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A documentary I watched, called "America: Freedom to Fascism", mentioned an eventual plan for a national ID card. Thoughts on this from the collective?

Asked by Bluefreedom (22944points) February 12th, 2009

This hasn’t taken place yet, obviously, and the deadline mentioned in the documentary has come and gone for the national ID card to be in place but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. There was also mention of a possible tracking device being built into the ID card also.

Take the Patriot Act, for instance, which isn’t the most wholesome bill of goods that has ever been foisted on the American public and it is already something that has caused discomfort and uncertainty in regards to our civil liberties and rights to privacy.

We already have drivers licenses, Social Security cards, military ID’s, and other forms of identification so why would we need more and why would my government need to track all my movements? We are America, after all, and not a police state, right?

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Mamradpivo's avatar

The Bush administration was really pushing Real ID, which would make states share all the information in their various ID databases. The whole thing would have been run by outside contractors. The only people supporting this were the Bush folk and Republicans in Congress who didn’t have competitive elections. Almost every state filed for an extension beyond the deadline and I believe that no states really have any plans to go forward with this right now. I’m pretty sure President Obama is opposed to the idea for reasons of privacy and cost effectiveness.

marinelife's avatar

Sadly, with massive searchable databases, it is practically a defacto reality now.

I do not want it getting any closer.

btko's avatar

It will definitely come, RFID is becoming more and more widespread and it’s possible to see the good and the bad. It all depends who is in control. And, I guess on top of that – if you’d be okay with a “benevolent dictator”.

If all else fails, get yourself one of these and you’ll be fine: RF Blocking Wallet

kevbo's avatar

I’m watching the documentary now, and I’ll probably follow up with more, but what I’m finding really interesting is the factoid that the military budget = corporate tax sum, because I’ve see elsewhere is that it is legal to launder drug money through publicly traded corporations. So that factoid puts another angle on that issue.

Also, there’s another Aaron Russo interview online where he talks about the Rockafellers, 9/11, and chip implants.

Here’s the DHS page on Real ID.

Allie's avatar

Wow. Seems like it would make it a lot easier for people to steal identities. I’d be really hesitant to have all my information stored in some computer miles and miles and miles away.
I don’t know.. That’s just my immediate reaction.

IchtheosaurusRex's avatar

I’ve already got one of those. It’s called a U.S. Passport. However, the only time I need to show it is at border crossings. If I had something I had to carry in my wallet, it would invoke fears of,

“Your papers are not een order. Come veeth us.”

Judi's avatar

They are already putting a tracking device in passports. Putting medical records online is the only problem I have with Obama. I like my privacy to much and I don’t trust the NSA with my info!

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@Judi, is it online publicly, or just on a database? Medical records on paper can be stolen just as easily as those stored in an electronic database, and I would think that there would be some sort of encryption to protect our privacy, much like encryption protects my credit card info when I buy stuff at Amazon. Electronic records would help to save trees, make it easier for all my doctors to access my medical history, and solve the storage problem of all that paper. I think people fear change more than anything. Also I think that if the NSA, the FBI or the CIA wanted to know anything about you, they probably already have enough of a file on you to make you nervous. Hell, they probably have a file on everyone, including the amount of time we spend on Fluther!

ruk_d's avatar

Well we all know the governtment is fucked. where there is service there is someone being served. they serve their wallets and this is there means of protecting that thing being served.

TexasDude's avatar

We’ve got driver’s licenses and social security cards, don’t we?

Even then, I still oppose the RealID.

PacificRimjob's avatar

Absolutely not.

Passports are enough.

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