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Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Should anyone do anything about the number of illegal immigrants that perish trying to get in the US, or just say they gambled and lost?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (26879points) November 14th, 2014

It is estimated that hundreds of illegal immigrants young and old perish on the parries and high desert trying to avoid checkpoints like Falfurrias checkpoint, etc. To do so they travel dozens of miles over rough terrain where there are no roads, or water. Even though they are actually breaking the law, on a humanitarian aspect, should water be placed on known Underground Railroad routes to preserve life? Or should the stance be “travel at your own risk, you are not getting any help, if you risk it and lose, you lose”, thoughts?

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Zaku's avatar

It’s hard for me to limit my perspective on this to simply the question of should be put water out there. But, sure, it’d be good to have some water out there. But I expect it would be hard to save more than a few people this way, because they need to travel far enough to get away from where it’s easy to go regularly drop off supplies, and they’d need to find the supplies, etc.

The attempt to turn the southern border into a secure wall seems highly wrong-minded to me. An entirely different approach is called for, but unfortunately, the US government is full of crazy paranoid maniacs who support a ridiculously overblown “security industry.” So many levels of wrong.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Zaku But I expect it would be hard to save more than a few people this way, because they need to travel far enough to get away from where it’s easy to go regularly drop off supplies, and they’d need to find the supplies, etc.
One thing that could be done, is to drop it by helicopter with a 16 foot tether with a huge metallic helium filled Mylar balloon on the end. With its reflective quality and height I am sure it would be noticed by the immigrants off the beaten path. Whether or not it would be sabotage by those so against the illegals they would do anything to keep them out or make ot so hard they won’t try, is another thing.

rojo's avatar

They are people. They deserve our help. Or is that unAmerican now?

jca's avatar

We should pay for direct flights for any and all who want to come to the US.

johnpowell's avatar

They should just open up the border. Folks, we have a real problem here and it is just getting worse. The woman are making way less babies and have been for decades. This has been a huge problem in Japan and is going to hit us hard.

We simply need more younger citizens entering the labor pool to finiance Social Security. Set limits if you must. Accept only 18 to 35 year olds that have a job and pay taxes. Exclude them from any government benifits if you want but document and tax. If they don’t like the deal they can go home.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central The problem with doing something like that is that would also attract those trying to catch illegal immigrants

@jca Now that is just unrealistic…...

@johnpowell I really think this is the best approach to the problem. People complain all the time about immigrants taking their jobs and all this other bullshit but they never consider exactly what jobs they’re “taking” it’s the ones no one else wants. At the end of the day though it comes down to this, people are going to cross the border no matter what is done, the US might as well take advantage of said situation, make them legal and gain taxes from their incomes.

JLeslie's avatar

One option, and I am not saying I support it, is to intercept them sooner and bring them back to where they came from. I’m not sure if maybe people who embark on these trips really know what they are getting into? Maybe they don’t realize how far it is and how many people die. If they do maybe they are miserable enough to take the risk, or maybe they just don’t think they will be one of the ones to die. A lot of them also have an unrealstic idea of what America will be like.

I’d rather work on improving the living conditions and economy in the countries that are coming here, if that is at all possible, and giving working papers more readily to people who want to come to America.

Can you imagine taking the long trip through the desert or on a raft from Cuba and just as you get to the border or the shores you are discovered and sent back? It happens. It happens more than people realize off the coast of FL. The difference is the Cubans are legal if they make it to the sand.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@JLeslie One option, and I am not saying I support it, is to intercept them sooner and bring them back to where they came from.
Funny, during the Cold War that would have been unthinkable for someone trying to escape the Soviet Union for a better life in the US or other Western society. If any person would have been caught after just have climbed over the Berlin Wall (and not been cut down my machine gun fire), I would bet my dollars to anyone’s donuts they would have told the person, “Sorry, you don’t have papers, you have to go back or we will send you back”. Many of these illegals would have been killed had they stayed in their own nation. No one here has ever been told, work for are drug cartel or we will kill you, or kill you and your family.

I’m not sure if maybe people who embark on these trips really know what they are getting into?
I do not believe many have a clue as to how dangerous or tough it will actually be. They are given some info, but I believe the coyotes blow so much smoke up their tail pipe about if they can just get in, they will be OK, that they never know the real truth.

JLeslie's avatar

Some of them do the trip more than once.

SecondHandStoke's avatar

I prefer to think that the citizens of the United States won instead.

When an individual decides to (forgive me) cross that line and commit an illegal act all bets are off. Anything might happen to you as a result.

You made a choice. You now have no recourse.

jca's avatar

I was being sarcastic in my answer above. I think we give them so much already. More opportunities than they have at home. WIC, free medical care (in the form of Medicaid for the unborn), that’s why pregnant women from Mexico stream across the border just to deliver their babies. I don’t think we should make it any more enticing to come here by offering comfort stations in the desert.

JLeslie's avatar

We probably should modify our jus soli policy.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@jca I don’t think we should make it any more enticing to come here by offering comfort stations in the desert.
They are coming anyhow, desert aid station or not. Why say f*** you, your coyote abandoned you with no water and food, just die so we can pick up your corpse, or maybe we will leave it there as a sign to others.

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