Is there a specific Yiddish or Hebrew word for food that is kosher for Passover?

I think it is Halachah? But, I would wait for someone else to verify.

kasher l’Pesach , I believe. Literally, “kosher for Passover”.

biurhametz is another important term- the ritual burning of all leavened food in the house, part of the whole Passover deal, but that’s the process by which you get rid of leavened food, not the remaining food. However, when getting rid of all the leavened stuff, the utensils used for hametz(leavened goods) are themselves also considered hametz and cannot be used, unless they are made, to use the phrase from above, kasher l’Pesach, kosher for Passover.

Actually, funny story: biurhametz (the need to burn leavened goods) applies to all Jewish-owned businesses as well. This is a huge logistical problem. To get all of the bread out of every supermarket for a week would be ridiculously expensive.

So every year, the Rabbinic Council of Isreal gets all of the big supermarkets, and even a lot of its richer flock, to give over ownership of their leavened food. The Council then finds a helpful Arab guy and, I kid you know, enters into a contract with him to buy all of Israel’s leavened bread. During passover, the bread stays in all of the warehouses and stuff that it normally would, because “he hasn’t come to pick it up yet.”

The Arab guy, of course, never does pick any of “his” bread up, and defaults on the contract at the end of the week, and all the bread-ownership is returned.

The same random Arab guy has been doing this for like 30 years, as a service to his Jewish friends, as he has been a friend of the community since, like, forever.

See, the Jews and the Moslems can get along. Or, maybe he is Christian? Still, good story.

He’s Muslim, but if I recall, ironically, loves the taste of matzah as an every-once-in-a-while treat.

The story was on This American Life a couple of years ago.

@aphilotus It may interest you to know that in the large Orthodox communities here in New York State (the various sects of Chasidim) similar contracts have been developed between Jews and Gentiles going back to the beginning of the 20th Century.

I don’t know, but I speculate that it might be so wherever there are a sufficient number of Jews with this particular need.

Not only for passover, but just for the sabbath various things are done to accommodate observant Jews. Including sabbath elevators in hospitals and even some apartment buildings (which I think is ridiculous) and it is a long standing tradition to hire or make deals with non-jews to take care of tasks that need to be carried out, but can’t be by Jewish people on the sabbath, similar to what @pdworkin mentioned above.

Yes indeed, the well-known New York phenomenon of the Shabbos Goy.

My grandfather first learned Yiddish because as the child of the lone Gentile family in their building in Brooklyn he earned spending money stoking the furnace and running errands on Saturdays for the rest of the tenants.

@pdworkin Another addendum: Outside of Israel, there are actually only three majority-Jewish neighborhoods that are within the city limits of the metropolitan areas they are in, rather than being suburbs.

Brookyln, New York City, New York
Some neighborhood in Sydney, Australia.
and Squirrel Hill, Pittsburgh, PA, where I live (though I’m a gentile)

Every other large Jewish population center is a suburb.

Also, Squirrel Hill has an eruv (a continuous wire demarking the community as a single domain for the purposes of, say, carrying things (like your wallet) around on Saturdays) and that is awesome.

All of NYC has an eruv. We have a dispensation to use telephone lines. It expands the meaning of the notion of “common carrier”. A group of Rabbis must constantly inspect it for breaks, I guess so the Eruvation doesn’t leak.

The word in Yiddish that you are looking for is pronounced something like (and this is probably an incorrect spelling) Pesadiche, meaning appropriate for Passover. I have transliterated the word from my memory of my grandparents’s Yiddish, although the word is still in use amongst many Jews.

Today is not the best day to ask this question as the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah, the beginning of the year 5770, began on Friday night and will run through sundown on Sunday. Many observant Jews will not use the computer – or any other electrical devices – on a holiday,

@JLeslie – the Shabbos elevator is not ridiculous if you are 75 years old and live on the 14th floor and won’t violate the Sabbath by “making a spark” or connecting an electrical circuit. The alternative is 14 flights of stairs. I have cousins in Toronto in one of these buildings who moved there specifically for that feature. It is a modification to a modern convenience made so that one can observe an ancient tradition.
This is the reason for the invention of the device that turns on your crockpot when you want dinner to start and you can’t turn the switch, or the device that turns your lights on and off, – thereby discouraging a burglary AND allowing people to observe the Sabbath.

SRM

I have friend who is married to a non-Jew. She introduces him routinely as her “Shabbos Goy.” He doesn’t seem to mind.

Shana tova umetukah; Sweet and happy New Year to the appropriate Flutherers.

@JLeslie Halachah literally translates to mean the law. It refers to the entirety of Jewish law.

As for the leavened bread thing, I sell my chometz every year. Sometimes to friends, sometimes through a Rabbi. It is mandatory in the orthodox community.

The Yiddish Policeman’s Union had an interesting character named Zimbalist who was in charge of keeping the eruvs kosher in the fictional town of Sitka, Alaska. He had a crew that functioned like firemen: running out to fix problems as if it was a life and death emergency.

In Israel, it is traditionally sold to a man from the Arab village of Abu Gosh, dating back to the War of Independance when they decided not to side with the Arabs and stay neutral. Best hummus restaurants in Israel, if you visit, are at Abu Gosh.

@pdworkin @aphilotus

Shana Tova and Gmar Hatima Tova (kosher) jellies (that’s an oxymoron isn’t it; jellyfish aren’t kosher, right?)

@Zen; We jellies do not have to be orthodox, just Jewish, nu? The Jewish Jellies may possibly winter in Florida.

@drdoombot that sounds right Halachah means the law, so it governs all of the kosher rules? I thought I might be off there.

@srmorgan Great point about this being bad timing to ask a Jewish question, many people will not be online.

Also, the reason I think the sabbath elevator is ridiculous is because God will understand that someone needs an elevator to go up 14 floors, and, God forbid, to visit a sick relative or friend in the hospital—come on! The way I understand God in judaism is God understands a break in the laws of Judaism for health reasons, and I would believe for reasons of love and caring for sick relatives. When these laws were created there were not building 20 stories high, to apply the rules so literally makes no sense, and I pride myself as a Jews as caring about logic. In NY there are apartment buildings where everyone is Jewish, so ok, if they want an elevator that stops on every floor it is reasonable. But in a hospital? And, you can’t go and visit a friend on Saturday if they live on the 20th floor in a building without a sabbath elevator? My sister is a nurse in NYC, and if the discharge doesn’t happen early enough on Friday the family would rather leave their relative in the hospital, because they can’t get back in time for Friday night. I find that upsetting, and by the way if they are on medicare we all pay for that additional day or two.

An orthodox woman who worked for me, who loved her synogogue, loves her religion, and does many things with her friends from there, so she looks forward to seeing them every week for services, had a bad knee injury while I knew her. She could not walk for services, because it became incredibly painful, so she chose not to go. When she was telling me this it had been weeks since the last time she could attend. I think God would understand she needed to drive. She preferred not to go to temple than drive there. It makes no sense, and any of her friends who would have ridiculed her for driving make no sense.

@gailcalled You imply maybe that to be kosher is to be orthodox? Nu. I eat kosher, and I’m typing this on the Sabbath. Can we answer a question with a question better than anyone else? You tell me?

Lurve (K)

I will keep Kosher as soon as there is a brucha for bacon.

@Zen; In general, the people I have known who kept kosher were both orthodox and conservative. I had forgotten that.

@pdworkin: My former in-laws solved that problem by eating bacon and lobster outside the home only. Go figure.

Two Jews, three opinions. Did someone already mention frum here?

My mom kept a kosher home, but secretly loved scampi in restaurants. I no longer keep k.

@pdworkin Bore pri habacon?

@Zen :Dayenu.

Anyone go to shul to hear the shofar or have you just been kibitzing on fluther all weekend?

@gailcalled conservatives usually, although it varies, usually keep kosher only at home, when they go out they don’t worry about it. Many conservatives still do not eat shellfish and pork at all, but some do. A girlfriend of mine, when she moved to Memphis joined a reformed synogogue for the first time in her life (she was in her late 40’s and had been raised going to conservative temples, and went to one her entire adult life, but did not keep kosher herself). Anyway, she joins this reformed temple, and one of the things she said she liked about it was she didn’t have to hide that she eats shrimp and bacon. She said she never even thought about joining a reformed synogogue, didn’t think about it.

@Zen: It wasn’t blown yesterday because it was the Sabbath, sadly.

I used to be in a women’s group (Rosh Hodosh).At one meeting we tried out the shofar. Most of us created only wind and spit.

Kibitz.

Today we will hear the Shofar and go to Tashlich. Yesterday there was no Shofar on account of because Shabbat.

It’s 21:00 here.

@JLeslie That’s very interesting. I was raised Orthodox but hardly keep anything now, besides kosher, Passover, fast days and anything related to money on Shabbat. I do like to eat Chinese and Mexican food when out, but keep a completely kosher home. I’ve wondered if maybe I need to give up on my lapsed orthodoxy and go Conservative instead. The thing is, there’s a part of me that thinks it’s better to be a non-observant Orthodox than a totally observant Conservative. There’s certainly a stigma in the Orthodox community against Jews that are “other.”

@JLeslie
Two comments – there are accomodations to 21st century life, but they are limited. My friend belongs to an Orthodox synagogue in Maryland and sometimes a beeper will go off when he is at Shabbos services. The beepers alert physicians that they need to call in and the exception is permitted as the objective is to save a life. To save a life, any restriction can be broken.

It should be noted that the Jewish Sabbath is “holier” than any holiday and the Sabbath restrictions sometimes “override” other rules in Judaism. Maybe override or overrule are not the right words but here is an example. Yom Kippur will never begin on the evening when the Sabbath ends. The holiday is celebrated one day later according to the Jewish calendar. Why? Yom Kippur is a fast day and the traditional break-fast meal, at the end of the fast, is a big meal. In North America this is usually a meatless or dairy meal and it takes time to prepare.Since one may not cook on the Sabbath, the break-fast meal and the meal before the fast begins could not be prepared in advance. Therefore the holiday is delayed by one day.

The rules of Halacha sometimes astound me, there seems to be no logic behind the law. For example, one may not mix linen and wool in woven cloth or in a single garment! Why!, I have no idea. We may only eat food from the ocean that has fins and scales, hence the perennial argument about how to classify shark. Does it or does it not have scales?

@gailcalled – I have used that point about two Jews, three opinions so many times with my non-Jewish colleagues…..
Is there a source for that, like Don Rickles or maybe Myron Cohen or even Groucho Marx?

SRM

@srmorgan I respect the sabbath rules and the desire to follow them. I think it is a wonderful tradition that even if you are not relgious is nice to follow, the idea of focusing on your family and leaving all work and money transactions aside for a day is something probably many American families should try. But some rules were created in a time that it was impossible to predict what life would be like in NYC in 2009. The hospital example drives me crazy. Not sure if you looked at my post on the other thread, but orthodox Jews will leave their relative in the hospital another day or two, if the hospital has not been able to discharge them early enough on Friday to account for gettign back in time to their homes to start the sabbath. I have always believed that health related issues are an exception that Jewish law permits, and that God would understand. Leaving your elderly mother or child in the hospital another day is awful to me, and if you are unable to visit even more upsetting. It affects the health of the hospitalized that they are without their family in my opnion. I don’t think God would support this idea. In our own civil secular laws, we analyze the wording, but then we also question what the spirit of the law was when created. That it may start to be misapplied, because of the specific wording and creativeness of lawyers, but as we move away from the original intent, it needs to be questioned.

@drdoombot Hmm. But, it sounds like you go to services and feel comfortable at the orthodox synogogue and the community you live in. And, it also sounds to me that you “identify” as being orthodox. I don’t know what I would do. It would be hard for me to change I think, so I understand your reluctance. My girlfriend was kind of forced because she moved to a different state. I guess you could check out a few conservative synogogues if you are curious.

You might be interested in this: my husband, who is Jewish, his family says that there really is not a reformed and conservative movement in Mexico. All Jews who break the dietary laws when out, are orthodox and breaking the rules, but MANY of them do it. I am not 100% sure this is accurate, that you can’t find reformed and conservative Jews in Mexico, or if his father was just raised in an orthodox home and had little knowledge of what else was out there? He says in America it is so different. Also, you might know the Sephardic and Ashkenazi have different dietary laws, and so you can be orthodox, follow the rules, and be breaking the rules all at once.

In NYC and Boca Raton, FL you can find kosher Chinese restaurants, to help with this problem.

@srmorgan – From the standpoint of a biologist, I can tell you unequivocally that sharks do have scales. What they don’t have are teeth and bones. Their “bones” are all made of cartilage, and their “teeth” are actually scales.

@JLeslie – While the seeds of both Reform and Conservative Judaism began in Germany, neither blossomed until the German reformers made it to the USA. Thus, Conservative and Reform congregations are more formally recognized here rather than in other countries. And actually, the original American Reform congregations were quite a bit more liberal than Reform congregations are today.

Most of the Jews in Central and South America (but not all) are descendants of Spanish Jews who left so as not to either face the Inquisition or be forced to convert to Christianity. Thus the German movements had a much less effect on Judaism in those countries.

I visited the first Reform synagogue in the USA a few years ago. It is in Charleston, South Carolina, a city which was formed on the basis of religious freedom, unlike other US settlements that were formed on the basis of freedom from someone else’s religion.

@darwin thank you for that history. I had wondered if it had to do with Mexico being mostly populated by Sephardic Jews. It’s still weird to me that my husband doesn’t know what a nosh or shmata is.

Yes! So strange! My fiance knows no Yiddish, and she pronounces Hebrew much differently than I. A Sfard named Vicky! Hahaha!

@pdworkin LOL. My husband’s parents are Catholic, his father attends Catholic church with his wife, and raised their children Catholic. At my wedding I had both dads do the blessing. My father needed a cheat sheat, and my father-in-law the practicing Mexican Catholic rattled it off from the top of his head. The quirky thing is my father-in-law goes to the orthodox temple on Yum Kippur to pray for his parents who have passed away.

We tend to be a bit insular in the US. So many of the Jewish settlers here were German that we tend to assume that all Jews speak Yiddish, and that all Jews speak the form of Yiddish associated with German. It is quite noticeable in Venezuela, where there are a number of Sephardic Jews that came to avoid the inquisition, plus many Ashkenazi Jews who came over in the 1850s to avoid problems in Europe, and also Jews who came in the 1930’s to avoid the Nazis.

@Darwin I just had not thought about it until I started dating my husband. I knew where Yiddish was spoken, just had never put 2 and 2 together. And, in NY and FL in fashion, which was wear I worked everyone knows the commonly used Yiddish words whether you are Jewish or not. A lot of people think they are English, maybe some have been accepted into our dictionary by now?

I wish I could speak Ladino. I do have a ton of Sephardic recipes. We always make Sephardic charoset, and stuff.

@pdworkin That old Tom Hanks movie, I think it is called Every Time We Say Goodbye, it takes place in Israel, I guess maybe they were speaking Ladino? I didn’t know that term. The Spanish they speak in the movie is not like modern Spanish. Nice movie.

boy, there is a lot to answer here.
@JLeslie
I just finished a book called Hospital by Julie Salamon who spent a year at Maimonides Hospital in Borough Park, Brooklyn. The hospital serves the Chasidic community, Orthodox Jews, Pakistani Muslims, Chinese, Indian and any number of other ethnic groups. The hospital is kosher, the Sabbath rules are observed.

Chasidic patients are brought in on the Sabbath, treated and discharged from the ER on the Sabbath, but they are not discharged from the hospital unless they can walk home or the “save a life” doctrine can be observed. Following tradition is more important than saving dollars. I am not justifying it, just explaining the logic behind it.

It is a good read, took me only two nights to finish.

As to fashion, I worked for Izod Lacoste in the late 70’s and early 80’s, during the heyday of the Preppie look. Oddly enough the company was owned by General Mills, the Minneapolis cereal and flour manufacturer. Our colleagues in the Twin Cities were rather annoyed each year when the entire company closed on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, holidays in the garment district, but certainly not observed in Minnesota.

As to “analyzing the wording”, the study of Torah and the Talmud contains a concept called Pilpul, for which the English equivalent would be splitting hairs. Talmudic discussion is simple commentary or complicated arguments and interpretation of both weighty and trivial matters. It is not unlike legal opinions where the results of a decision might hinge on the placement or misplacement of a comma or a semi-colon,

As Gail mentioned, two Jews, three opinions.

One can find Kosher chineses residents in most metropolitan areas with Orthodox Jewish populations like Washington DC & environs, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco and I dined in one in Toronto while on a business trip several years ago.

@dworkin – I question your comment that most Jews in South and Central America are descendants of Sephardis fleeing the inquisition. First off, Jews were expelled from places like Brazil in the 1600’s as a result of the spread of the Inquisition from from Portugal to the colonies.
In fact, the first Jews in North America had been expelled from Portugese Brazil in 1654, made an interim stop somewhere that I don’t recall and ended up in New Amsterdam where the Governor-General, Peter Stuyvesant, did not want them to remain in the colony and wanted to send them up to Providence, a somewhat more tolerant place than New Amsterdam. He was overruled by the Dutch West India company, his employer, because the Jews represented additional commercial influence and this was in keeping with the objectives of the company. Unlike many of the British colonies like Plymouth, Massachusetts Bay, Providence, Baltimore and Philadelphia which were founded with religious backing and influence, New Amsterdam was dedicated to commerce.

The first Jews in North Carolina were here in my adopted home, Wilmington NC. Wilmington, like Charleston and Savannah which also had sizeable early Jewish populations, is a commercial maritime port and Jews lived anywhere where there was trade involved.

To my mind, the large Jewish populations in Central and South America grew at the same time as the great migrations into North America: 1848 from Germany, the period 1880 through 1915 from Eastern Europe and a much smaller wave in the 30’s. I have cousins who left Duisburg Germany for Buenos Aires in 1938, just ahead of the start of the war. Siblings of this couple were shot in 1939.

I could go on and on,

I never said anything about where people were from. I think that must have been someone else’s post. And I have a different metaphor for Pilpul. I’ve always called it “Jewish Ping-Pong.”

@pdworkin Great answer

SRM

My four grandparents came from Russia, the Ukraine, and LIthuania, and all spoke yiddish as their lingua franca. I too learned “grandmother” yiddish by the standard method of hating not knowing the secrets being discussed in front of me.

We called Pilpul, “Here comes Aunt Beverly.”

doncha just love @gailcalled? I know I do.

Yes, there are kosher chinese restaurants in NYC, but they’re usually terrible. I can only think of one that is close to the real thing, but their dishes are typically double the price of the non-kosher places. Just cuz I’m Jewish doesn’t mean I can afford to eat there.

@srmorgan Re. Two Jews, three opinions. When Nixon met with Golda Meir (I forget the year and circumstances but bear with me) he said to her, and I misquote; “You only have 2 million people to worry about whereas I have 200 million.”

To which she replied, “Yes, but I have two million Prime Ministers.”

@srmorgan But, many times those Jews are on Medicare and the money is ours, not theirs. Having to take off on Yum Kippur is no different than me having to take off on Christmas (the boringest day of the year for a Jewish person, or at least for me, unless you have something specifically planned). Surprised people complained, most people like having the day off.

Also, about the Sephardic in Latin America, well actually I think you were specific to Central and South America. In Mexico, so not included in your statement I realize, unless you were including Mexico in Central America, whch is not unheard of, I remember once reading that there are many more Sephardic than Ashkenazi, I just tried to find some stats on the web, but to no avail. My husband’s grand parents came from Israel in the early 1900’s, they spoke Hebrew and Arabic, not Spanish. As for places like Argentina, Brazil, and Chile, I would guess it is highly populated with ashkenazi.

At one point southern Chile had so many immigrants from Germany, dating from the 1840’s that the government passed a law requiring schools to teach in Spanish, not German. This was some time prior to 1930. My father grew up there and his favorite dessert was Butterkuchen, spelled Buterkujen.

But then his father spoke Yiddish because he grew up in Brooklyn.

I worked with a woman who immigrated with her family from Germany to Chile when she 5. They left East Germany not long before the war started. Later she came to America as an adult. Several years after the wall came down she returned to the city she had lived in, she must have been in her 60’s at the time. Anyway, she stood in front of her house she had lived in as a small child and a neigbor came out and started a conversation with her. She began telling why she was there and the neighbor cut her off and said, “you’re little Lisa.” The same neighbor was still living there since before the war, through the Russian occupation, and seeing the wall come down.

It looks like people have already answered the actual question (Hebrew: kasher l’pesach/ Yiddush: pesadicke).
@srmorgan – Yom Kippur is called the Shabbat of Shabbats and is the holiest day of the Jewish year, so it is the only fast day that can occur on a Shabbat.
@JLeslie – I see what you mean about it being sad that your injured friend cannot make it to services. I would imagine that she probably lives in walking distance to her shul (synagogue) and friends there, so, even if she cannot get there, they can come visit her. Plus, if there is an eruv, then she can be pushed to shul in a wheelchair. One nice thing (IMO) about Ortho communities is that part of what makes them so integrated, from a sociological standpoint, is that the need to walk to shul means that people tend to live nearby to others in their religious community.
@pdworkin – By “NYC,” do you mean Manhattan, or all 5 Boros? It would be impossible, halachically, to have an eruv that encompasses all 5 of them. Manhattan has several eruvin (“eruvs”), but I am pretty sure that none of them take in the whole island. Also, while the eruv does allow Jews to carry things on the Sabbath, the types of things that can be carried on that day are highly restricted. An wallet, for instance, would be considered muktzeh (items that are not allowed to be used or even touched on Shabbat).
@aphilotus – There are many Jewish neighborhoods that are within the confines of actual cities!
*Please note that the ideas that I am presenting here are pretty traditional ones and I do not intend to share them with the purpose of being preachy or anything—just trying to be a bit helpful, if possible!

@answerjill Specifically, it is only Brooklyn, Pittsburgh, and Sydney where the majority of the Jewish population within the greater area lives inside the city limits.

There are other places that have within-the-lines Jewish neighborhoods, but none where those arn’t outnumbered by suburban Jews.

@answerjill The only eruvim which I am specifically familiar with are in Borough Park/Crown Heights. You are of course correct that there are many more than one eruv in NYC, but it is a slightly abstruse and technical issue – I wasn’t intending to issue a Din, merely to introduce the idea to people who may never have heard of it before.

@aphilotus – I think that your comment is very interesting, but I am curious about where you heard it from. I am not trying to be difficult—I am just very curious about this.
@pdworkin – Yes, I understand what you were trying to do, but this being Fluther, I thoguht that it would be the right place for me to contribute my own knowledge, as well. While I can’t find your earlier comment about the wallet (maybe edited out?), I thought that it was a big enough issue to bother mentioning—spending money on Shabbat, after all, is a major transgression of the Sabbath, from a traditional standpoint. While there are arguments among Ortho Jews about whether a particular eruv is kosher or not—or whether one should “hold by” (use) an eruv at all—there isn’t really any argument about the money thing.

Someone else mentioned a wallet. I only spoke of people inspecting the eruv for continuity.

The nurse who cancelled my mother’s appointment with the cardiologist’s on Monday told me that the doctor was going to school.

@answerjill Yes, of course she lives in walking distance. Most of the people who go to her synogogue live in the other direction, but I would guess there must be some people who live near her? I have a feeling psychologically she was not willing to use a wheelchair. My grandma was like that, she refused to “need” a wheelchair Still, seems like going to services should be more important than how you get there; but then that is why I am probably not Orthodox. It is nice that the community is so tight-knit, living near the synoagogue is easier in a city like NY or San Francisco than out in the suburbs. Also, from a financial standpoint jacks up the cost of living in those areas, housing is much more expensive, and kosher food many times has a premium. Sometimes I think Jewish people are getting ripped off, or ripping themselves off. I guess all groups do it. Christians pay super high airfares to see relatives on Christmas and spend all sorts of ridiculous money on gifts. Same difference.

@answerjill It was Melbourne, not sydney. I don’t know where I first saw that statistic, but it is reproduced (though not sited) on this wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Pittsburgh

@pdworkin—There are eruvim in Kew Garden Hills in Queens (69th and Jewel Avenue) and there is one in Riverdale although I could not give you the exact location or center of the Eruv.

I would assume there is one in Far Rockaway, perhaps one in Forest Hills and one centered around the Lubavitcher Headquarters on Eastern Parkway if that is not within the bounds of the Borough Park Eruv.

*JLeslie – my wife and I bought our first residence in the suburbs (in Scarsdale, Westchester County) from a couple who wanted to live much closer to their synagogue in New Rochelle. As she put it “what used to be an invigorating walk on Friday night and Saturday, became a problem with two kids in the stroller”.
I think there is also an Eruv in New Rochelle, near the border of Eastchester and Scarsdale.

SRM

@srmorgan Did it come with two dishwshers? Best part of a kosher home, but I would use them so I could avoid unloading the dishwasher, I hate that chore. Take the dishes right out of the dishwasher to the table and start filling the other one with dirty dishes. Sounds wonderful. In FL they walk in the crazy heat, it is exhasting just thinking about it. But it is a very nice Orthodox community where I lived in FL, in Boca Raton, so I don’t mean to sound negative.

@pdworkin – I apologize for attributing the wallet thing to you.

@JLeslie – You’re right—lots of people are self-conscious about using wheelchairs. Just the other day, mother was telling me about her friend’s mother who refuses to use her chair within a couple blocks of her house, because she doesn’t want the neighbors to see. And yup, I have see prices rise due to being within the eruv.. As for the 2 dishwashers, I don’t even have one. Oh, well. But then, I hardly ever cook meat.

@philotus – Thanks for the reference!

@answerjill But you’re in the city, I meant the Scarsdale house, they probably had two.

Yup, I am in a city. Most people I know, even outside the city, do not have the luxury of two dishwashers, but I have seen kitchens that have them. Have you ever seen a home that has a separate Passover kitchen in the basement? I saw a few when I was a kid.

@JLeslie
I should have been more clear: this was a co-op apartment in a circa 1920’s building. Really nice, 1500 sq ft, parquest floors, 17 foot kitchen. We bought it in 1982. But the kitchen was old and it had NO dishwasher at all.
The co-op board would not allow “installed under the counter” dishwashers and we had to buy one that you hooked up to your sink faucet with hoses, one for intake and one for waste water.
There was only one stove and I can’t imagine what she did when she baked anything with dairy in it.
@answerjill. – you are right about Yom Kippur and Shabbos. My error. I heard a lecture on this about two years ago and I did this from memory, not from my notes.

SRM
SRM

@answerjill No. Ugh. No wonder we care about money (JK), we have to afford all of this craziness. Four sets of dishes, two dishwashers, two kitchens. Too much work for me.