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How can a Christian (all encompassed versions) justify murder in the name of God?

Asked by Spargett (5377points) March 22nd, 2008

It’s clear that this is the complete opposite of what Jesus would do, the guy they love so much. So how the hell (no pun) have so many people been murdered or tortured in the name of Christ and God!?

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shockvalue's avatar

“blind” faith?

bulbatron9's avatar

Bigotry, plain and simple. No matter your religion, if you go against everything you preach then that is hypocrisy to the highest form. People, in general, tend to hate what they don’t understand. This is an excellent question Spargett, I just wish I had a better answer.

sak's avatar

that was predicted in the Bible. I can find more info on that.

allen_o's avatar

because evil people will use their faith to justify doing evil things

Vincentt's avatar

Exactly what allen_o says, people are just looking for an excuse. Also, while there are a lot of people that might have done that, those are just a very small part of the total amount of religious people.
Consider also how many people have murdered/tortured in the name of science, such as those by Josef Mengele during WW II.

scamp's avatar

This is a tough question for me. I looked up the definition of Murder on wiki. It says:“Murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought.” I am not aware of anything that fits that description. Not saying it doesn’t exist, just that I am unaware of it. I would have to look into it further.

Vincentt's avatar

@scamp – well, if someone right now plans to walk out their door tomorrow to kill their homosexual neighbour, then that would be unlawful killing with malice aforthought. This could be done “in the name of religion”.

theloveprophet's avatar

Unless it’s Islam, anyone who kills in the name of their religion is a hypocrite. Jesus said to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
The Qur’an is a different story.

afghanmoose's avatar

the love the Quran preaches peace and justice before any killing,in the Quran Islam believes in every single prophet that judaism and christanity believes in,prophets.Islam when it was formed also learned through teachings that the bible and Torah are also sacred texts that should be respected as well

afghanmoose's avatar

we can go all day about this and that but the only way for you to understand a religion without a bias eye or a negative thought is to go to a church,temple,masjid and talk to the priest,rabbi,imam of those places because they are well versed in religion and the holy books than any of us,and don’t trust the Internet if you don’t feel like getting off the computer,crazy people post crazy things for an unjust reason and negativity

afghanmoose's avatar

also since I saw u were a theology major I just want to wish u luck,ive met a ton of crazy religious teachers who sadly are very biased when teaching a religion than just teaching it how it is,and no matter what,teaching a religion in a one year,2,3 year course doesn’t mean that you know everything about a religion,even though my last professor stated one semester teaches everything,he’s crazy,but it takes generations to understand,some people that study in theology actually travel and experience than read a book and answer questions,love prophet I hope you find your way and may blessings and peace be upon you

eambos's avatar

In every belief and religion there are always extremists. Oftentimes these people are so extreme that they go against their own beliefs.

theloveprophet's avatar

I don’t want to argue about Islam, because I don’t want to say anything mean, so I’m just going to say you win.
But what I read out of the Qur’an was horrifying.

I have met many Muslims who are like the nicest people on planet earth. I love them, just not their religion.

I assume you are Muslim since you came at its defense. I want to ask you a question. This isn’t to “prove Islam wrong” or “make it look bad.” I don’t want to be like that. I just wanna ask you to interpret a verse in Surah 3:67.

”[3.67] Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.”

Duh, he wasn’t a Christian. Christianity didn’t even exist at the time. But I think it’s a little far-fetched to say he was a Muslim when it’s a confirmed FACT Abraham was a Hebrew and therefore a Jew…

Just a thought.

afghanmoose's avatar

Well mr.thelove first you r right,I am a Muslim,second no one wins why,because there is no arguement,third,I am not the one to answer that question,you can contact a local masjid in your area to talk to an imam,which knows in depth the religion more than me.

afghanmoose's avatar

I don’t question any faith and I understand your standpoint to not get anyone upset and thus I respect that. And like I said before,wish u well on your theology studies

Spargett's avatar

Guys, I understand that its hypocriticalI am asking HOW they justify it. Is there something in the bible that I’ve missed that could be interpreted as a holy license to kill?

afghanmoose's avatar

why not read the bible?

oneye1's avatar

no we do not have a license to kill because it would involve us judging and my bible teaches not to judge but I’m a christain because I’m not perfect if I were I would not need a savior

Vincentt's avatar

@Spargett – a bit of Googling turned up this. I’m not sure how reliable this source is (I haven’t read the actual Bible), but even if this isn’t really in the Bible, apparently there are people who think it is, so it could serve as an excuse…

oneye1's avatar

big differents in murder and punishment

bulbatron9's avatar

Regardless of the difference in murder and punishment, the church has no place in either matter. A church is a gathering of people sharing in a belief, even though the majority of churches do not practice this. They sit and listen to their preacher who has pre-selected certain excerpts, and gives his interpretation on these verses. Read the Bible for yourself. Make your own interpretations, and share them. Going to church does not make you a “Christian”, having a true relationship with God does. The Bible we read today is not complete. Churches of the past have removed what didn’t agree with their preaching. If you want to be closer to God seek the truth, and don’t expect it to be told to you by some fat preacher, who has never worked a day in his life. Look at The Crusades, look what the Roman Catholic church did to Martin Luther. Inform yourself.

oneye1's avatar

I do read for myself and its not the churchs place to judge that’s what I was saying earlyer but I can only speak for one person myself not the whole church and christain means one that follows Christ the first church in history they were not called christains they were called the follows of the way

scamp's avatar

Here’s a little food for thought.
http://www.bible-topics.com/Murder.html

GOD

Abominates.

Proverbs 6:16–17 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Makes inquisition for.

Psalms 9:12 When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.

Will avenge.

Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
1 Kings 21:19 And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession? And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine.
Hosea 1:4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.

Requires blood for.

Genesis 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.
Numbers 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.
1 Kings 2:32 And the LORD shall return his blood upon his own head, who fell upon two men more righteous and better than he, and slew them with the sword, my father David not knowing thereof, to wit, Abner the son of Ner, captain of the host of Israel, and Amasa the son of Jether, captain of the host of Judah.

Rejects the prayers of those guilty of.

Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Isaiah 59:2–3 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

Curses those guilty of.

Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;

The law made to restrain.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

SAINTS

Specially warned against.

1 Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.

Deprecate the guilt of.

Psalms 51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

Should warn others against.

Genesis 37:22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.
Jeremiah 26:15 But know ye for certain, that if ye put me to death, ye shall surely bring innocent blood upon yourselves, and upon this city, and upon the inhabitants thereof: for of a truth the LORD hath sent me unto you to speak all these words in your ears.

scamp's avatar

Sorry, I know that’s a lot to wade through. And I am NOT preaching to anyone. I just found verses pertaining to this subject.

oneye1's avatar

I’m going to say it like this the Innocent blood of his son Jesus payed the price God spoke of if you study the old testiments its purpose is to let the Jews and all others know we can not be good enough to do it on our own we need a savior

bulbatron9's avatar

Jesus was a “Jew”, and we are all children of God. Do you worship Jesus or God? I am not going to debate beliefs, but “christians” think every other religion is wrong. The fact is, you should read before you criticize. The native americans, muslims, and many other religions share the same theologies, with a few variations here and there. You probably think Jesus was white, too. Once again, seek the truth! GOD

oneye1's avatar

Jesus ,God,holy spirit are one and no I do not think Jesus is white he is aribic I beleives the bible may I ask where your from

bulbatron9's avatar

Since, “The Holy Spirit” resides in you, does that mean that your are Jesus and God!?! NO. They form the “Trinity”!
I am from TN. I have read the Bible, from Genesis to Revelations. My dad has read the Bible three times through.

oneye1's avatar

Jesus died so I no longer have to be separated from God by sin and now the helper(holy spirit)lives in me to help me like God meant it to be in Eden now let me ask just because your from tn does that make you a hillbilly

bulbatron9's avatar

Whatever, you want to call me. I will let God be the judge of what you are. I do know one thing, this “hillbilly” is more educated, has a better vocabulary, and much less judgemental than you. You are proving that you are not a true Christian, you just claim to be. Do you think Jesus would’ve called me a hillbilly, or even implied this? No! I am proud to be from Tennessee. You couldn’t even carry my jock, much less fill it! I hope you find a purpose.

oneye1's avatar

I did not call you a hillbilly I was trying to make a point just like all people from tn are not hillbillys so all christains should not be judged by the actions of a few

oneye1's avatar

and if you look back I never even said you were wrong about anything I said “I beleive”

bulbatron9's avatar

Well, I wish you the best. All of you.

oneye1's avatar

Thank you may Gods best blessing be on you

Spargett's avatar

You’d think “God” would come down and settle the matter like a good babysitter. Or at least send his errand boy, Jesus.

thegodfather's avatar

A Christian can’t justify murder. But the act of killing under certain circumstances may be Biblical. Not all killing is murderous (e.g., killing animals for meat and food) but all murder is sinful. That’s a distinction at least for me that comes to mind.

theloveprophet's avatar

Couldn’t have said it better myself godfather…

teacher_mom2's avatar

There is a difference between murder and killing. The Bible says, thou shalt not murder.

El_Cadejo's avatar

@teacher mom2 uhhh that didnt really answer anything. Are you saying then according to the bible murder is bad, but killing is ok? When is it murder and when is it killing?

eambos's avatar

She and seVen would be beast friends..

El_Cadejo's avatar

@Eambos you mean best friends?

lol sorry i couldnt help it with that typo ^_^

eambos's avatar

Naaa, man. You know what the kids say;“that’s beast!” Meaning “that’s great.”

Some days i just can’t type.

bulbatron9's avatar

Exodus 20:13. Thou Shall not kill!

King James Version

eambos's avatar

Nice find bulba!

deaddolly's avatar

religion= a waste of my time….

Jamkas's avatar

Sometimes extremists take it to the next level of insanity going against everything that person believes in leaving them with no identity but a simple mad man with skewed beliefs.

Nullo's avatar

Oh, there are ways. F’rinstance, there’s the heat of the moment—that guy said/did something that really pushed your buttons, and you’re not sufficiently Christ-centric to ground it out. There are varying degrees of Christianity, you see.
There were a number of cases in the Crusades. IIRC, one in particular featured a Pope (note that a Pope isn’t necessarily going to be terribly Christian) who partied the Vatican’s coffers dry and still had bills. So, he ordered a Crusade to net Saracen gold.

I suspect that at some point, the reasoning behind the idea for the Crusades worked out to “We’re Jesus’ people, and that was His country,” and didn’t pause (or didn’t know to pause) and check the Bible and ask whether or not this was something that Jesus would have really gotten behind it.

Generally speaking, murderous Christians are a product of converts still struggling with the flesh.

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