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ucme's avatar

Based on the trial so far, do you believe that Oscar Pistorius is guilty as charged?

Asked by ucme (40437 points ) March 18th, 2014

I get the feeling he’s nailed to the wall guilty, the entire case for the defence seems pretty desperate, focusing only on mere technicalities.
I’m making a rare visit to the general section in the hope that answers are kept reasonably civil & on topic.

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dxs's avatar

Can you provide a link that gives a good description of the case?

KNOWITALL's avatar

Everyone says he is and so far the evidence points to him being guilty. Personally I have my doubts.

zenvelo's avatar

Yes, his behavior was not one of someone who was checking on a possible intruder, but on someone who was in a rage on a known person.

I believe he was in some kind of black out, and not fully aware of what he was doing.

GloPro's avatar

I am confused as to why he thought an intruder would be in the bathroom. Why didn’t he wonder where his girlfriend was before firing 4 shots through a bathroom door, into the bathroom?
He owns several guns and has successfully passed weapons safety courses, which include extensive training on physically seeing your target before discharging your weapon.
Based on those 3 details I do believe he will be found guilty. I think his lawyer is trying his best to just give reasonable doubt to one juror. He has a good chance at succeeding, which would be a shame.

jaytkay's avatar

A neighbor heard loud arguing the night of the killing and Pistorius is known to have fired his gun in rage on a previous occasion. I would be surprised if he’s innocent.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@GloPro That’s what stumps me. Natural reaction is to know where the household members are before discharging a weapon. And like it’s odd that a woman is in the bathroom, come on.

The police mishandling evidence may get him off though, and in this case, it may be one of those ‘you had to be there’ situations. It has happened many times before that a family member killed another family member at night, and got off though.

GloPro's avatar

Not knowing where she was and shooting blind is negligent. If there was an intruder, couldn’t he have taken her with him into the bathroom?
Even with a lesser charge of manslaughter he deserves jail time.

ucme's avatar

@dxs I presume you’re online at the moment, shouldn’t be too difficult to find info then.

ucme's avatar

Seems so far, opinion is pretty much in common with mine. Just comes across as blatantly obvious that the guy murdered her, open & shut case.

gondwanalon's avatar

That guy is dangerous and should never see freedom again. He should be shot in the head ASAP.

Cruiser's avatar

The events that took place are just incredible and the police who attended to the crime scene could not have screwed up any worse. Reminds me of the OJ trial. He will probably get off solely because of how poorly the police handled the evidence.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@ucme It is rare but apparently happens more often than you’d think.

For 2013, I have found eight cases where the wrong person was killed and another two cases where they were wounded.

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/01/how-often-are-people-mistaken-as-home-invaders-and-accidentally-shot/

pleiades's avatar

@zenvelo I totally agree with the black out. I personally believe he knew who it was and in rage yea he did black out. I think he is sorry for the whole thing deep down, but in the heat in the moment he was an enraged killer. This is how I personally justify him vomiting during testimony, it’s been blocked out of his mind so long when it resurfaced it was all too graphic for him.

I mean it’s common sense really.

He “heard” noises in the bathroom and didn’t bat an eye to see if his GF was in bed still? He just grabbed his gun? and went straight for the bathroom? complete bullshit. First thing I think about if there is an intruder is look at my family in bed. Hell I still wake up in the middle of the night and that’s the first thing I look for I do a headcount.

pleiades's avatar

I should add I don’t look for intruders every night! I mean when I wake up at night naturally for anything before I use the restroom or just wake up in the spur of the moment first thing I’m looking at is my son and wife

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

He is on trial? Well, imagine that? There is someone dead, so whether he did it or not, someone has to pay…...

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

Yes, I think he is guilty. His story is lame. Any gun owner knows better than to blindly shoot towards an unidentified sound in their house without checking the whereabouts of the other inhabitants of the house.

Cruiser's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central “someone has to pay”

Tell that to the families of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman’s.

downtide's avatar

Like @Cruiser I am also reminded of the OJ Simpson trial. I’m convinced that Pistorius is guilty as sin but I have no faith in the integrity of the legal system there and I think he’ll probably get away with it on some kind of technicality.

Cruiser's avatar

@downtide I don’t know if you read my link but I was stunned to see just how badly the evidence was handled. The two key pieces of evidence were compromised…you almost wonder if they did it on purpose to help a national hero get away with murder.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^^ Tell that to the families of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman’s.
If you follow the blood evidence it was impossible for him to do it and cover it up that completely. Science is a bitch sometimes, isn’t it?

Cruiser's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central I didn’t suggest “him” merely pointing out that two people were murdered and no one paid for it is all.

downtide's avatar

@Cruiser That is exactly my concern. That, or Pistorius and his family can use his wealth to pay for the verdict they want. Perhaps there was some financial encouragement for that evidence being compromised.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@downtide Also, he is good-looking and people unfortunately tend to associate outward beauty with innocence. As Ted Bundy and many others have proved, that is not a good way to judge people.

Pachy's avatar

His long history of gun violence and rage is, for me, a damaging combo that leads me to believe he is.

OpryLeigh's avatar

I think he’s guilty. If you live with or someone is staying with you and you hear noises in the house surely you first assume that it is them unless they are in the same room as you at the time. I have heard that he was broken into previously and so my only defense for his actions could be some sort of post traumatic stress causing to act without thinking at all anyone seen the episode of Grey’s Anatomy where Owen strangles Cristina in the night because the fan brings back memories of being in Iraq? That sort of situation.

chyna's avatar

I feel that it is really telling that she was dressed and had both their cell phones in the bathroom. Who gets up to go to the bathroom and takes two cell phones? I think they may have been fighting and perhaps she grabbed his phone to see who he had been talking to or texting.
I also think that the police bungling might not be such a big issue since only a judge is hearing the case and not a jury. Maybe he will look over some of the things they screwed up.
Although I think they should find out who stole one of Pistorius’ watches and fire them as the police chief testified to.

Coloma's avatar

Guilty, beyond reasonable doubt. Get a rope.

ucme's avatar

@Hypocrisy_CentralHe is on trial? Well, imagine that?
Weak, very, very weak.

ucme's avatar

I resisted the temptation to equate his guilt as he hasn’t got a leg to stand on…until now.

Coloma's avatar

@ucme No problem, a prosthetic leg can straddle the hangin’ horse just fine. Slap!

ucme's avatar

If he is convicted they mustn’t allow him to wear those blades on the exercise yard, he’d bound over the prison wall like a kangaroo on steroids.

trailsillustrated's avatar

I think he will be aquitted, but I think he was really reckless. He has a history of rage and reckless bahaviour. I was in Capetown when this happened, and I think he will get off because of the extreme fear of intruders that people have there.

alphabetpony92's avatar

^ Yeah, same here. I heard he’s already vomited in court like 3 times. Doesn’t seem like a cold blooded murderer does it? Doesn’t seem like he has the stomach or the conscience to do this on purpose. There was also his plight to get people involved on the night of the shooting, telling them there had “been an accident” of some sort. I imagine that a murderer would be too busy looking for a place to dump the body so he doesn’t get caught. They’d look like they have a lot to hide, unlike Oscar who’s shown a bit too much with his vomiting and calling people to the scene of the crime, etc. I think he’d get involuntary manslaughter if its an option. I agree that it was very impulsive and silly of him to do this, but I highly doubt it was intentional.

Cruiser's avatar

This new story provides some evidence that should put some heat on Oscar. I think he is vomiting because he knows his goose is pretty much cooked and will be fitted with an orange suit pretty soon.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Cruiser Wow, that is cold-blooded. It basically proves she had time to scream because the first one hit her hip, so his excuse about an intruder is a lie.

Cruiser's avatar

@KNOWITALL If you read the whole story you can see he was surfing porn before the killing and the story I would write on that evidence is she caught him “red handed” started bitchin at him about that on the eve of Valentines day….he went nuts…she takes refuge in the bathroom and he in a fit of rage aerates the door and her with lead. It had to be a gruesome sight as in how the ballistics expert testified on how those bullets only expand upon hitting soft flesh tissue!

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Cruiser Maybe, some women get really irritated at that kind of thing.

alphabetpony92's avatar

I see it now. It says in the article that he went on a website called “youjizz.” Hahahahaha. Sorry, he just never struck me as a dirty bastard.

Cruiser's avatar

@KNOWITALL He was also surfing Aston Martin web pages….do you think a new sports car for Valentines day would smooth over any web porn wrinkles??

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Cruiser Probably would have been smoother than killing her!

justified__'s avatar

Based on all the info, he’s guilty. Seems pretty stupid, though, what he says about that ‘intruder’. They should check him out, maybe he was even high. I believe he did it, and his case isn’t very persuading to me.

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