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Do you think Andrew Yang has a real chance?

Asked by JLeslie (65519points) January 9th, 2020 from iPhone

I just saw him on The View (the episode was from January 8, you can watch it online abc.com) and I got the same feeling I had when Obama was on Oprah. The feeling was Obama is about to benefit from the Oprah effect. I don’t think The View has the same effect or power, but he had a great showing in my opinion. All the women of The View seemed to like him, and were interested in what he had to say in a very positive way.

Will Iowa surprise the country and vote/caucus for him the way they did for Obama.

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zenvelo's avatar

Nope. He doesn’t have broad enough support.

Darth_Algar's avatar

“Do you think Andrew Yang has a real chance?”

No.

gorillapaws's avatar

No. His healthcare plan sucks.

mazingerz88's avatar

As VP maybe? It might take President and VP combo amongst Biden, Bernie and Warren to get to the WH.

JLeslie's avatar

@gorillapaws Isn’t his healthcare plan to allow anyone to buy into Medicare, but he puts copays in place? Does copay mean deductible, or just a copay like 20%? Does he get rid of the ACA and the subsidies then? I wasn’t clear on the details of his plan.

elbanditoroso's avatar

No. He is a boutique candidate. Narrow appeal. But most democrats have never heard of him, and what candidate can win anything without name recognition.

He has, what, 2% of democratic support? He’ll be gone after the first primary.

JLeslie's avatar

@elbanditoroso It’s annoying that at this point most Democrats have never heard of him. He has been in every debate and making the rounds on several of the national talk shows and news stations. I’m not pushing for him, I’m only talking about simple recognition. I’m just picking up in your statement. I don’t even mean people knowing his policies, just recognition, knowing his name and that he is running. Is that what you mean by recognition?

elbanditoroso's avatar

I mean that if you put 50 democrats in a room – regular people, not super-involved activists – 45 of them are going to say “Who the heck is Andrew Yang?” And maybe one or two will have heard of his plan to give out $1000/month to everyone.

But the overwhelming number of people will never have heard of him.

Compare his name recognition to Warren’s, Biden’s, Sanders’, or even Buttigieg. Even though I will never vote for either Warren or Sanders, I know their names and something about what they are selling. Yang, not at all.

Like I said in my first reply, he’s a boutique candidate.

JLeslie's avatar

@elbanditoroso Thanks for clarifying, that is what I thought you meant.

jca2's avatar

Any candidate needs endorsements which translates to money. I see the ultimate candidate as being one of the big ones – Warren, Biden, Sanders.

I don’t like the idea of giving 1k per month to everyone. Someone who has never worked a day in their life and gets public assistance needs 1k per month that my taxes are going to pay for? A millionaire needs 1k per month that my taxes are going to pay for? Maybe I’m not clear about where the money is going to come from.

JLeslie's avatar

@jca2 I have very mixed feeling about the $1k (UBI). When I first heard about it about 3 years ago in a presentation where I live I was fairly negative about it. I’ve moved more to the middle now, I’ll say in conflicted. I worry about unexpected consequences, and I am reluctant to start it at 18 if it ever did come to pass, I think 22 or 25 would be more comfortable for me. I’d rather see other countries try it first and see what happens.

Yang isn’t taxing “us” to get the money, he’s taxing large very profitable corporations like Amazon and Facebook that use us for data. Kind of like a payment for us being the current free data source.

Warren wants to tax wealth, I have a big problem with that. I think it’s impractical and not going to work as people hope. From what i understand it doesn’t work well where it has been tried, but I haven’t researched it. Just thinking it through myself without the research it seems impossible to do with any accuracy.

Again, I’m not pushing for Yang, like I said I have my own hesitations about his plan, I was truly only curious if anyone else thinks he might catch on and become more dominant in the race.

JLeslie's avatar

Here is a link to Yang’s website. You can just skip the donation pop up by closing it. The freedom dividend is what he calls the UBI. https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/

On The View Sonny pointed out Yang isn’t polling well with the black community, so I wonder if that’s because they don’t recognize him, as @elbanditoroso mentioned, or if they don’t like his message.

The View mentioned that Yang isn’t being recognized as a “person of color” or as a minority. I don’t know if he can use that card anyway. His family was extremely poor when they came to America. He is self made and for sure an immigrant story. However, Asians generally are not given any sort of help regarding minority status, quotas, or affirmative action. In fact, in NYC there are proposals to limit Asians from getting into the magnet schools because people are trying to argue there are too many getting in on merit. I should do a Q on that.

Caravanfan's avatar

God, I hope not. I also don’t like Warren or Sanders. However, I will vote for any of them over Trump.

JLeslie's avatar

@Caravanfan Who do you like? I still haven’t made a decision.

jca2's avatar

My other problem with the 1k is who is going to get it? Is every citizen getting it?

JLeslie's avatar

@jca2 Every adult citizen 18 and up. That’s Yang’s plan. I don’t think people here on work visas or green card holders are eligible if I remember correctly. I’m concerned about young adults having less motivation if they receive money like that. The money can be used for anything though. For college, for living expenses, to donate to charity, anything. I think the amount is way too high. If we ever tried this plan, I think it should be more like $500, and not start until age 25 maybe. Still makes me nervous. I have fear of unintended consequences.

It would theoretically reduce the need for food stamps and other assistance, and so then you don’t have the expense of government workers who evaluate and issue those programs.

People argue that if you give everyone $1k it will raise the floor of the cost of goods and services. That now that everyone can pay more the market will raise prices, and then nothing really changes.

jca2's avatar

Another question then would be what would happen to the government workers that work doing assessments and administering the programs that handle public assistance? Tens of thousands of government workers across the country would become unemployed?

Kind of makes no sense.

This type of thing is not going to help him get elected, I feel.

JLeslie's avatar

@jca2 Yes, I think the government workers would lose their jobs, but they would be getting $1k a month. I think unemployment would still be available in his system, I’m not sure.

Part of his argument is lots of people are going to be losing jobs as retail stores continue to close and robots start doing more and more. It will eventually cause chaos (chaos is my word) if we don’t put in place a program to help adjust to the coming realities of technological advances.

Yang has statistics of how retraining did not work well during previous economic downturns when industries were hit really hard. Industries like manufacturing, and now he points to retail. Bed Bath and Beyond, Pier 1, and Macy’s now announcing they are closing a lot more stores could possibly help Yang. I don’t think he will win the primary, I just think he could pick up some points.

I like the idea of a shorter work week and early retirement if there is less employment to go around. That’s me talking not Yang. Retired 60 year olds in the right environment are very productive. Where I live proves it. I don’t like the idea of 22 year olds being able to buddy up with friends and not have to work at all. I think it could be psychologically savaging to society and the individual.

I’ll also add that 50 year olds who get laid off often have a really hard time getting another job. Being financially able to survive without work, or minimal work in your 50’s is a good retirement plan in terms of safety net. Setting up society for those people to still be productive without a paying job is also very important in my opinion psychologically. Where I live I know so many people who are completely different people here than where they previously lived because of the opportunities here to pursue interests, and the freedom of having time. What I’m getting at is retiring earlier so young people have employment.

Darth_Algar's avatar

A UBI will be an eventual necessity as more and more jobs permanently disappear.

Caravanfan's avatar

@JLeslie 1) Klobuchar, 2) Buttigieg, 3) Biden
But I’m a heathen neoliberal libertarian centrist and the left (at least on Fluther) hates my guts with a white hot passion that exceeds the heat of the nuclear cores of a thousand suns.

I have donated money to Klobuchar’s campaign.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Caravanfan

Poor persecuted you.

JLeslie's avatar

@Caravanfan I’m very interested in Klobuchar. Just this morning I promised myself I would look up her policies. I think it would be smart for the Democrats to pick a Midwesterner. I was really liking Buttegieg, but I do worry he’s young. Everyone else I talk to worries he’s gay, and that people won’t vote for him, I’m not worried about that. I’m totally up in the air though. I named two, but not because they are top of my list, I have no top at this point.

Caravanfan's avatar

@Darth_Algar Wow, you took me seriously.

Darth_Algar's avatar

No, I responded sarcastically to a sarcastic post.

jca2's avatar

Today, NY Times editorial. The headline says it’s an interview with him. I haven’t yet read the article so I am unable to comment.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/15/opinion/andrew-yang-nytimes-interview.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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