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Dutchess_III's avatar

What is stopping the US from adopting successful economic policies like the Nordic Model?

Asked by Dutchess_III (42473points) November 15th, 2015

Nordic model.

“This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level. ”

”...An elaborate social safety net in addition to public services such as free education and universal healthcare.

What is wrong with the model that the US can’t, or won’t, adopt it?

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SQUEEKY2's avatar

Well for one thing it also looks out and protects the poor,and the people at the top will have none of that here in North America, the lower class are to be used, abused then thrown away when done with.
That’s the real capitalism for ya, crush everyone who even remotely stands in your way to the top,anything else is just socialism,no matter what name they want to put on it.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

^^Well, I’m not sure it is as vicious as all that, but the taxes required to support systems such as those in the Nordic countries (which includes the Scandinavian countries and Finland) cut into the profits of the wealthy, who make their money primarily through the Borse, or stock markets of Helsinki, Stockholm, Copenhagen and Oslo. It doesn’t mean that they don’t get rich, it just means they don’t get rich as quickly. Most are truly patriotic, proud to be Norwegian or Swedish, or Finn or whatever, and take pride in the fact that they don’t have the poverty and related social problems that they see in countries like the US. The citizens of the Nordic countries have the stock markets of the world available to them as well, including the US, more volatile markets where they can make a killing, but the risks are much higher. It is possible to hide the profits in off-shore banking, but most don’t do this, it’s too much trouble.

The wealthy of the US see this and use every means available to them to prevent Social Democracy from coming here. They will not have higher taxes, they will not invest in their own country through their government , and they are capable of simply moving to estates anywhere in the world if it becomes too unsafe or a cesspool of poverty and felons. They are true believers in the Trickle Down effect, happy to let their fellow citizens fight over the crumbs at their tables. They are not patriots. I think the feeling is, “No hard feelings, but…”

johnpowell's avatar

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

-John Steinbeck

si3tech's avatar

In a word, Obama.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Now, THAT was funny @si3tech! Good one. ;)

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus Tell me it aint that vicious ,I haven’t seen anything that points other wise here in North America.
The lower class are used and abused when worn out simply thrown away, but that’s OK because they really like breeding so there is always someone new to crush.

jerv's avatar

The same thing that makes so many Americans more inclined to believe that fossils are a conspiracy between the DNC and Satan to corrupt our children than they are to believe that our planet is more than 6,000 years old.

Then again, the US doesn’t really have a problem with those reforms; it’s the Confederate States of America that is making it impossible, especially since they have representation in the US legislature. If we just apologized for winning back in 1865 and let them have their own nation, we could easily get those reforms through, though any savings would be eaten up by the expense of having a strong enough border to keep the CSA from engaging in a military campaign to try and get what they feel as “the rest of their country” by force….

LostInParadise's avatar

We have a fairly large group of poor uneducated white folks who either don’t bother to vote or actually vote against their own best interests. Maybe @johnpowell ‘s quote applies.

Dutchess_III's avatar

It’s depressing the number of people who don’t vote, thinking it won’t make any difference. How do we convince them that it will?

jerv's avatar

@LostInParadise I have no doubt that @johnpowell‘s quote is correct. There is no reason to oppose taxes that affect only the rich unless you consider yourself rich.

The irony there is that many who actually are rich (Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Nick Hanauer…) wouldn’t mind paying more taxes; they actually want to pay more!

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