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christine215's avatar

What are you? see details?

Asked by christine215 (3158 points ) July 31st, 2009

One parent is born and raised in Italy
The other parent is born and raised in France
They marry, and move to China, where they have you and raise you to adult…

Are you Chinese?

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26 Answers

applesaucemanny's avatar

well you’d be European but you’ll be a Chinese citizen….right?

monsoon's avatar

You’re European-Chinese (see Chinese-American). More specifically Italian-Chinese and French-Chinese.

I suppose.

Edit: Asian-American would be a better first example.

barumonkey's avatar

Chinese by nationality, Italian and French by genetics. Identify to others however you choose.

mrentropy's avatar

A mutt.

Dorkgirl's avatar

I’m more in line with @applesaucemanny, but I wonder if being born in China automatically gives someone Chinese citizenship. You may be a European with Chinese residency.

Sarcasm's avatar

Chinese.

jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities's avatar

Itali-ench-nese of course!

christine215's avatar

This is really to settle a discussion at home…

I call myself an “American” it’s my Nationality… I am of Italian and Irish descent that is my heritage…(I’m 2nd generation)

if you follow the above line of thinking, the off-spring of the two Europeans who is born in China would be Chinese… No?

(but of course that is a big IF… you follow that line of thinking)

drdoombot's avatar

I’m the product of a father born and raised in Ukraine and a mother born and raised in Uzbekistan who met in the USA, got married and raised me in the US.

I consider myself Jewish.

cyn's avatar

frenchianese

Harp's avatar

China explicitly does not allow dual citizenship. And in the scenario presented, unless one of the parents had taken Chinese nationality at some point, the child would not be entitled to Chinese citizenship just by virtue of being born in China. He would have the citizenship of the parents (presumably EU) until adulthood, when he could apply to become a Chinese citizen (but he would have to renounce his EU citizenship).

erichw1504's avatar

Mixed breed

doggywuv's avatar

You are a Chinese citizen (nationality) and are Italian and French (heritage).

ragingloli's avatar

a dog eating surrendermonkey?

lloydbird's avatar

You are a, future, World Citizen, with historical and cultural associations to particular ‘Regions’. Naturally free of restrictive, artificial, geographic labels. With an innate impartiality and heightened sense of connectedness. A planetary being in the making.

If you want.

galileogirl's avatar

Per genealogy
No Native American by blood only by marriage-greatgrandpa’s 3rd wife
European immigrants
1600’s English, Welsh
1700’s English, German, French. Swiss
1800’s Irish, Welsh, Swedish, Scots

AstroChuck's avatar

You’d be a European living in China. Even though China would consider you a citizen of the R.O.C,, those in China would never consider you Chinese. It’s a different mindset outside of the new world, i.e. Canada and the US. Here an Italian-French birth would be American but to the French that child would be considered French. In Italy he/she would be considered Italian. I suppose it’s because we are a nation of immigrants that we have this unique mindset.

cyn's avatar

Describing citizenship is just plain weird….
Who invented citizenship, anyways?

mea05key's avatar

You are part of the 6 billion people in the world. No difference.

wundayatta's avatar

Are your parents American citizens, now? If so, then, legally, I believe you’re American. Otherwise, you must be some kind of European, but I have no idea what. You certainly aren’t a Chinese citizen, although you may think like a Han. Though I doubt that’s the way you think, at least, not completely.

Anyway, that’s the bureaucratic side of the issue. On the philosophical side, you are a citizen of the world. Hell. We all are. You are a mix of cultures, but like everyone, your experience is uniquely yours, and that’s who you are, regardless of any label. You may be comfortable in Chinese society and culture, and you may understand it well. Then again, you may not, if you have been kept separate as you have grown up.

I don’t know how much you know of other, Western cultures. You might not feel at home anywhere, really. You can take that as you wish, but I’d hope you take it as a blessing, and not as a curse. You can cross cultures and understand things in a way that few others can. That’s a valuable trait. I hope it makes you happy, too.

CMaz's avatar

Genetically. NO.
If you are a citizen. YES

galileogirl's avatar

At first if you just showed up voluntarily you were a citizen. Of course people who were brought against their will weren’t. They and their children weren’t considered even the same species.

In the 19th century as African American status was changing they were being denied citizenship by laws that were eventually overturned by the 1960’s. The Asian Exclusion laws said that no Asian immigrant could become an American citizen and they were limited in who could enter the US-at first only men with work contracts, no women etc. Native Americans were dealt with by making them citizens of their own territories, like S. African apartheid.

In the late 1800’s-early 20th century southern and eastern Europeans (mostly Catholics and Jews) came flooding in and Americans began to worry that the ‘complexion’ of our culture would change so they put limits on the number of immigrants under a native country quota.. Since about 80% of citizens had UK or German ancestry it was very easy for those people to become citizen. It was much harder for Poles or Greeks so there were waiting lists for them, Since African Americans were brought here before the Berlin Conference divided Africa into countries, it was virtually impossible for African immigrants.

Of course then as now there was a lot of illegal entry but without a Border Patrol only groups like the KKK dealt with it as well as violence against all immigrants.

It has only been the last 70 years we wiped out SQME of the inequities.

Basically immigration and citizenship laws are about keeping people out who are different-legalized xenophobia.

Zendo's avatar

You are black.

Darwin's avatar

No, you would not necessarily be Chinese. One or both of your parents would have to have been granted Chinese citizenship prior to your birth for you to have that from birth, or they would have had to be stateless.

Depending on the laws of the various countries you might be a dual citizen of France and Italy or a citizen of the EU. However, since neither of the parents were Chinese citizens, any child they bear would not automatically have Chinese citizenship.

Anyone having any of the following characteristics is regarded as a citizen of China:
1. Persons belonging to any of the nationalities in China;
2. Any person born in China whose parents are both Chinese nationals or one of whose parents is a Chinese national;
3. Any person born abroad whose parents are both Chinese nationals, or one parent who is a Chinese national;
4. Any person born in China whose parents are stateless, or of uncertain nationality, and have settled in China.

Jack79's avatar

If you’re asking legally, then it’s what Harp said. But why anyone would want to renounce an EU citizenship for a Chinese one, is beyond me. Depending on what language you spoke at home, you might feel more Italian or French, or in any case European. I felt quite Australian growing up, even though it was only my dad who was an Aussie, and I’d never even visited Down Under until I was 16.

aiwendil's avatar

I was born in the US and both of my parents are Chinese. They were born in the US too. I consider myself Chinese-American. I am as American as your next Caucasian American, but I always refer to myself as Chinese for some reason.

So, personally, if it was me, I would say I was European (half French, half Italian). The circumstance that I was raised in might also change things. I would guess that my first language was not Chinese, since neither of my parents are Chinese. My second language (or maybe my second or third if I learned both French and Italian as a toddler and child at home) would be Chinese. And, if I was sent to an International school I may not adopt the Chinese culture as much as a Chinese girl living with a Chinese family and attending a Chinese school would. Yes, so if it was me I would call myself European because the Chinese influences would probably not be strong enough and my physical appearances would single me out as different.

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