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In "Batman begins", Ra's Al Ghul explains Bruce Wayne parents' death is his father's fault, not Bruce's. Why?

Asked by luigirovatti (2000points) August 21st, 2016

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RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Because Bruce was just a kid.

luigirovatti's avatar

I explain. If Bruce hadn’t confronted his fear for bats, he wouldn’t have exited the theater, and consequently, his parents wouldn’t be dead.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@luigirovatti His father was in charge. Kids can’t be blamed for adult problems. If not then then someone else would have killed his parents. Billionaires are targets.

luigirovatti's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1 Are you saying that fear is an adult problem?

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@luigirovatti No. But responsibility is. Bruce waynes father should have known better than to go down a dark alley dressed to the nines where people were surviving were about.

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Ra’s Al-Ghul is a classical fascist. The basis of fascism is that strength is achieved through unity of purpose, and that it is to the ultimate benefit of all that the strong rule the weak. He’s an interesting foil for Batman in the comics because he represents the cold, oppressive dictatorial force Batman could become if he didn’t maintain his rigid, internalized moral code which (for example) prevents him from killing.* In Ra’s Al-Ghul’s perspective, Bruce’s father was too weak to protect his family and so the fault is his. He regards Bruce as being strong rather than broken.

On the other side of Batman you have the Joker, a classical anarchy-by-the-deed nihilist who likewise represents what Batman could become if he fell in the other direction, using his strength of Will to smash apart the corrupt and ineffectual system which allowed his parents to be murdered. In the movie Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, the Joker discovers Batman’s secret identity by torturing Robin and before the final battle (where he dies at Robin’s hand) he mocks Batman about being Bruce Wayne: “Behind all the sturm and Batarangs, you’re just a little boy in a playsuit crying for mommy and daddy. It’d be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.” What Ra’s Al-Ghul sees as strength, the Joker sees as essential weakness, a view with which Wilhelm Reich would have agreed (with Batman as the quintessential example of what Reich referred to as “muscle armouring.”)

* This is the reason so many people are angry about BvS. It’s extremely clear that Snyder doesn’t have the faintest idea what makes Batman such a compelling, archetypal character. In BvS, Batman straight-up murders a whole bunch of people without moral qualm. One of Batman’s most defining characteristics is that he does not kill specifically because it would be so easy and seductive to do so. If he can justify it to himself once, he can justify it again – and again and again. It’s his self-imposed discipline which prevents him from turning into either Ra’s Al-Ghul or the Joker.

luigirovatti's avatar

So why Bruce is eased of his guilt?

luigirovatti's avatar

To explain, why Bruce himself is convinced that he has not the guilt he thought he had?

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@luigirovatti Delusion. Also an excuse to consider people evil, and to have the freedom to beat the hell out of poor people.

filmfann's avatar

Because his father upset certain people, and he was targeted. It was not a random killing.

luigirovatti's avatar

So? Why does the father have the guilt?

filmfann's avatar

He brought this on himself, by failing to give up on Gotham.

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