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Are the vaccines preventing catching covid?

Asked by JLeslie (61535points) 4 weeks ago from iPhone

I know of so many breakthrough cases I can’t keep track. The latest one was a woman who had her third shot a week and a half before.

Have you read any recent articles regarding whether the vaccines are actually preventing catching covid and what the failure rate is? I’d want to know how they are deriving the statistics.

I still support vaccination, I’m just looking for information to estimate my own risk and what chances I’m willing to take.

Additionally, if you live in a state or country with very low cases, is the community still wearing masks everywhere?

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jca2's avatar

I don’t know of any cases from friends or family who are vaccinated.

Where I live and where I shop (CT, Fairfield County), masks are required indoors and 95% of the people comply. In NY, where I live, masks are not required. Most people I know are vaccinated. Ones who are vaccinated but still leery just avoid indoor gatherings when possible.

kritiper's avatar

To a certain extent, yes. But if a vaccinated person still manages to get COVID, they won’t get as sick or have to go the hospital, like unvaccinated people may have to.

ragingloli's avatar

It reduces the risk of catching it.
It also vastly reduces the likelyhood of you dying from covid if you do catch it.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Stats on local TV channel were people are getting COVID-19 after getting vaccinated but less than 4% were hospitalized. Also 98.6% of the COVID-19 deaths were unvaccinated people.

JLeslie's avatar

No stats so far for chances of contracting it, just the hospitalizations and deaths. I see the hospitalizations and death stats everywhere too.

By the way those are averages obviously. In the hospital closest to me they have been averaging 20–25% vaccinated from a reliable source, but we have an older population here, so just like before the vaccines age seems to matter.

@jca2 The reason I asked snout the masks is because places that are still consistently masking we have no idea how well the vaccines are working to prevent disease, because they are using masks. Those areas also tend to be very vaccinated.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

It’s the suspenders and belt technique vaccine and masks.

Delta variant 2 to 5 times more contagious than Alpha COVID-19.

JLeslie's avatar

^^What I’m really curious about is places with extremely high vaccination rates, no masks, things back to normal, and how many vaccinated people are getting sick, or if the covid case rate is very small outbreaks and dies out fast rather than growing exponentially.

JLeslie's avatar

I found this article about Israel which is very vaccinated and working hand and hand with Pfizer compiling lots of data.

rebbel's avatar

The chances you are willing to take?
Well, take no more shots and risk you’ll die.
Take more shots and decrease that risk by a significant number.

JLeslie's avatar

@rebbel I don’t mean chances regarding whether to get vaccinated or not. I mean going to my zumba classes, being with friends, shopping in stores, risking being near unvaccinated people, taking a vacation, etc.

JLeslie's avatar

@Tropical_Willie When I read that link it basically says you are less likely to catch it if you’re vaccinated. I didn’t really see how much less likely or how often vaccinated people are catching it. I might have missed something. The efficacy percentages were based on the trial information, which I have questioned all along, because cases were lower and masks were being worn in most of the places the trials were being done in the US. Trials were before Delta also.

Demosthenes's avatar

Cases are plummeting here. Everyone is still wearing masks. That might be part of it. We may be wearing masks for years to come.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

We, in the USA, are approaching number new cases per day like it was last November. If you don’t want to catch it stay home; if you want to know what the chances of catching COVID-19 they are increasing daily. DeSantis is making Florida a petri dish for COVID-19 -

The following is from July 28, 2021

Nate Monroe: Welcome to Florida, where there is definitely no public health emergency
Nate Monroe
Florida Times-Union

COMMENTARY | The view from Florida’s hot zone in late July: Chad Nielsen, director of infection prevention at UF Health Jacksonville, says city hospitals are “bursting at the seams” with COVID-19 patients, running out of space, out of manpower and low on morale. Mobeen Rathore, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at Wolfson Children’s Hospital in Jacksonville, says Tuesday marked a high point in the number of children hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began. Sunil Joshi, head of the Duval County Medical Society Foundation, says it’s time for the state to declare a public health emergency. Mayor Lenny Curry announces Jacksonville Fire and Rescue is now helping an overwhelmed Clay County to the south respond to emergency calls.

And there is Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, mugging for the camera at Two Meatballs restaurant in Southwest Florida. “Great food and welcoming environment!”

In the protective confines of his Greek Revival mansion, DeSantis, Florida’s late Romanov, is comforted by sycophants whispering good tidings from the front lines. His anger is not directed at the disease sweeping his state, but at the bearers of bad news who try to refocus his attention on the enormous human toll from a war Florida is losing badly. DeSantis’ consideration is not for the patients intubated, the health care workers inundated, the lives extinguished, but for his personal glory and the after-hours appearances on Fox News that are necessary to nurture it.

Skirting the Sunshine? Florida governor turns to critics of masks in schools during closed-door video discussion

More on DeSantis:Florida governor hints at special session to fight school mask mandates

Skyrocketing local cases:Baptist Health Jacksonville: Number of COVID-19 patients rise by 32 over 24 hours

The staggering 38,600 Floridians who have lost their lives — much like the many former staffers who have crossed him — are simply airbrushed out of the story he tells his followers, and perhaps even tells himself.

DeSantis’ allies demand credit for his half-hearted endorsement of miraculous vaccines, even as he spent more than a year making common-cause with fraudsters, tricksters and worse who have tried to discredit the very experts, institutions and science that delivered the vaccines in the first place.

He was too proud to get the shot in public, like his Republican and Democratic peers did to set an example for others. He gave a platform to and even hired a stew of cranks who believe COVID is overblown. At the urging of quacks, he took bizarre steps, like stockpiling hydroxychloroquine, a drug with no benefits for COVID-19 patients and for which the state now has no use. He hoped to fundraise off jokes printed on koozies at the expense of national health experts.

But you should totally get the vaccine.

This grotesque opportunism and mealy-mouthed dissembling gave permission to the misguided to forgo the vaccine entirely, helping to create the sweltering petri dish in which Floridians now find themselves trapped.

DeSantis wants public health without the crucial “public” part — the part that asks people to consider those around them and not just their own fleeting convenience.

It’s no wonder Florida lags the national average in vaccinations and accounts for one in every five COVID-19 infections in the United States.

As the illusion of a post-pandemic world set in, DeSantis clawed back the data on infections and deaths the state had previously been reporting daily. Information on ICU capacity in hospitals across the state, once easily accessible, disappeared. And now that the data, even in diminished form, shows an irrefutable reality — Florida is getting hammered by a virus he thought had been vanquished — DeSantis simply retorts that case counts no longer matter.

To those concerned about his approach, the governor’s spokesperson quipped that Floridians should simply lose weight to bolster their protection against the disease.

There are no signs recent events have chastened Florida’s Romanov. To stroke his ego, and possibly to assuage his feelings of self-doubt, DeSantis snuck into a private “roundtable” discussion this week — his office issued no media advisory on the event — with a motley crew of court jesters who asserted mask mandates are tantamount to “child abuse.” Never mind that his own state public health officer — who has been as visible as a ghost during the pandemic — once endorsed the rather intuitive science behind mask wearing. DeSantis, in fact, once employed the very lockdown measures he now routinely denounces. But pay no mind; that’s just one more thing to airbrush out of the sepia-tinted picture.
Nate Monroe: Ron DeSantis, once a rising star, is becoming a white dwarf
Nate Monroe: Rhetoric, reality clash on Jacksonville revitalization
Nate Monroe: The view from a Jacksonville ICU, Florida’s COVID-19 hot zone
Nate Monroe: The broken promise that broke Jacksonville
Nate Monroe: “Consumed by the fire”

DeSantis’ negligence and selfishness have put more pressure than ever on local officials whose cities are straining beneath the weight of sickness and death, even as he has tied their hands. In Florida, communities no longer get to decide the conditions under which they feel the safest, or how to best protect children. No, Darwinism for all: No public health mandates; no proof of vaccine necessary; masks are optional but preferably non-existent. May the strongest among you survive. This is paradise after all, where there is definitely no emergency.

Come on in, the water’s fine.

Nate Monroe’s City column appears every Thursday and Sunday.

rebbel's avatar

@JLeslie Ah, I see, I misunderstood then, my bad.

JLeslie's avatar

@Tropical_Willie I live in Florida and created and manage a covid facebook group for my city that I update weekly with statistics, and we all post pertinent articles. Members alert others when they have breakthrough cases, when they hear of a death. We have someone who has a connection to the hospital who gets statistics for us when she can. We have doctors and nurses who work in our offices and hospitals here. People post what businesses they feel are “safe” or not taking precautions, I am immersed in Florida covid statistics and local statistics and real life stories constantly.

Your answer does not answer my question, not that I mind it, but your answer is a typical left bias answer about the exploding cases in Florida. I am very upset DeSantis is saying counties, cities, schools, and even businesses can’t make rules for safety for themselves. He completely supported localities doing it all last year, although he received no credit for it from the left, so why should he bother doing it now? Did you know he supported mask mandates and curfews at the county and city level all last year? Now, he is playing to his crazy base even more than before. It is VERY frustrating, but also know that schools in many counties don’t give a damn what he says and are requiring masks for the children.

Just yesterday someone told me they were in Orlando and masks everywhere, as opposed to where we live where there is much less mask wearing. The Mayor of Orange County (where Orlando is) was on the TV constantly over the summer. almost daily for a while, asking residents to wear masks and asking businesses to require them, and many did comply.

Where I live most people take covid seriously and my city is extremely vaccinated. Estimates have been over 80% and I think that is correct, but the surrounding area is not as vaccinated as we are and they work in our stores, restaurants, recreation centers, and doctor’s offices of course. Also, the young grandkids are not vaccinated and they come here all summer long. It’s not all of Florida is exactly the same. We had 34% positivity rate in some counties near the northern border of the state! While other counties more south were 15%. Both bad, but still a big difference.

Meanwhile, I still want to know my risk. Let’s say there are ten people in a room and one has covid and all of the other nine are vaccinated, what is the chance the other nine get sick? I want to know because I am vaccinated.

@rebbel No problem.

@Demosthenes Of course it is the masks. The masks have proven over and over again to be effective, so we have no idea how much effect the vaccinations are taking where you live. Cases are starting to go down in Florida. Finally, school started and the tourists have gone back home. I figure Florida will go into a lull now, but cases will never be as low as states that are taking more precautions. Some counties are really terrible and some not as much.

seawulf575's avatar

I don’t think you will find actual stats on this one. The CDC stopped reporting “cases” as being someone that contracted Covid. They started counting only those that result in hospitalization or death. They are apparently still tracking cases (as people catching the disease), but they aren’t releasing that data. Likewise, no one is really discussing natural immunities…those that people have from getting the disease and getting over it without the vaccine. What you really have right now is the Minitrue telling you what they want you to hear, not what is all the facts.

Initially the vaccines were touted as being a preventative measure against catching Covid. But then breakthrough cases started happening. So the story changed that it didn’t stop you from catching the disease, but that you couldn’t spread it. Now we know that was wrong as well. So now the story is that it helps you minimize the severe symptoms. So no, the vaccines are not preventing catching covid. They are not preventing spreading covid. But you will not find actual stats to tell you how prevalent it all is.

smudges's avatar

@JLeslie Meanwhile, I still want to know my risk. Let’s say there are ten people in a room and one has covid and all of the other nine are vaccinated, what is the chance the other nine get sick? I want to know because I am vaccinated.

Good luck with finding that answer. I seriously doubt anyone, including Fauci, et al. know.

JLeslie's avatar

It might be preventing cases, but just not as much as we had hoped. Without data it’s hard to know. 10% of people vaccinated is 18,000,000 people so it would be easy to know a lot of people with breakthrough cases even if the failure is just 10%.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Here is 5 things not to do with Delta variant being the cause of most CIVID-19 cases.

jca2's avatar

I’m betting the data is somewhere, perhaps in multiple places, in parts, and can be researched and compiled by someone who has access to it (Dept of Health and Human Services or CDC) but won’t be made readily available to the general public.

JLeslie's avatar

@jca2 Yes, I assume someone or some entity is collecting the data.

@Tropical_Willie Nothing has really changed in terms of high risk activities. The virus still transmits the same way, just more contagious. I haven’t eaten indoors since I started hearing about breakthrough from friends where I live two months ago. I stopped shopping in stores for several weeks, but back to doing it a little now. Just started going back to some zumba again, which I think is the riskiest thing I do. I live in FL so I can’t avoid that unless I go to be with my husband, but the state he is in is worse right now. He’s in TN. So, I’m staying here for now.

janbb's avatar

I’ve heard of three or four breakthrough cases in the last few months. They have not been severe or needed hospitalization but naturally, one doesn’t want to get it. I did get a booster shot a few weeks ago but I still walk the line between less and more caution.

jca2's avatar

I just read that Chris Rock has Covid, and he got the J&J vaccine, making it a breakthrough case.

JLeslie's avatar

It’s crazy they consider J&J “fully vaccinated” when the efficacy is about the same as one mRNA shot. You know a recommendation for a second J&J or switching to mRNA is coming down the pike, I don’t understand what is taking so long.

I do think even having one of any of the vaccines is better than nothing.

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