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What is the collective noun for a group of Narcissists?

Asked by choppersangel (707 points ) October 19th, 2010

Just that really. Having had (deeply scary) experience of Narcissism in others first hand, and accepting my own traits, I see many who exhibit deeply narcissistic behaviour in society at large. It is not pretty, nor very helpful to the wider populace. It’s all very well being able to spot ‘em, but what are they called when they rock up in numbers?

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ucme's avatar

Politicians?

janbb's avatar

Me, me, me, me, me

BoBo1946's avatar

Anyone with good self esteem has some narcissist in them….the problem is when it’s all about them! Totally self centered would be my answer.

Blackberry's avatar

Narcissists’? Or narcissi lol?

Scooby's avatar

In England we call it ‘The monarchy’

Austinlad's avatar

I-atollahs.

talljasperman's avatar

shallow people

choppersangel's avatar

I had a thought after asking, that if you could gather say, 100 narcissists in a room, it would be cool to tell each one of them they are the most important; but, that they have to be kind to all the others, as one of them might kill them if they don’t…

JilltheTooth's avatar

Where’s Jeruba when we need her? I’m sending this over to her…

picante's avatar

I-Pods

anartist's avatar

The Narcissisti—a not so secret society.

bob_'s avatar

A fluther?

Coloma's avatar

Turds of a feather flock together.

gailcalled's avatar

Daffodils
Egocentricists
Idless Wonders
Mirror Images

ucme's avatar

Hollywood!

Joybird's avatar

I would have to say there are different “strains” of narcissism and we should name them each as subgroups. First of all there are two main subgroups of narcissists: people who are part of the haves in either money or talent who have never known anything less than self indulgent privileged lifestyles….and then those who came from underprivileged beginnings who were either sheltered, shielded and overindulged by parent(s) or those who fall on some skill and talent and then feel they are entitled to what they perceive the first strain of narcissists to have. There is another kind as well: impoverished and downtrodden they come to believe the world owes them for what they were deprived of.
Each subset of Narcissist comes with it’s own wounds or doubts about their omnipotence and their own little brand of Modus Operadum.
We all recognize them when we see them though.
“I’m the fairest one of all”
“I’m the richest and always will be”
“I’m the blackest, most talented artist”
“I’m the purest, most talented artist”
“I’m the politician who can charm your panties off you and get their votes.”
“I’m the school Bully who is also captain of the football team”
“I’m the head cheerleader who causes misery for what I see is my minions”
The list goes on and on.

cazzie's avatar

plural : nar·cis·si or nar·cis·sus·es or narcissus

Joybird's avatar

I must answer again. Someone here just told me the collective word for many Narcissists is either French Canadians or Americans. Yes,.... I laughed out loud!

BoBo1946's avatar

@Scooby but, the Queen called off the Christmas Party was her staff…saved $80,000 of her 2 million budget! Big deal…

josie's avatar

Just about everybody in the US under the age of 30.

BoBo1946's avatar

@josie you are very brave! loll

Coloma's avatar

I think hardcore narcissism is a pervasive sign of the times and our societies focus on beauty, success, monetary gain, appearances, consumerism and everything else that causes class separation and bias.

Younger people naturally have a higher degree of narcissism as teens and young adults, BUT…make no mistake about it, pathological narcissism is very high in the boomer crowd.

I was married to a pathological N. for 20 something years til I woke up to the fact that this person was but a facade, an empty lost soul with no ability to empathize with anything or anyone that was not providing narcissistic ‘supply’ to keep his fragile ego stable.

This is an ugly and very f—ked up mental condition and it causes a lot of suffering for those that have been trying to ‘relate’ to a soul that does not exist.

Ivy's avatar

I just saw the global statistics for student achievement by country. The U.S. was 24th (or close to that) in math, and did even worse in science. But U.S. kids scored #1 in one thing ~ self confidence! That’s hysterically funny if you don’t think about how really sad that is. So I think the collective noun you’re looking for is our FUTURE.

cazzie's avatar

@Ivy…. OMG! tears, snot and laughter

Coloma's avatar

@Ivy

Makes sense, considering one huge hallmark of narcissism is a sense of entitlement for just existing and doing nothing but wallowing in ones own grandiose delusion. lol

Ivy's avatar

@Coloma No kidding, but look what happened to Narcissus:) Sheep for the slaughter.

absalom's avatar

A reflection of narcissists. Maybe a simulacrum of narcissists. Or a gaze of narcissists. (There is already a gaze of raccoons, which is cool.)

I think some people may have missed the meaning of ‘collective noun.’ I.e. herd, flock, fluther, pack, colony, swarm, mob, etc.

choppersangel's avatar

I’m loving the general discussion, @absalom has kindly pointed out my original intent. Opinions about Narcissism in general is most welcome, as long as accompanied by a creative or interesting option for labelling a gang of them…! Oh, Fluther fun!

choppersangel's avatar

I apologise for bad English in last whisper, my own self importance got the better of me lol

Coloma's avatar

A strangle of narcissists. hehe

Paradox's avatar

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

Jeruba's avatar

From what I know of narcissists, being one of many would not be in their self-concepts. So I would offer

         a uniquity of narcissist

(Sorry, @JilltheTooth, I was off duty, attending class and having my eye checked.)

Coloma's avatar

@Jeruba

Very good!

I like ‘strangle’ in the sense that is what one feels like doing to a N. after being in their company, and…the way they leave you feeling, like the life has been sucked right out of you. lol

cazzie's avatar

Yes. I think Jeruba is on to something: a singular of narcissus, (as an aside, a singular of boars is the collective pronoun for boar…. get it… boar… / boor?)

JilltheTooth's avatar

Ooh, @cazzie , very good!

choppersangel's avatar

Hmmm, some ideas here are fun, others trying too hard. A Uniquity is clever; however my particular group, or herd, of Narcissists would clearly be unaware of the nature of their companions – they would sooner or later all murder each other anyway.
Ipod is good, if only because it suggests the pack, like dolphins… But the association with the self-loving and disconcertingly beautiful Apple conglomerate must, sadly, rule it out.
A reflection? An isolation? A Lurve?
Enjoying the responses, many thanks – keep ‘em coming…

janbb's avatar

An ego of narcissists?

gailcalled's avatar

Given the origins of the myth…
A reflection of narcissists.

Jeruba's avatar

I used the singular “narcissist” to suggest that a narcissist would not be one of a group.

choppersangel's avatar

@Jeruba – understood, but the hypothetical situation permits such a gathering. As said, if each were told they were in some way most important, they might well be attracted to a meeting or event. My pet Narcissists love being the centre of attention, it doesn’t take much to get them heading towards the limelight. As they do not have the power of empathy, there is little to prevent them having a whale of a time, for at least a while. So, a singular does not answer the question, and the collective noun might still relate to historical reference. What do you call the mass of Narcissists through history, a collective noun referrring to more than one.

Ooh, Iclone..? Ner, but still having fun with the idea…

bob_'s avatar

What about bunch-o-douchebags? Does that count as one word?

Jeruba's avatar

@choppersangel, I thought a collective noun (like those for animals; e.g., a pride of lions or a gaggle of geese, and other such here ) referred to a group that had some cohesion as a group and not simply a plural that took in all members of a generic class.

In the latter case I would happily second @gailcalled classical reference: a reflection of narcissists.

Jeruba's avatar

Ah, yes, all right: @absalom did say it first.

absalom's avatar

It worked!

Scooby's avatar

A pack of wankers! :-/

choppersangel's avatar

Talking of reflection, I’m wondering, as a newbie here in Jellyland, whether there is actually a bit of competitive narcissism in this very thread…

My family connections include one (dead) alcoholic narcissist, with pathological tendencies. One naive and slightly pathetic one, in early middle age, for whom life simply has not given back the worth they expect; and one in retirement, whose intransigence has left a trail of unfinished business and deliberately forgotten shame. All have behaved unbelievably cruelly, or stupidly without apparent awareness.

They do not form a ‘cohesive group’, when out in the world, but as family, have endured and been endured as company on many occasions. If required to ‘pull together’ for some collective purpose (which seems unlikely but does happen), they would, if the benefit were plain to each. The narcissist’s way, from experience, takes many forms; all designed to leave the persona either ‘right’ and unquestionable as such, or untarnished (oh, no, that wasn’t me).

So, I am still looking for a word, as a singular, that describes the group, the collective, the gang, the mob. It would be great if that were poetic and modern, I like ‘reflection’, but it is obvious!!! Sorry to be picky, but hey, it’s my question…

Oh, where’s ma mirror…

JilltheTooth's avatar

@choppersangel : I think the answer may be in your lap as we speak… How about a Clowder of narcissists? ;-)

janbb's avatar

The point I was trying to make in my initial response was that I don’t think narcissists should have a collective noun.

choppersangel's avatar

@JilltheTooth‘s answer had me in fits, I keep cats and they are true narcissists. However, through looking into the word, which sits behind modern words such as ‘clutter’, I am drawn to the collective for kittens, which is kindle. So, many folk are reading on their new found toys… But, one step further, to bring this to something that now has direct meaning for me, the word ‘kindless’ befits my particular narcissistic troupe.

A kindless of narcissists.

Many, many thanks for all the input, if there is more meat on this bone, I have no objection to the chewing of, but now I’m off to write.

Big Smiley face.

Jeruba's avatar

I am full of admiration for @JilltheTooth‘s contribution, which I think tops all the rest. However, I’m still of the opinion, together with @janbb, that a collective noun is at odds with the concept of narcissism.

bob_'s avatar

@Jeruba I disagree. Being part of a group does not imply any sort of teamsmanship.

choppersangel's avatar

I get the impression that @Jeruba must think the question a nonsense, so why bother answering and repeating the same argument, which most disagree with? Frankly, I find that narrow and uncreative. As mentioned, I have a family where the pattern is inbuilt, by default any gathering has included several narcissisti (like that too).

The concept of narcissism itself is based in the myth of Narcissus, but if several narcissists had happened upon the pool at the same time, converging from different directions… The water would have been stagnant with their united rotting dribbles, as each stared pointlessly at their individual reflections. There would still have been a describable and definable group of the damned around said pond.

Anyway, I still like kindless, pronounced like kindness. One visited me yesterday and thought they had been bitten by a flea from my cats. Typical, that they should be so special – neither my husband nor myself are so privileged (nor the cats for that matter).

Oh, and it’s after midnight and I’ve had a bevy or two, so am getting type-happy… Is there a useful term for the drivel I’m now indulging myself in writing…?

Coloma's avatar

Just heard the neighborhood peacock shreiking and realized I never knew what a group of peacocks are called.

A ‘muster or ostentation’

Hah!

I like it!

An ostentation of narcissists.

Jeruba's avatar

I guess it makes some kind of sense to accuse me of being narrow and uncreative for disagreeing with the majority. Not my kind, though, thanks.

choppersangel's avatar

Nothing personal was intended by the comment @Jeruba, I chose this section for more complex and academic answers as much as for the creative ideas that have been contributed. My apologies for any offense.

There has been a slight disparity between the etymological argument for meaning, based on the history of words and language, and my experience of the label ‘Narcissist’. I was looking for and have found, a suitable word (more than one, which is where the fun comes in) to describe real, personal experience. Arguing that there cannot be a ‘group’ of Narcissists is pointless, when they can exist… surely?

In psychological terms Narcissism and co-dependency go hand in hand, many Narcissists are also co-dependent. This is a helpless situation, which still references the mythology, it also ensures their survival. Sad but true. I don’t think I can change your viewpoint, but it would be kinder to at least agree to differ, which I hope we can…?

In gratitude
Debs

gailcalled's avatar

@choppersangel: For a serious discussion, you should have listed your query in the “General” section, per the guidelines.

Finding it under “Social,” one is invited perforce to invent a light-hearted, fluffy, silly, inventive or otherwise irreverent answer. Your experiences indicate you are looking for much more substantive discussions.

I too was raised by a narcissistic mother and I have an idea of how difficult that can be for the child. So, I am sorry that we were not helpful.

Perhaps you might rephrase the question and resubmit it under “General.” I can guarantee that you would get very different answers from @Jeruba (our resident Athena) and others. Are you really interested in just a collective noun, or do your questions go deeper? (Mine led me into years of useful therapy.)

gailcalled's avatar

@JilltheTooth No wonder we ended up with Milo and Zup. A wonderful reward for hard labor.

choppersangel's avatar

aaaaaaaargh!

I have completely lost the original reason for asking this question. My statement above relating to academic input is clearly confusing. I am still new to this site, still wondering if I want to stay and still trying to limit my indulgence in something clearly addictive!

The humour and interest in this thread has been a treat to follow, it was not I that took the argument into the realms of etymology… Athena and her Owl are to be respected, but occasionally the will to hoot seems to have overcome the possibility of a chuckle. My problem is being ‘easily led’ into the serious, so in response to @Jeruba, with whom I have no argument, I have written far more wordily, and perhaps worthily than suits this forum. It was thoroughly enjoyable though…

@gailcalled – I’m sure your comment is meant in good heart, but frankly it feels rather patronising; my narcissists do not include my Mother, she has other issues… and my therapy is my business!

gailcalled's avatar

@choppersangel: Good luck on your quest; I was not trying to be patronizing and certainly talking only about my therapy in relation to the narcissist in my life (who was my mother.)

bob_'s avatar

Dude, things got heavy in here…

* quietly tip-toes away from question *

MeinTeil's avatar

Congress.

janbb's avatar

@choppersangel You are a interesting and thoughtful new addition to our collective…. of Jellies. Hope you stick around and get to know us better.

Coloma's avatar

A promenade of Narcissists

gailcalled's avatar

An Arrogance of Narcissists

Coloma's avatar

I think this is the last time I can spell ‘Narcissist’, it gives me a headache and blurry vision.

@gailcalled

Heh, good one!

gailcalled's avatar

@Coloma: MIlo here; Gail never has good ideas, remember?

Deja_vu's avatar

Group of narcissists?

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

An obsession of narcisists

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