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Is it just me or do you also find Henry Kissinger's thesis on the breakdown of world order scary and quite plausible?

Asked by Pachy (18567points) August 30th, 2014

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Darth_Algar's avatar

“Breakdown of world order” = waning of US influence.

ragingloli's avatar

He is pushing for more colonial empire building.
And neatly omitting the fact that the current middle east turmoil is the result of colonial meddling.
Saddam got removed, Iraq fell to the terrorists.
Civil war in Syria, the colonies supported the rebels by supplying weapons, now Syria is falling to ISIS.
And now the west wants to send weapons to the Kurds to fight ISIS.
No way THAT is going to come back to bite you in the arse.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@ragingloli “And neatly omitting the fact that the current middle east turmoil is the result of colonial meddling.”

Yes. And it’s a bit amusing to see Kissinger bemoan the current state of the world when he himself, over the past several decades, has played a rather large hand in making the state of the world what it is today.

basstrom188's avatar

The US and the western world in general is reluctant to tackle Sunni fanaticism. Isis, Hamas and the majority of Islamic militants elsewhere are Sunni. The reason?
Saudia Arabia who finance a lot of this militancy has something the West is addicted

elbanditoroso's avatar

Kissinger doesn’t exactly have a glowing record for keeping order in the world, himself. I agree with @Darth_Algar – he laid the groundwork for much of what we have today.

You can see his handiwork on display as the US ignominiously lost in Vietnam.

Darth_Algar's avatar


I forget who it supposedly was, but there’s this story of a comedian giving up satire when Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize because the real world was now doing a better job at satire than he could.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Darth_Algar – don’t know who, but it’s accurate. My respect for Kissinger also diminished when he remained such a big Nixon backer through Watergate.

Brian1946's avatar

@Darth_Algar My guess was Mort Sahl but according to this, Tom Lehrer said that awarding the prize to Kissinger made political satire obsolete, but he denied that he stopped creating satire as a form of protest, asserting that he had stopped several years prior.

SecondHandStoke's avatar

I’m sure that older generations have said this about their times but I think it is more applicable now than ever:

Now is the worst possible time for the United States to have a President that has a shrinking, apologetic, pandering and outright self destructive foreign policy.

I say we dig up ol’ Ronnie, throw some makeup on him and prop him up behind the Resolute desk in the Oval Office.

Then watch these petty tyrant radicals think twice.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Yeah, Ronnie’s foreign policy turned out to be a huge success in the long term. Like when his administration funded, armed and trained Islamic extremists in Afghanistan. Good thing that never backfired on us.

ragingloli's avatar

To be fair, the syrian rebels have already attacked UN forces
But to be fair, too, that is the result of traditional colonial foreign policy of supporting whatever dictator or extremist is useful at the time.

SecondHandStoke's avatar

I will agree with @Darth_Algar and @ragingloli that government is notorious for insisting it is the only viable solution to the problems it created in the first place.

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