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Have you ever fallen on hard times, and did it change you?

Asked by Dutchess_III (46813points) January 6th, 2017

I’m not going to go through all the details of my life, but I will summarize:
I was raised upper middle, or lower upper class. Never wanted for anything in my whole life. I just figured that’s how it was for everyone.
When I was 19 my dad got me on at Boeing, in their Computer Services department. That is where I met my future ex-husband.
When the time came, we scaled our life style back so I could quit my job to become a full time mother.
I fully expected that privileged life to continue for the rest of my life, mainly because I couldn’t conceive that it could be any other way.
And it did, through the 10 years that my marriage lasted. Then my ex left and the kids and I flat hit rock hard bottom for the next 4 years. I even had a college degree in education by that time, but we hit bottom, hard.

It did change me. It was aweful, and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, but it made me a more understanding and forgiving person. It also caused me to donate more than I did, even when we were rich. Not more money necessarily, but more often and in different ways.
It made me a better person than I had been, and I wasn’t a bad person before. Just clueless, and not as quick to help, not as quick to judge.
It wasn’t until I hit bottom that I came to realize how many people in this world look down on you when you’re poor. Complete strangers give you dirty looks when you use food stamps, snub you in disdain when you don’t have the money to give to to something. Apparently, and I didn’t hear this until years later, the kids got some grief over the fact they didn’t wear designer clothes, or top of the fashion clothes.

Do you have a riches to rags to riches story to tell? Or any combination there of?
Are you still living at the economic level in which you were raised?

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stanleybmanly's avatar

Not really. There was a period of some 6 months in my youth when I was broke, but without any dependents, and couldn’t care less. I had a girl who adored me and spoiled me shamefully. One of my finer moments arrived decades later when I was doing VERY well. I took the trouble to find that girl and appropriately express my appreciation. By then she had a lucky husband who (unlike myself) appeared to deserve her.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Financially not so much. With a few small exceptions it’s been steady career and lifestyle growth since I moved out of my parents house with little more than a mattress, clothes, no money and a car with payments. I have had several stress related hard times that pretty much knocked my dick in the dirt.

My parents went from being lower middle to dirt poor to upper middle. They were always afraid of being knocked back down so myself and my sisters were far from spoiled. I Always made sure that I was living well enough below my means to cover any rough patches and this has saved my butt numerous times. I could get beaten down to about nothing in a few years if I ever faced job loss and medical issues that keep me from working. Could happen to anyone.

MooCows's avatar

My husband of 30 years sold stocks and bonds and
made very good money so I stayed home when our
sons were small. The bond business changed and
there were so many different things you had to pay
for out of your check and the traders had their “favorite”
people who got first look at a block of bonds…I could
go on and on. Anyway we moved away from the ritzy
neighborhood we lived in and to the country. Finally my
husband quit the bond business 2 years ago and getting
a $6–8,000 paycheck days were gone. He was bad at
putting $ back as he always felt like there would be more.
Now I don’t have much work experience and we are trying
to make a go of our all natural meat business. It cost so much
to process the cows, hogs and chicken and then you are trying
to sell to cover the processing cost and buying hay (3,000 bales)
because we need our land to have plenty of cows so we can’t
grow our own…plus we don’t have the machinery it takes. Money
comes in on bits and pieces and we have managed but I have a
fear this isn’t going to work and he would spend every penny so it
didn’t look like he had failed. Really trying to be positive and it frustrates
him that i cannot “come up with something”......Very few vendors have
blueberries for sale so that was a thought. Things could be so much worse—
I have faith God will provide.

stanleybmanly's avatar

It was actually the very good times that changed me and forced me to reflect on just how leveraged things are against those without.

Dutchess_III's avatar

But you had to experience both to understand @stanleybmanly.

ucme's avatar

We had to live without the services of a butler for six whole days back in the spring of 06, Pendlebury ran off with our then gardener Frobisher & was never seen or heard of again.
Carstairs was hired in just under a week & remains with us still, those were hard, hellish days but we soldiered through & came out of it relatively unscathed, thank goodness.

Strauss's avatar

@ucme I can only imagine your dismay! But were the rest of the staff just as horrified? Or did they empathize with the ex-butler and the gardener?

Patty_Melt's avatar

Oh, my, @ucme! The scandal alone must have been brutal. I can’t imagine the hardship of being short staffed.
My condolences

Sneki95's avatar

I am so sorry to hear you have been through that horror, @ucme, glad to hear you are all well now.

JLeslie's avatar

I don’t know if my hard times count.

Growing up as a little girl we lived very modestly. My dad at one point tried to work on Wall Street and with 6 months that fell apart. I was 2 years old and my mom was pregnant. My dad took a teaching job at a college and we lived on very little. Still, I never was hungry, was always clothed, and we lived in a decent apartment. We had only one car and so the days my dad had to go to work and I had ballet class my dad had to take the train to work. My dad didn’t get tenure after years of teaching. He actually started a law suit with a colleague, but eventually dropped it. It must have been very stressful for my parents. They had very little money. I’m not sure how they handled it all. Maybe my grandparents floated them a little money to help? I wonder? They didn’t have much very either.

Then, when I was 9 we moved to Maryland. We still only had one car for a while. We walked or road the bus when necessary. The bus was a ten minute walk. There was no train for my dad to get to work, so my mom and us children were basically stuck during the day. Eventually my mom went to work and bought a second car. By the time I was near high school graduation my parents were much better off with money, but I was already practically out of the house. I benefitted that they could pay for my college.

I only mention my childhood, because the OP mentioned her socio-economic class she wa raised in. Although my parents weren’t making much when I was young, when we lived to MD my dad worked for the military so we had free healthcare so that was something we didn’t have to think about. Also, my parents both had college degrees, which goes partly into the social class equation.

When I was in my 20’s and first on my own after college, I was doing ok, making just over $14 an hour, and living with a roommate. After a few months the store I was working in wanted to promote me, which I wanted, and their fucked up promotion track meant I had to take a position that paid $8.50 an hour. I did it (I shouldn’t have) and couldn’t pay all my bills. I probably could have qualified for food stamps, or something, which never occurred to me. After a few months I quit, and worked in a place that I made more money. I didn’t like it there very much, and then I had a few health problems and I left that job. Then I worked for a head hunting company, which wound up being awful, and I still had the health thing going on. It was all pretty stressful. I made very little money, because the head hunting was primarily commission. My dad floated me $1,000. I couldn’t sustain the whole thing, and went back to the original employer again making the $14ish an hour.

All that shit going through more than one job to wind up in the same place. During that time I also had changed roommates, one of which was a drunk, and I was robbed, and I’m pretty sure it was one or some of her friends.

Not very long after that I married my boyfriend and we started building our life together, including our finances.

Everything was going pretty well until 2 years ago. My husband was laid off a couple of weeks after we moved into a new house we had built that we designed. Mind you, we had lost $150k on our house when we moved from TN to FL for this job my husband was now laid off from. Several months passed and he took a job in OH. We sold our brand new house, packed everything, and within 4 months he was let go. We still had all of our household belongings in storage, no house, living in a hotel. We went back to FL, moved all our stuff to storage in FL, and lived with his parents for a few months.

Eventually, we decided to buy a business. My husband just didn’t want to deal with “pounding the pavement” anymore.

The whole thing has been quite stressful and discombobulating, but, and this is a big but I realize, we have never been in a spot as a married couple where we had to worry that we could not pay a bill. We have had times we had to go into savings, which sucks, but we have never been down to last pennies or underwater like I was when I was a young adult.

6 months ago my husband sold his trailer and race car. I didn’t want him too. I told him not too. After the fact at one point he said with wet eyes he felt like he had to having lost his job coupled with the money we were spending to buy the business. At times I see how difficult the whole thing has been for him. It’s been hard for me too, but in a different way.

During this craziness in the last few years I’ve been working in jobs that less than thrill me. Business manager and bookkeeping stuff. I’m not a sit at your desk all day girl, but that’s the girl I am now. The saving grace is I have a ton of flexibility with my schedule.

We bought a house half the size of my last house and I have one room from floor to ceiling with boxes. Boxes I have opened, taken things out, and repacked half my stuff and flattened a lot of the empty boxes for the future move. I have crated items like my dining room table, foyer light fixture, and more, in the garage.

The scariest thing now is our COBRA will be ending in a few months.

JLeslie's avatar

WTH? I swear some of the typos I fixed are still unfixed.

Mariah's avatar

How come your COBRA is ending?

JLeslie's avatar

^^COBRA is good for 18 months. So, I guess it will end in 6–7 months? I think my husband was laid off in February, but I’m not completely sure. I don’t have the chronology filed away well in my head.

Coloma's avatar

Yes, twice now in the last 15 years. The first changed me for the better, this go round for the worse. I’ve been on both sides of just about every fence there is and quite frankly, I’m ready to go at any time now. Not that I am going anywhere but I’m at peace with it all and have zero desire to live another 30 years, fuck no. haha

ucme's avatar

I am quite literally underwhelmed by the outpouring of sympathy from you guys, thank you so very very much & yes…i’m talking to you @Strauss @Patty_Melt & @Sneki95
The rest of our staff were deeply saddened by this double loss, our scullery maid Babs was hit hardest because she had hid romantic intentions for Frobisher for quite some time & had no clue as to his sexual orientation, poor old soul, unfortunately we had to fire her because her mire began to affect the standard of her work & we can’t be having greasy spoons now can we?

Dutchess_III's avatar

I read it ALL @JLeslie! Very interesting glimpse into your life. I especially love the phrase “but we have never been down to last pennies or underwater” I’ll remember that! Oh. Wait. I read, “Down to pennies and underwear. Anyway, I’ll remember it!

JLeslie's avatar

^^Lol. Thanks for reading it. It’s so long I thought people might just skip it. It easily could have been twice as long there have been so many ups and downs the last few years. It also basically skips the affluence my parents eventually did attain (upper middle class) and lacks a description of how hard my husband I worked in the early years of our marriage, and all the things my husband and I had at one point, what my life was like, but I think a lot of jellies know, some seem to even dwell on it.

I’d have to say though the biggest changes are because of how my husband reacted to his situation more than anything, not so much our financial situation, but for him the two are more tied together than for me.

Darth_Algar's avatar

When there was no meat we ate fish. And when there was no fish we ate crawdad. And when there was no crawdad we ate sand.

Pandora's avatar

I learned early in life that richness isn’t monetary. Till today I can remember living in housing with a lit silver xmas tree and going to midnight Mass. Singing and looking forward to any gift I got for Christmas. We were poor but rich in life and love. I had a fantastic childhood. I had parents that loved us and worked hard to put meals on the table and keep us in warm clothes. We never received food stamps but we did get free medical aide and housing was based on my parents salary so it was low.
When I married my husband we could barely survive on his military pay and lived in a trailer. But once again. I had a roof over my head, food to eat and someone who loved me.
He use to apologize for the things he could not provide. And over the years we would get better financially and have set backs. We both worked to provide for our children. When he felt bad during the bad times, I told him I had everything I could ever need so long as everyone was healthy and we had a home and food and clothes.
Now we are doing very well, but it still doesn’t matter to me. Of course I need things to survive, but so long as I still have the people I love. I will always be fine and feel blessed.
I remember still when my daughter was sick and we didn’t know if she would live. I begged God to take everything away. Car, home, money, because I just wanted her and my family together. I’ve also was stranded in a hurricane that was going to go right over us. And once again. I didn’t care for possessions. Possessions and money is not who I am. They help me to live peacefully, but my family makes me want to live and look forward to each day.
I guess since I learned early in life to be happy without things. Things don’t make me happy.

Strauss's avatar

Early on as a young adult I had decided that I wasn’t going to define myself by what I did for a career. This was probably because the two things I loved doing had little potential to be bill-paying jobs. My first passion is and has always been music. Before I believed in myself enough to pursue that, I volunteered at a crisis intervention hotline. I was an active volunteer for almost 10 years, but with no college degree there never seemed to be any opportunities for a paying position.

It wasn’t until I left the security of my hometown and family that I started to realize the extent of my musical talent, how fortunate I was. Busking in New Orleans wss extremely successful…for a few months. I took a job cooking, or other “day jobs”, and the money was ok, but the jobs always seemed to interfere with the ability to play and write music. I decided to work less and devote more time to music. I became the epitome of the “starving artist” stereotype…although I was never really starving. It was definitely hand-to-mouth, and there were a few days when I didn’t eat, but I was devoted to my art, and maybe even a little bit selfish about it.

When I met the woman who became my wife, I did not feel that I could ask her to “starve” with me for the sake of my artistic expression, so i joined the corporate world and got a real job!

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