ on the sacrifice part. I think women do far more sacrificing.)

MrGrimm888's avatar

SMH. I gave an abbreviated answer the first time. I guess this is my fault, for not explaining each task in detail.

Sacrifice.
In this case, I meant like your life. Men have historically had to lay down their lives, to give opportunity to not just women, but the “community.”
You know “women and children first,” in regards to life rafts?
Like that… And then there’s the effort/wear and tear involved in building (which I will cover later.)
If you haven’thad to carry two bundles of shingles (about 165 lbs, if they aren’t architect shingles, then they’re heavier,)up a 60 ft ladder, in 100° heat, you wouldn’t know what I’m talking about. Just like I wouldn’t know what carrying, or delivering a child, would be like. When I was 18, that was my job sometimes. Carry two bundles up a ladder, ALL day. I’ll revisit building.

Men being stronger.
I would say strength is part of it, but overall athleticism, would be more accurate. There are some skeletal differences between the genders, that further divide the genders. For instance, a female has, on average, wider hips (a bigger pelvis,) than a man. That’s because a human skull, may have to slide through, during birth…
The wider pelvis, has been discovered to have a direct impact on how the female body runs, and mostly jumps, and lands. It increases their chances of mechanical injuries, like say… sprained ankles. Go to a girl’s volleyball section, in a sporting goods store. Half the section, is ankle braces, and knee braces.
Studies have shown, that females can be taught to run, and jump, and land, with certain devices holding their legs together, but it is just not as natural, for females to run, jump etc, as a male’s pelvis allows him. Fact…

Now. Let’s look at the difference in strength. You not talking about a small difference. It’s an exponential difference. This is where many of the different skillsets afforded the genders stands out.

Building / human specific tasks.

So. Building, or construction, is a bit different from the other tasks, and the difference is of course, only humans build, like we do. This is a skill, that men slipped into. It just so happens that their anatomy fits this “better” overall, than the female anatomy. Remember me mentioning that I had to carry 160 lbs, up a ladder? ALL DAY! I didn’t have to carry two bundles. What I did have to do, was get all the pallets of newly delivered shingles on the roof, as fast as possible. Purely from an efficiency standpoint, it makes sense to make men do it. It’s a “place,” I wish men didn’t belong. Sacrificing your body like that is stupid. I wish I hadn’t ever done it. But it was fast cash… it was my “place,” at the time…

Hunting.
Again, I could have been more clear. In the early stages of human evolution, we were facing large herbivores, and dealing with carnivores, like Sabre Toothed Tigers, and maybe even Neanderthals. All while navigating uneven terrain, and I covered why men were better at that too.

Defending.
In my meaning, I meant warfare. Either defending a small village, or a larger scale war, such as was common throughout the human story.
Well. We just covered the large physical gender differences. So. I see little time speaking of this, unless you mean women defending against other women.
In the modern battlefield, a female may actually outshoot males, on average. But there are many more physical tasks that are required by a ground force. Think of a 135 lb woman, trying to drag a 170 lb, injured man?

Let’s keep in mind that you seem to have taken no offense to my comments about women being way better at multitasking, or really any positive opinions I gave to favor females, in other roles….

Dutchess_III's avatar

I didn’t notice any multi tasking comment.

I am saying that yes, I agree, men are stronger. That doesn’t mean women aren’t out there pushing their physical limits getting things done, too. It certainly doesn’t make them lesser than men…unless you feel lesser than every many who is stronger than you, who can carry more shingles, etc.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Just a personally, scientific analysis, of what I perceived the op to be requesting. When did ANYONE, say women weren’t out there “pushing their physical limits?” NOWHERE. You Brought that up. And it was not in context…

“I didn’t notice any multitasking comment?”
Please ACTUALLY read my posts, instead of being SO ridiculous about it…

Dutchess_III's avatar

Man, I don’t want to fight @MrGrimm888. I like you. But you honestly don’t really, truly understand how hard women have fought to get as far as we have. I’d have been roofing houses in my 20’s, but that kind of activity was frowned up by society. I really, really wanted to take shop class in HS, but was so strongly discouraged that it was all but forbidden.
I can’t even begin to touch on the rest, as far as “sacrifices.” Can’t even go there. I guess what we deal with, to keep our kids whole and safe, often all by ourselves because the men were tired of sacrificing so they left, isn’t considered a sacrifice. I guess it’s just what women are expected to do.

janbb's avatar

“Women’s place in the world” is such a bizarre, old-fashioned locution. Women, like men, should be able to determine where and what they want to do anywhere

MrGrimm888's avatar

Dutch. You still have not answered the original question. Tell me. What is a woman’s place?

Dutchess_III's avatar

There is no such thing as a “woman’s place”. There is no such thing as a “man’s place” either. We all just have to do the best that we can with what we have.

MrGrimm888's avatar

No. Unacceptable Dutch. Any answers are open to undeserved criticism. If you don’t have the guts, to let your response stand up to criticism, please don’t attack me for mine…

Dutchess_III's avatar

I have tried and you shut me down, @MrGrimm888. All I can say is that, as far as I’m concerned, women in modern America don’t have a particular place they have to stay in.

When we owned the shop I would often work on smaller units in the back, tune ups, sharpening chain, that kind of thing. There was an older gentleman who would come in, and if he saw me in the back working he would just lose it. He would literally come back there, take me by the arm, pull me up to the front and say, “That’s no place for a women!” I suppose you would agree with him?

MrGrimm888's avatar

I have not seen you try. I believe that your sole motivation for viewing this thread, was to look for something to be offended by, and admonish that jelly. I admitted that I was uncomfortable with the wording of the question. But I tried to answer it scientifically. You took it all wrong, and won’t even offer your answer.

I suppose, it’s like me, with Pitt bull threads. We simply cannot be objective, or not offended. I can respect that, and leave it be…

Dutchess_III's avatar

Ok. I don’t think women have a specific place in this world. They need to do whatever is in their capabilities to do. Same with men. Same with children. (BTW, I’m going to interview for parts manager at a John Deere outlet here in town, tomorrow.)

MrGrimm888's avatar

Acceptable.

Alright! I bet you’ll crush the interview. Good luck. Get you some John Deere swag. They probably have it everywhere. I think that’s a good company.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Rick and I have been talking and parts manager was exactly what I did at our shop (along with all business office functions.) I controlled the flow of inventory and ordering. I just never called it that because it was just one of a hundred things I did as the owner.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Oh, God. There is a house in town that is painted John Deere green, with yellow trim. It it hideous!

MrGrimm888's avatar

Get used to it. It’s your new place:)

Dutchess_III's avatar

I ain’t living there!!!

MrGrimm888's avatar

You will learn to love it.

Dutchess_III's avatar

The more I look at this company the more excited I am! It’s not John Deere, though. But along those lines. They sell combines, threshers, all kinds of ag stuff and they are BIG. Which makes me nervous and happy at the same time.

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