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Which is harder life or death?

Asked by daytonamisticrip (4840 points ) July 24th, 2010

no details just straight forward which is harder

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gailcalled's avatar

Using commas so that the question is clear.

CaptainHarley's avatar

Life is often far more difficult than death, which is why some people choose suicide as an “easy” way out. That’s not how it works though. Life is hard so we can grow. If everything were easy, most of us would never mature. I’ve seen enough of death to know that it’s over quickly. Sometimes the pain of life lasts for years.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

i fully agree wth your response

Afos22's avatar

Death is easy

zophu's avatar

Death is a part of Life. It’s all hard.

marinelife's avatar

Neither. They both have their challenges.

CaptainHarley's avatar

In the Army we use to have a saying: “Pain is good because it lets you know you’re stilll alive.” Without pain, there is no certainty of life. Death is the cessation of pain, which is not a good thing because the dead canot act.

wundayatta's avatar

How can you know? We have no information from dead people other than their bodies decay and they never communicate again. At least, there is no scientific data to show they communicate.

So this might lead a sensible person to conclude that that’s what death is: the end of life, but not the start of anything else, other than decay of the body. The person is no longer around. The person no longer feels anything. The person no longer perceives or experiences anything. Death, as far as the former person is concerned, is nothing; not even an awareness of nothing.

Other people certainly do think something happens after death. They have visions of hell or heaven, but these are more likely the result of sleep paralysis than they are to be the result of experience of anything with an external reality. We can safely say that the probability of such an afterlife is nearly nil, but we can not rule it out entirely.

So, assuming death is nothing, clearly life is harder. No brainer. Hardly worth asking the question unless you are a believer of these kinds of fantasies. Or if you are trying to find out who is a believer of these kinds of fantasies.

Although, you could look at belief in an afterlife as a sort of proof that life is harder, anyway. Normally, people don’t think their fantasies reflect real life. However, if your real life contains a lot of trauma or abuse, it can be a good defense to retreat into a fantastic belief in your mind. That is a way of protecting yourself from the mental trauma of a very, very difficult life. Or even an ordinarily difficult life. And everyone has difficulties. So perhaps it isn’t surprising that so many find a comforting fantasy and promise themselves that their fantasy will come true, if not in life, than surely afterwards.

Passionesta's avatar

Who knows…You can’t know until your dead if death is worse

daytonamisticrip's avatar

im talking about the pain of life and the pain of death. being burned alive or freeing etc

Frenchfry's avatar

Life is a lot of work if you want a happy fullfilled life. It’s death that is easy.

Jeruba's avatar

So far I’ve tried only one. I know that dying can take some hard work, but in general it doesn’t seem as complicated, and it doesn’t last as long. Unless you take the view that any mortal being is dying from the moment of its birth.

My belief is that if you live well you will probably also die well. That doesn’t mean death is easier, only that you have acquired the practice and the grace to face what comes.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@Jeruba

As you know, I’m under a death sentance, so I’ve given this some thought. My life has definitely not been free of struggle, pain and hardship, but I was given a very strong constitution which has stood me in good stead, and a delightful sense of humor, which has also helped greatly. I definitely don’t look forward to dying, yet niehter am I overly fearful of it.

@wundayatta

I have given a great deal of thought to whether there is life after death, and I believe that the balance of the evidence indicates that there is. Not sufficient room to go into all of it here, but consider near-death experiences, reincarnation indications, the accounts of Jesus of Nazareth, the second law of thermodynamics, etc.

Austinlad's avatar

Death is longer but life will give you more laughs.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@Austinlad

You’re sure about that?

Austinlad's avatar

@CaptainHarley, the only thing I’m surer about is that death is easy, comedy is hard.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@Austinlad

Sometimes death is easy, but sometimes it’s very, very hard… but still not as hard as living can be.

wundayatta's avatar

@CaptainHarley We each conclude what we conclude from the evidence we see. If we base our ideas of the afterlife on what people in near-death experiences or what religious texts say, then I would be really really scared of dying. The idea that death is nothingness is very comforting to me. It takes a lot of worry away. I know that when it’s over, it’ll be over, but I won’t even know it’s over.

The only thing left to worry about is how I die. I just hope it isn’t painful and I’d rather not see it coming any more than I can see it coming now. But even if it is painful, I’ll know that death will be a release. Now that I’ve been in a place where I’ve wanted that release, it doesn’t bother me as much. As long as my loved ones are cared for, my work will be done. Anything else will be gravy.

This is the first I’ve heard that you are under a death sentence. I’m guess that means some kind of cancer. I am sorry to hear about that. My aunt passed away about two weeks ago from a very fast moving cancer. She was diagnosed last fall. They gave her two months to two years at the time. She lives across the country from me, but due to a fortunate set of circumstances, I was able to get out there, and I got to see her and have a wonderful conversation with her. I’ll never forget that. I also took a bunch of pictures at the time.

Actually, I have far too many stories for my tender age (54) of friends who have been under death sentences. I’ve seen them go gracefully and I’ve seen them go kicking and screaming. I’ve seen them go doing both. When getting really close to the end—like a couple of weeks, two of them both said, “why can’t I die now?” I think maybe the tension of wondering when becomes too much, and they just want to make it happen so they can have control of it, rather than it messing with their heads.

I hope that kind of end doesn’t happen for you or anyone. But I suppose we all deal with it as we can. There’s not much other choice.

Cruiser's avatar

Death is easy..no real effort required.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@wundayatta

I have cancer and diabetes from exposure to Agent Orange while I was in Vietnam for two years. It’s a rather slow-growing form of cancer, so my death will probably be a long, drawn-out and painful affair, but at least it gives them a bit more time to come up with a cure, eh? : )

In the meantime, I refuse to surrender. I have quit smoking, totally revised my diet, and will soon begin a rather strenuous exercise program for a man my age ( 67 ). Death is inevitable, but that does not mean we should just passively lie down and wait for it.

We are obviously two different sorts of people. I would fear death if I believed it to be comprised solely of the cessation of consciousness.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@Cruiser

Apparently you’ve not seen much death. Sometimes death is easy, sometimes it’s not, but it’s often mercifully quick.

ducky_dnl's avatar

Life is harder than anyone can imagine, but it’s because of life that we become better, stronger people. I’m starting to learn this now. I’ll still have some heartbreak, some romance, some tears, some laughter, but it’s what happens I guess. Life is life, but death is nothing.

KhiaKarma's avatar

@daytonamisticrip just curous why you asked for no details. I have enjoyed reading everyone’s details…. or did you mean that you had no details to add?

Both are hard; and both are easy, depending. They are the same. There would be no life without death, nor death without life.

lillycoyote's avatar

When you say death are you talking about the moment of death, the moment the brain finally shuts down or are you talking about the process of dying?

KhiaKarma's avatar

Good question @lillycoyote I was wondering the same thing….

filmfann's avatar

@Austinlad gave my answer.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

some of you are saying you want it to be quick and easy. well screw that. i dont want to die like a wimp. i want to die hard long and saving someoes life. i want someone to live because i died. i want to see it coming i want it to be long and painful. not as a wimp.

KhiaKarma's avatar

@daytonamisticrip I can see the nobility in loosing your life saving someone else, but why would you want it to be long and painful? I don’t equate avioding pointless pain to being a wimp. Not that we can control any of it-usually.

gailcalled's avatar

@daytonamisticrip: Maybe because @daytonamisticrip is very, very young, according to him (at the lower legal limit here).

Blackberry's avatar

Life. Death, if it is not instant, still would not last as long as life.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

not because im young but because i enjoy pain. gailcalled i would like you to stop following my questions please. i may have a body only 13 years old but my experience threw life i more tn most people will ever have

daytonamisticrip's avatar

and by the way im not a guy im a girl

threedimensional's avatar

Life is harder for us but maybe death can be harder for dead people.How can we be sure? We haven’t got a clue about life after death.I am just sure about one thing; life is harder for a person who has lost someone she loves

lillycoyote's avatar

@daytonamisticrip If your life experience at 13 is already “more than most people will ever have” and you have already decided that you want your death to be as long, painful, drawn out and hard a process as it can be why even ask the question? You’ve apparently had a hard life and you want a hard death. You have answered the question, at least for yourself. And you might look into dying from multiple myeloma. From what I hear it’s about as painful, brutal and miserable a death as it gets, well probably at least in the top 5 most horrible ways to die.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

i ask because alongside being a veterinarian i want to a psychologist.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

and yes i have had a hard life

daytonamisticrip's avatar

and you missed one detail i want someone to live because i died

lillycoyote's avatar

@daytonamisticrip So you enjoy, even welcome and desire to experience pain and suffering for yourself, but want to enter healing professions? That’s interesting. You might want to heal yourself first though, you will be better able to heal others then.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

yes thats true

lillycoyote's avatar

@daytonamisticrip I saw that, that is brave and noble, but why desire pain for yourself?

daytonamisticrip's avatar

i taught myself to tolerate and eventually enjoy pain so people cant hurt me

lillycoyote's avatar

@daytonamisticrip What do you get out of it, the pain?

daytonamisticrip's avatar

it feels good

lillycoyote's avatar

@daytonamisticrip Does the pain you cause yourself feel different from the pain others cause you? Pain is pain. You’re still letting people hurt you only you’re doing their dirty work for them.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

i dont inflict pain upon myself

daytonamisticrip's avatar

pain means injuryand i dont wish to cause harm to my body but only be willingto exept it

daytonamisticrip's avatar

how old r u lillycoyote

lillycoyote's avatar

Old enough to be your very young, vibrant grandmother :) Is that good enough? Do you really want an exact number?

daytonamisticrip's avatar

no good enough

lillycoyote's avatar

So, I’m getting some mixed messages here and I’m a little confused. In some comments you say you enjoy pain but in another comment you said that you have learned to “tolerate” pain so no one can hurt you. Those are kind of two different things, don’t you think? It seems that way to me.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

i taught myself to tolerate pain and eventually i learned to like it. but this dousnt mean i cause injury to myself

lillycoyote's avatar

yes, I’m clear on that now. You don’t hurt yourself but let me ask this, and this is just my thinking on it and it’s just a metaphor, but is there really that big a difference between poking yourself in the eye with a stick and allowing, tolerating someone else poking you in the eye with a stick? The end result is pretty much the same. You end up having been poked in the eye with a stick.

Jeruba's avatar

My view of death was changed forever by attending an all-day workshop in 2002 given by someone from the San Francisco Zen Hospice Project. He spoke about meeting death with grace and about how the hospice offers help with the work of dying. If I ever thought dying was easy, I stopped thinking so then. But I also learned something about how to understand the meaning of the process. I think when my time comes I will do a better job of it because of that workshop.

daytonamisticrip's avatar

i dont let people hurt me either. but if someone does hurt me i can tolerate and even enjoy it. by the way there is some pain i dont like. teeth and eyes r the worst

MissA's avatar

@daytonamisticrip I do believe that @lillycoyote was offering you substantial help. I think that it’s easy to feel what you’re going through…but, I challenge you to keep an open mind and heart.

Cruiser's avatar

@CaptainHarley Sadly I have and to me, every time it looks so easy comparatively.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@Cruiser

Try holding someone for a few hours who is screaming in agony as they slowly die. No doctor, no pain meds, just the screaming.

zophu's avatar

@CaptainHarley Death is easy for the already dead, but not for anyone else I guess.

wundayatta's avatar

@daytonamisticrip I don’t know if you are deliberately hurting yourself (for the pleasure of it), or if you are being abused and have no control over it, or if you are seeking out situations where you can be hurt or something else. What I do know is that people who hurt themselves usually do it to cover some other, much more painful, hurt. Usually a mental hurt.

How do you feel about yourself? Are you doing well? Do you think you will do well? Do you think you know the truth about these things? Do you believe you are the best authority about yourself?

daytonamisticrip's avatar

easy CaptainHarley. wundayatta is just trying to set my mind “straight” and help me

anartist's avatar

You don’t actually get a chance to compare them.

mYcHeMiCaLrOmAnCe's avatar

I’ve never died, so I don’t know which is better, or which is easier, or which is harder

daytonamisticrip's avatar

take a wild guess

Justice13's avatar

Life is a bitch, death is a bastard. Life wins, because women are ten times better than men… when it comes to making things difficult.

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