Hey all you pro-prop 19 jellies: What is your opinion on K2?

Why not just smoke weed?

No I have not used it and the military has banned it. I’ve heard people have died using K2 and has other ill effects. So, personally I would not use it to get high.

I don’t think that the pro-prop 19 should be based on being able to get high legally. I think it’s best framed as a desire to eliminate the damage caused by prosecution of smokers, the harm caused by the underground market, and the lives ruined through the system.

Just smoke weed.

@deni Because I like the idea of being able to get high socially and legally.

@erichw1504 According to what I’ve read, it’s currently illegal in 13 states, simply because lack of a proper way to test for it scares some officials. I’ve also heard that there are numerous imitation products out there, which can cause serious health problems, but I have it on legal authority that the shop in question is selling legitimate K2.

From what I can find, at least some of the dangers attributed to K2— including the “legitimate” stuff- are real. The stuff is primarily made in China, and we all know how scrupulous the Chinese are at quality control (not.) It;s possible the compound is adulterated, it;s possible it’s in too high a concentration, and it’s possible that its side effects aren’t thoroughly known because it was never scientifically tested in humans.

It’s also unlikely to be legal for very long, given all the stories I read.

What I’ve heard is don’t bother. I’d rather go with something all natural, personally.

K2 is a complete and utter waste of money. It is essentially just a mix of herbs sprayed with the synthetic compound JWH-018. This can be found in a pure form for a fraction of the cost of K2. I believe a gram of k2 goes for around 60 dollars, while a gram of jwh-018 is around 45. Considering the doseage for JWH is only 4mg you can clearly see how much better of a deal this is.

Now, with that said, while JWH is amazingly close to the exact feelings of THC I dont like JWH-018 particularly because of how many negative side effects it has. It is extremely easy to over dose. When you do, prepare for a world of hell. Ive experienced it quite a few times. On the lower end of the over dose, you get a horrible head ache and it literally feels like your brain is on fire. If you go a bit farther than that though, it gets a whole of a hell lot worse. By this, I mean you spend the next hour or so throwing up. And its the most voliently ill sickness you will ever feel. Most times you expel whatever is in your stomach pretty quickly then spend the rest of the time dry heaving. I must say though, leading right up to this its very reminiscent of DMT and even during the vomiting you have the most intense closed eyed visuals, but the ends clearly dont justify the means.

Now, there are however other synthesizes of JWH that are better. From what ive read JWH-075 is pretty good, but the best, and my favorite is JWH-250. No matter how much ive taken Ive never experienced any real negative effects. The worst I ever got (and this was when i messed up and put way to much) was getting really cold for 30 min then the effects faded and I was fine again. JWH-250’s effects last for about an hour, its a bit more intense than 018 as well. I very much liken it to how I feel right after smoking a bong with some really nice haze. But like I said it doesnt last nearly as long as the nice haze would.

Are there long term negative effects to prolong useage? Maybe. Its a possibility, these chemicals havent really been around long enough for proper testing. IMO these chemicals should never be used as a replacement for marijuana because they simply arent. Try as they might, its never going to be the same. I do think these are particularly useful though for those that need to give up smoking for a short period for probation or work drug tests. That is how I think one should go about using these compounds. The other really nice thing about them is the stealthiness factor. If you roll your own cigarettes, which I do occasionally, you can easily put some of the compound in with the tobacco and smoke anywhere without arising any suspicion what so ever as they dont put of any kind of smell when vaporized.

Recently I looked into the molecular structures of both THC and JWH-018/250 to compare how close they were. What I found was kind of surprising though. They really arent alike at all yet produce similar effects in the brain. What I also found interesting is to my surprise (i dont know why I never looked at THC before:P) THC is a terpene. I would have expected it by all means to be an indole like 018 and 250 since indoles are the class that holds LSD, LSA, DMT, psilocybin, and most other hallucinogens. Dont know what this realization could mean, but interesting non the less.

I should also add, while this is still legal in most states, its not something you can just smoke in the open still. The tobacco example, fine, but if you were going to say smoke this in a bowl with some other smooth herb, your probably still going to find yourself in trouble. Simply because the analog act. Its fucked, but thats just how it goes. Another possibility is to dissolve it in something like mint extract. You can then put a drop or two or whatever it works out to be for your concentration under your tongue and get the same effects.

Oh and if this is something your considering, buy yourself a nice scale. As I mentioned the doseages for these drugs are incredibly small and you need to be as precise as possible. Dont just eyeball that shit or your asking for problems.

Why would you use an artificial, possibly dangerous drug when you have an extremely safe, home grown THC source. I understand that the Mexican grass is low quality and possibly dangerous plus it supports a group wanton murders and torturers. I suggest that you buy from your neighborhood hippie (if there are any left).

I’m allergic and can’t use any of it but I do know an expert or two.

@Ron_C If one is on probation or needs to get a job thats not exactly an option.

@uberbatman if you are on probation and looking for a job. you don’t have the time or money to get high.

@Ron_C Id have to disagree again. I have a job and am currently on probation. I spend less money on JWH/fines then I did when I wasnt on probation and smoking weed.

And time? Yea I know… looking for a job disables you from sleeping at night so, no time for that good night bowl.

@uberbatman

The shop in question sells K2 at 10 a gram. But regardless, thanks for the detailed advice.

@uberbatman it is none of mine or the government’s business if a guy has a joint or five. I do not understand how or why a company should test people for drugs unless they were working in dangerous situations or operating heavy machinery.

I don’t think that the government should have any laws forbidding adults from using any drug they wish as long as the adult is not endangering others and takes responsibility for the results of that drug usage. For instance if a guy shoots up on heroin and falls asleep in the snow, too bad. If that person is driving and kills someone they he needs to be locked away for a long time.

On the other hand if the sales guy at Sears has a joint for lunch and comes back and sells 10 refrigerators, more power to him. If I was his boss, I’d buy a round for him.

That being said, if your job or legal status prohibits drug usage, you need to ride out the probation times and possibly find a job where you are only checked once when you apply. Other than train engineers, airline pilots, truck drivers and the military, I don’t know of many places that have an ongoing drug screening process.

@Ron_C I agree with you in the fact that drug tests are bullshit and everything else, but until something changes all we can do is adjust to the situation. A lot of jobs have a drug test in the beginning and thats it. What got me put on probation was someone else ratting on me to a cop. I dont really see that as a legitimate reason for me to stop something I enjoy.

@uberbatman I get that but it is only temporary. I remember being in the hospital with an unremitting pain from a blood clot and the only thing that kept me sane was that I kept telling myself that it was only temporary. It took more than a week for them to find the right drug combination.

@Ron_C sure its a temporary. But its also six months long. Id rather not. Maybe you would choose to go long term without but I dont see why I should make that same decision.

@uberbatman Man, I’m glad you don’t enjoy killing people

@YARNLADY what an extremely closed minded and just assholish thing to say. There is a huge difference between my choice to do drugs on my own accord and going out and physically harming others. If I smoke weed at or not can you tell me how exactly this effects you or anyone elses life at all?

Until you can give me a legitimate answer to that, please stop making these little jabs in every fucking drug thread.

@uberbatman My reference is to breaking the law because you enjoy the act. As long as it is against the law, it is wrong to do it.

@YARNLADY It is, for example, not against the law in Colorado for medicinal purposes, so do you think it is wrong for someone to do here, if they have a card for it? So does it just depend on what state someone lives in?

@YARNLADY legality≠morality

@deni Just as the laws of many states vary, some things that are legal in one state are against the law in another state, and going against the law is wrong. What you are allowed to do in one state can land you in jail in another state.

Anyone who doesn’t agree with the law can follow the proper procedure to change it – to ignore it completely is just wrong.

One subject that falls into that category is the age of consent. Some states say it is one age, some states use another age. Some people believe they are all wrong and any age is OK.

“Anyone who doesn’t agree with the law can follow the proper procedure to change it ” oh yes… its just that simple. why didnt I think of that already… -_ -

@YARNLADY But by claiming that all laws must be universal denies that fact that separate states have a right to govern themselves. You might as well just be claiming that your way is better, but it still doesn’t give you the moral high ground.

@Foolaholic Where did I claim that all laws must be universal? I see my quip as saying just the opposite.

@YARNLADY

Then how do you come to come to the conclusion that his actions are wrong, when our country can’t even come to a consensus on the legality of the issue?

I was using the California and Federal Laws as my basis. At this time, the growing, use and possession of Marijuana is against the Federal law, and most state laws. Breaking the law is wrong.

@YARNLADY

Alright, so if the tomorrow they pass legislation legalizing marijuana nation-wide, does your code of morality also change?

Also, I find it curious that, in a question where I ask for the opinion of people who have tried K2, you feel the need to contribute. From your standpoint, it sounds like you would have no interest in THC or any similar product. Do you have experience with K2 or Spice? What is your opinion of the high produced?

@Foolaholic No, it will still be wrong to break the law. My code of morality as you call it is to always follow the law. If you don’t agree with the law, work within the system to change it.

You are getting your views on smoking marijuana mixed up with my views on obeying the law. They are two completely different things. I do not believe in picking and choosing which laws to obey. I do believe in working with the system to get rid of laws that are wrong. People make laws, and they can be changed.

Laws and morality are not the same thing either. My personal views on morality are based on a standard of ethical behavior.

My opinion of smoking is the same for every substance, and that is: my parents died from smoking cigarettes. Deliberately breathing harmful particles into your lungs sounds crazy to me.

Do you believe in answering the question that was actually asked because thus far you’ve done nothing of that nature.

@uberbatman ooops, you are correct – I don’t even know what K2 is – thanks for the heads uup

yet again you feel the need to go into drug questions and derail them on how its so wrong to break the law and all this other bullshit. why is that i must ask

“My opinion of smoking is the same for every substance, and that is: my parents died from smoking cigarettes. Deliberately breathing harmful particles into your lungs sounds crazy to me.”

@YARNLADY
If anything, this is the input I was looking for. Not legality, not morals, just that.

I would like to know why the conservatives who claim too much government interference are against issues that grant sexual and personal freedoms.

I smoke weed and while I’m not saying “hey go try it brah!” I am saying that I love it and for me it’s very worth while. It’s a great experience and as long as you stay on an okay path I say there’s no reason to stop. My grades have gone up since I’ve started smoking, but it’s not like that for everyone. I’m just saying that I REALLY like it.

Welll… JWH-018, JWH-073 . JWH-200 , CP-47, and CP-497 are all about to be banned