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Dutchess_III's avatar

What is Trump referring to when he talks about having thugs that can make things violent for people who don't support him?

Asked by Dutchess_III (39544points) 1 week ago

I am trying to figure out what he actually means? Is he referring to the upcoming election? Is he referring to his stupid wall?

Trump Raises Specter Of Supporters Turning Violent If They Don’t Get Their Way

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zenvelo's avatar

He has been laying the ground work to keep from turning over power if he loses the 2020 election.

He is referring to white nationalist groups, bikes for Trump, and also law enforcement and armed forces personnel that are “loyal” to him. A Coast Guard officer was arrested just a few weeks ago plotting to kill journalists, politicians, and civilians. Trump believes this was representative of his supporters anger with Democrats

Dutchess_III's avatar

Oh jesus. I hope I never experience anything like this guy again in my life.

ragingloli's avatar

Nothing special.
Just a veiled threat of armed and violent insurrection in case he loses the election.
Something that would have gotten Obama ousted in a snap.

Dutchess_III's avatar

It should get anyone ousted in a snap. We’ve lost our damn minds.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Is Trump trying to provoke a civil war?

Darth_Algar's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1

Not specifically. What he’s trying to do is intimidate everyone into going along with him.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I honestly can’t believe he’s still…..with us.

Stache's avatar

This is what he always does when he’s scared. He threatens. Cohen did his dirty work for him in the past. Now he only has Twitter to issue threats. The man is afraid of losing and he’s terrified he won’t win in 2020.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I can’t imagine why in the hell he’d want the job a second term. Hasn’t his ego taken enough of a beating?

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Dutchess_III

Ego is precisely the issue. His ego won’t allow him to acknowledge defeat, or when he’s out of his depth.

filmfann's avatar

He’s sewing the seeds of civil war.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

American government and law and order are institutions. Their value is continuity and consistency. Everyone gets equal protection and equal opportunity.

Trump has no ability to see that.

Everything is a personal transaction for him. A “deal”. He thinks he won the “President” trophy, so government is his toy to enrich himself and punish his enemies.

Thankfully the professionals in government have some integrity. Which frustrates Trump. So he is now stoking anger and hatred among his followers and encouraging violence.

It’s working. Psychopaths are citing Trump for inspiration. Just to name three, the MAGA bomberr, the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre, and yesterdays mosque slaughter in New Zealand were all inspired by Trump. All those psychos typed it out in clear text.

seawulf575's avatar

Well, part of the confusion is that you went to HuffPo and ABC who both only cut part of the answer out and then read into it. He made that statement in a Breitbart interview, yet you don’t go to that source. Why?

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Isolated incidents, can definitely be taken out of context. This specific rant, was part of an obvious, and well documented pattern though.

Taken alone, the quote is disturbing. My interpretation of his words, were that his supporters would “win” a civil war. A clear threat to those who oppose him. And honestly, this will be perceived as a call to arms. At minimum, by only the most extreme on the far right. At maximum, he could empower many fringe/almost far right wingers into starting a war.

Trump’s rhetoric blows even my mind sometimes (thought I had seen it all.) His latest remarks, make his agenda even more obvious. His lust for a dictatorship, and unbridled power are frightening.

Speeches, like this, WILL get people killed. The only question is, how many…

Putin must be elated with the increasing division, and instability of the US. Whether he is a Putin puppet or not, Trump’s behavior and actions, are playing out nicely for Russia.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

He made that statement in a Breitbart interview, yet you don’t go to that source. Why?

Because white nationalists are not our preferred new sources. And giving clicks to them is not an important goal in our lives.

But you enjoy. It’s a free country.

Yellowdog's avatar

Just about everything here is waaayyyy off.

I suggest you hear the quote in its original context, and not the way your sources set it up for you.

flutherother's avatar

It is plain what Trump means. He is happy to use violence and intimidation to get his own way. It is an appeal to the violent extremists among his supporters in a news source he knows they will read.

It is quite frankly a shocking remark to come from a President of the United States and I can’t believe all Trump supporters can be blind to the danger.

seawulf575's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay If white nationalists are not your preferred new(s) sources, then why do you buy liberal outlets that use their material? If you are that sure Breitbart is just wrong, then why get upset with the statements posted by the OP? These statements come from Breitbart, they were just taken out of context and rearranged by HuffPo and ABC. If Breitbart is so evil and so wrong, why are you upset?

Darth_Algar's avatar

So tell me, what context possibly makes something like this an acceptable statement for the President of the United States to make?

seawulf575's avatar

@Darth_Algar did you actually go and look up the whole response? I’m guessing not. If you do that little bit of research, you will have your answer and then you could actually ask a rational question or discuss the merits or lack thereof of statement. You might (though I doubt) actually ask the question why the liberal media felt it necessary to cherry pick a statement to create a narrative.

Stache's avatar

@seawulf575 and @Yellowdog I read the entire thing so I’ll ask what @Darth_Algar asked, So tell me, what context possibly makes something like this an acceptable statement for the President of the United States to make?

It’s quite scary that you can’t see what Trump is doing.

Dutchess_III's avatar

What response are you referring to @seawulf575? All I see are reactions.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@seawulf575

I’ve read it. My question stands.

seawulf575's avatar

@stache and @Darth_Algar did you go to the original Breitbart interview to see the context? Or did you just read the articles @Dutchess_III cited? They aren’t the same thing.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Yeah, you’re just going to tap dance around it, aren’t you?

MrGrimm888's avatar

I too am interested in exactly which context such a quote, from the POTUS (aimed at his own American people,) would be even mildly appropriate.

Clearly Trump views the nation as divided into two groups. Those who support him without question, and his enemies. Enemies he doesn’t mind repeatedly threatening with violence, or worse.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I know you don’t have the faintiest idea how to research or copy and paste so, once again, I’ll do it for you @seawulf575. Here is the story straight from Breibart.
As you can see there WAS no response. They just reported on the interview but didn’t do it in transcript form.

seawulf575's avatar

@Darth_Algar No tap dancing, but I am done doing your homework for you. You fools on the left go with leftist propaganda and expect me to defend myself against poor reporting. I am challenging you to actually go to the real source and not the cut/edit/paste version your propagandists put out.

Yellowdog's avatar

Thanks, @Dutchess_III for finding this article.

This is what I heard, Trump declares that the Left has been playing dirty (the entire Russia thing, for example) while engaging in activities for which they should have been investigated, but Paul Ryan blocked the charges

Trump declares that “we” (Trump supporters) have tougher people than the Democrats, but the tough Trump support hasn’t done anything, while Republicans are getting run roughshod

.You will notice there are no threats or thuggery, as you alledge—just telling that the republicans havre done nothing even though they have the people.

Here are Trump’s words

You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III I went to that source before I typed my first response. The question would be…why didn’t you cite that source to start with? The whole point of my comment was that ABC and HuffPo DIDN’T list the entire transcript. They didn’t even report the entire answer. They cut out two snippets out of the entire answer to a question and then make it sound like he is calling for violence by the right which is exactly wrong.

Dutchess_III's avatar

” I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.” so, care to enlighten us on what “certain point” he’s referring to @Yellowdog? God he’s a blathering idot!

seawulf575's avatar

@Yellowdog I think you pretty well nailed it.

Dutchess_III's avatar

They didn’t list the transcript BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TRANSCRIPT! Briebart didn’t provide a transcript!

Yellowdog's avatar

Eventually, this will all come to a head.

Keep in mind, it is the Democrats who have used gestapo-type techniques for rather inoculous process crimes, demanding lengthy jail sentences—for crimes that are actually only political. Them there are the endless investigations.

I think when you see the Mueller report, you will see that it has only been to take down a president and contains no evidence of collusion with Russia. Every other report, including those from the Inspector General, have indicated as such.

What will be revealed within the next two or three months may cause you to see the light on what’s actually been going on with the Russia investigation and the dossier

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III They also didn’t report the entire answer nor the question that brought on the answer. And yes, Breitbart did have that. Face it, HuffPo and ABC tried cherry-picking words to create a narrative.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Breibart didn’t report the question either, so how could any one else?

You act like his words didn’t mean anything. They were the worst thing that came out of that interview and that’s why they picked up on it.

seawulf575's avatar

I’ve gotta ask, after our last exchange on one of your questions…did you actually read the article you cited? You didn’t on the last one. Trump said that the Left plays really nasty, especially when they come from a position of weakness. The Right, his folks, are the stronger folks, but they don’t sink to that level. They have the ability to do so and do it with strength, but they don’t. How is that wrong and/or bad? Now, if you only pull a few words out of his answer and throw them up and assign a meaning that isn’t there to them, yeah, they sound bad. But that is how propaganda works.

seawulf575's avatar

Let me ask all of you something. This is an interesting thought. You are all worried that Trump is calling for violence from his followers. You firmly believe that he is suggesting that they start a civil war or some such nonsense. But I did a search and the results are interesting. Other than the original quote that came from an interview on Breitbart, not a single conservative outlet is carrying this story. Not a one that I could find. They aren’t even repeating the original interview question. But the leftist outlets are all swarming with this clap-trap, doctored report such as the ones @Dutchess_III first showed. So if Trump was really trying to call for violence with this silliness, why would it be so narrowly reported on the sites his followers would most follow? Why is it that the sites they consider idiocy are the ones that are really pushing it?

Dutchess_III's avatar

Deflection AGAIN?

seawulf575's avatar

Not a deflection, just a question about the sources. You are the one that opened the question with a highly biased source and now you don’t want those sources questioned? Or the oddity of how only liberal sources are carrying this crap? Aren’t you the one that said you don’t like biased sources in a different thread? Didn’t we have a huge long debate about that topic? But here you are, using a hugely biased source and don’t want to admit it is biased. I asked a logical question right in line with your original dialogue. I think your problem is that, as always with you, you asked a question that you didn’t want actual honest discussion about. You asked a question that you wanted only answers that matched your own brought forward.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m not going to discuss this with you any further. You just dance around in circles and scream until you’re red in the face…pretty much what trump does.

Right after I posted this Q, that asshole in New Zealand killed all those people and gave trump the credit.
If anybody doesn’t think trump influences the insane they got another think coming. I know it’s supposed to be “another thing,” but “another think” makes more sense to me so there you have it.

seawulf575's avatar

Yes you’re right. It is the leaders that influence the people. So what about all the false flag ops by the Dem followers? You know, Jussie Smollett, the black guy that spray painted Swastikas and racist comments and Heil Trump on his church, the Muslim woman that said she was attacked by white Trump supporters at a gas station that ended up being fake, the Texas waiter that posted a receipt that had a note on it calling him a terrorist that he posted on Facebook and ended up admitting he actually wrote it himself (after the customer was banned for life from the restaurant) or any of the dozens of other examples of liberals that fake attacks on themselves? They are using rhetoric that liberal leaders spout and the liberal media pushes. So yeah, one asshole wants to credit Trump with inspiration for the attack in NZ. How many have tried framing him up for other “inspiration”? And what will you say if it comes out this guy in NZ actually is a flaming liberal?

ragingloli's avatar

It really is hilarious.
The people who allegedly faked attacks on themselves, in which no one else was injured:
all part of an insidious, leftist conspiracy.
But the right wingers that march in packs through cities, chanting “the jews will not replace us”, the people that run over people with their cars, send pipe mail bombs to people, that commit mass murder in norwegian youth camps, that shoot up mosques in canada and new zealand, and explicitly praised drumpf prior to their actions, those are all either “fine people”, “just one guy”, or “liberal false flag attacks”.
You are not even conscious of the shit that stews in your skull.

Dutchess_III's avatar

GA @ragingloli. It is ridiculous. If nothing else trump has shown us how incredibly stupid people can really be.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@seawulf575 “No tap dancing, but I am done doing your homework for you. ”

When I say that I have read it assume that I have read it. Now address the question.

seawulf575's avatar

Catch up @Darth_Algar I have answered it.

seawulf575's avatar

@ragingloli you are right, it is hilarious. It is hilarious that the left ALWAYS tries to down play their foolishness. You can’t even see that when you write a racist note on a receipt and then try acting like it was someone else, you are hurting others. You are hurting the reputation of the person you are maligning. You are stirring up hate and discontent which does go on for other injuries. You can’t see that when you form up an armed mob and go to stir trouble with people that disagree with you that you are contributing to all the violence and then you cry when someone fights back. You can’t see that staging a fake attack and blaming those horrid Trump supporters that you are encouraging retribution against innocent people. You can’t see that all your rhetoric is nothing but hatred and evil and you feel justified when the shit you stir up takes root and someone reacts. And you can’t see that when the liberal media takes stuff out of context and tries creating a narrative, they are a huge part of the problem. They are encouraging division in this country and the world which is, at its heart, the biggest problem in the world.

flutherother's avatar

@seawulf575 Don’t blame the messenger, it is Trump’s message that is the problem.

ragingloli's avatar

@seawulf575
Repeating your lies over and over will not make them true.
It is your side that is doing the actual killing.

MrGrimm888's avatar

It’s crazy that people can see ,with their own eyes, Trump repeatedly being divisive, inflammatory, and threatening those who don’t support him.

Yet they believe in some mass liberal conspiracy BS. BS sandwiches, that Trump feeds them. I suppose they’ll never learn…

Dutchess_III's avatar

It’s kind of like religion, I think. They’re desperate for someone else to think for them, to tell them how to act, and they are afraid to question that person.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@seawulf575

You really didn’t. You’ve ranted and raved quite a lot about biased sources, screamed about “leftists” and borderline veered into paranoid conspiracy territory. But you’ve not really addressed the question in any substantial manner. Not that I really expected that you would.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I quit talking to him. There is literally NOTHING you can say that will get through to him, so I quit trying.

flutherother's avatar

He is like a ship’s captain who sees things in minute detail on the port side but is completely unaware of the icebergs to starboard.

Darth_Algar's avatar

“There is no iceberg. Fake news!” – Cpt. Edward Smith

seawulf575's avatar

@Darth_Algar here you go…again. Since you can’t keep up
” Trump said that the Left plays really nasty, especially when they come from a position of weakness. The Right, his folks, are the stronger folks, but they don’t sink to that level. They have the ability to do so and do it with strength, but they don’t. How is that wrong and/or bad? Now, if you only pull a few words out of his answer and throw them up and assign a meaning that isn’t there to them, yeah, they sound bad. But that is how propaganda works.”

Yes, that was my response about 6 responses ago. Geez! Why is it that I continually have to point out things to you on the left? You go off on tangents and when I give you the answers you seek, you ignore them to continue your rants? But then, not that I expect you to stop your rants to actually deal with reality.

seawulf575's avatar

@ragingloli and trying to just call facts lies doesn’t make them so. How about James Hodgkinson? Yeah, you conveniently don’t talk about that. You throw out things like marches and call them violence but you ignore the riots caused by the left. You call up the Norwegian shootings which were by a guy that was all over the place politically and socially and you want to contribute that to the right. His own “manifesto” did cite people like Pam Geller and it does have some right wing rantings, it also calls upon neo-pagans, George Orwell, Thomas Jefferson, Mahatma Gandhi, and many, many more that aren’t in that group. According to the authorities, he was a mad-man. So if it helps your poor fragile liberal mind, go ahead and make him a right winger. But I also notice you avoid the concept that it is the left and the leftist media that pushes most of the divisiveness in the world today. Funny how that is. Just another fact that hurts your fantasy world.

seawulf575's avatar

@flutherother no, that description is all of you. The port side is the left side of the ship and you all have minute details there…that’s all you can see. You can’t even consider looking out the starboard side….you don’t want to admit it exists.

ragingloli's avatar

Mayhaps I should call your demented drivel “fake news”.
Whould that make your snowflakeself feel better?

seawulf575's avatar

Wow. You really are fooling yourself, aren’t you? And you do so by carefully avoiding all the facts. Incredible. But go ahead…fool yourself. Your vain attempts at name calling and dodges really don’t bother me. They do fascinate me though. I can never figure out how someone can go through life like that.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@seawulf575

I read it. It still doesn’t address the question. It’s plainly clear to everyone who doesn’t fantasize about Trump’s ballsack what his statement was, and it’s nowhere near as benign as you want to paint it as.

He has a long history of making these kind of veiled (and sometimes not so veiled) threats of violence. No biggie when he was simply a sleazy bullshit artist who’s most notable achievement was multiple bankruptcies. But as President of the United States his words carry great weight and his followers take those words to heart. Even if there was no malice behind that statement (I don’t believe that for one second, but for the sake of argument), it’s still not an acceptable statement for the POTUS to make. It’s more in line with the words of dictators, who use fear and intimidation to retain power. Not an acceptable statement from the man who’s supposed to be the “leader of the free world”.

seawulf575's avatar

@Darth_Algar Oh please! Okay…tell me what followers were taking these words to heart? Let’s put it in perspective…you accuse me of being a Trump follower. I would say you on the left are WAY more focused on this than I am. I wouldn’t have known anything about it if the leftist media didn’t try blowing it out of proportion and took phrases out of context to do so. I can tell you that I don’t see it as any call to arms. I don’t know ANYONE (Trump followers) personally that knows much about this at all. It is THE LEFT and fools like you that try to turn this into something it isn’t. Apparently conservatives have far better reading comprehension than you on the left because there isn’t anything there.
You want me to take bad reporting by the left, reporting what is edited in a way so as to create a narrative, and you want me to take that seriously and defend against it? Okay, it is bogus reporting by liberal “news” outlets. There it is defended. How about this…how about you show me ANYWHERE that there is a conservative outlet, blog, whatever that is calling this statement one for Trump supporters to rise up against liberals everywhere! That it’s time for Arms! That is the idiocy you are spouting so back it up with some facts. Then, when you decide you can’t actually back up your spew, you will try attacking me or just saying I’m living in a fantasy. My fantasy has facts, your’s has rhetoric. Which is the better one to live in?

Dutchess_III's avatar

Don’t feed the trolls @Darth_Algar. Seriously.

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