What do you call a state that no longer allows its elected representatives to cast votes?

Wisconsin? ;-)

Fascist.

Also, those senators aren’t in contempt. They were quorum-busting. Republicans do the same thing all the time, but for some reason as soon as the Democrats practice the same right it’s called Fleeing, leaving, hiding, running away, on vacation…

Pre-pubescent

A state of (dis)grace.

A state run by a bunch of politicians who want to hand the next election to the opposing party on a silver platter?

They essentially quit their jobs. If any of us in the private sector would try to do that, we’d no longer be employeed. They had every chance to do their jobs and vote. They chose to skip town, not tell anyone where they were, and not do their jobs. They left by choice. They quit. Adios, be gone. (And, yes, I’d say the exact same thing if it were Republicans who chose to quit their jobs).

@12Oaks They did not under any circumstance “essentially quit their jobs”.
When Republicans commit this exact same act it’s known as quorum-busting

In the real world, that’s quitting. They shouldn’t be paid from the time they Left. It’s nonsense like this that makes many of us get as much tax-free income as we could. The taxpayers of Wisconsin should all refuse to pay the school tax portion of their property tax bills until every.greedy teacher gets fired and new, better ones hired and all public sector unions disbanded. SAVE YOUR COUNTRY—CROSS A PICKET LINE TODAY! !!!

@12Oaks I’ll be saving my country by standing with unions.

It’s a sad day when teachers are made to be the fall guys for our CEO/Bank/Golden Parachute driven into the ground shit economy.

@12Oaks What about paying Wall Street or big bankers for failing so miserably at their jobs, and then swallowing our bile when they gave themselves bonuses that most of us will never see in a lifetime of work, while stripping millions of us of our jobs and homes? Is it nonsense like that “makes many of us get as much tax-free income as we could?” The taxpayers of the United States should all refuse to pay their property taxes until every greedy banker, lobbyist, and politician gets fired and tried for crimes against the American people, and new and better ones voted in!!! SAVE YOUR COUNTRY—PICKET WALL STREET TODAY!!!! And thank a teacher(s) that you can read and understand this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s funny. I thought the topic was politicians who refuse to do the job they were elected to do, not Wall Street investors. But at least they work for a living. Them lousy public school teachers work a part-time, seasonal job and think $90,000+ a year isn’t enough. Thank a public school teacher? If I ever see a public school teacher whom I had at any point in my life, I’d punch them out. Now am gonna check on my investments, as my portfolio isn’t going to grow on its own. Gonna see how much tax-free income I could get today in honor of Mar16 16, which is “Screw a Public School Teacher Day” around here. I just thank my mom who taught me how to read before I ever went to public school, and myself who discovered the joy of reading after I dropped out of that lousy confomity factory. Want a real education for your kids? Go with a private school, where the teachers actually care about education the youth for the real world.

@12Oaks Well your teachers failed you, and should be replaced by better more dedicated teachers, the type that better pay and treatment and funding would likely provide. I’m just happy MY teachers didn’t fail me (and honestly there’s hardly a one of them I wouldn’t support being paid 6 digit incomes)

@Tedd Glad we agree all those teachers are failures. If you really would like to pay more for teachers salaries, you are more then welcome to pay that part of my property tax.

I still forever contend private is the way to go. Of course, that’s the opinion of an idiotic fool product of public education.

@12Oaks So what you’re saying is that a good k-12 education should only be available to those who can afford to pay yearly tuition in the thousands of dollars to send their kids to private schools?

Yah that sounds like a good plan. I see no way in which the lower class, those in poverty, or frankly most of the middle class will have ANY problems doing that.

Cut taxes. Put more in the pockets of the citizens so they don’t have to depend on Uncle Sam to Support them. Less taxes to government equals more money in your pocket for you to do with it what you choose, like paying strangers to teach your kids though you could do that yourself for almost no cost. Even us idiots know That.

@12Oaks Taxes today are the lowest they’ve been in over 50 years. A solid ⅓ of our population doesn’t pay any taxes at all, and gets back everything they earned because its already so meager. How are they to afford private schools when you cut taxes for the wealthier families, when they can’t afford it already? And how can a single parent stay home and teach their children? Or what if both parents need to work their jobs just so they can afford to put food on the family? Not to mention you’re likely taking away government programs like food stamps that some of those people depend upon to even feed themselves, because gigantic corporations don’t pay them enough to live. What are they supposed to do to educate their kids when you’ve robbed the public education system away from them? (the public education system btw, a system put in place by the Founding Fathers, who deemed it a basic right).

The Conservative mantra of “just cut taxes” does NOT fix everything… and honestly in a lot of cases it just causes more problems. Cutting taxes without cutting spending, as done by both presidents Bush and all-mighty-Ronald-Friggin-Reagan… account for over 10 trillion of our nations debt today. In fact Bush 2 and Obama COMBINED have not done as much damage on our national debt as JUST Reagan.

Stop buying Republican propaganda and open your eyes.

It’s not my job to send your kid to school. I raise my kid on my own expecting nothing from noone. Of course what do I know? I’m an idiot and a fool.

@12Oaks You would regress our nation to a point when the majority of people could barely (if at all) read, and that just sickens me. You have bought propaganda so thoroughly, that you fail to even see you would doom our very nation to self destruction by following such a narrow-minded and foolish strategy.

I pity your children.

How do you know that my kid, or the neighbors kid, or some inner city child living in poverty… won’t grow up to be the next president, astronaut, the person who cures aids or cancer… or hell, how about just a doctor, your banker, a scientist? Its EVERYONES job to make sure the youth of our country get an education, and grow up to be the best they can be….. ALL OF THEM, not just your children, are our future.

@12Oaks I’m a homeschooling mom. Just because we chose to homeschool doesn’t make us any less responsible for the children of our community.

If you didn’t even want to take the children of the nation into your thoughts, then look at it this way:

A) Teachers (all public employee) base salary is used to determine the base salary for other private sector jobs.
B) Good Schools boost your home value. If the teachers fail, the schools fail. If the schools fail, your property value takes a nosedive.

@tedd I have one daughter. She is 5. She reads at a 3rd grade level, does math at a 2nd grade level. She speaks two languages, on of which her daddy, the idiotic fool, taught himself a couple years ago just for something to do. She is also coming along brilliantly on the piano, something else the foolish idiot is teaching her. She is well advanced at the gun range for her age (as a part of her lessons on the Constitution, Second Amendment studies) and bats from both sides. I will put here against ANY public school taught five year olds in anything, except for how long it takes her to put a condom on a cucumber. Do not EVER pity her, especially since nobody asked you to. Now us adults who live in the real world, not at some Ohio state college socialist paradise, will have a chat.

@SpatzieLover In response to your A). When I go into my boss’s office to do individual bargaining every year, the subject of how much teachers make never come up. It just isn’t relevant. But really, your B) I find more interesting.

Boost home value? I always wonder about that. It’s like people who think you donate to charity for “the tax deduction,” as they obviously have no idea how finances work.

I have no idea really how much my property is worth. I know it’s worth a lot more than when I bought it from all the improvements I made on it, but the taxman has no idea on that. When I bought the house, I really didn’t care the value. My girlfriend at the time wouldn’t accept my marriage proposal unless I owned a house. I lived in my van for like 4 years, which was the later 80s during a grand economic boom, so I worked like 14–18 hours a day. All I did was sleep away from work for the most part, so saw no reason to buy a house or rent an apartment, would have been a waste of money.

So, anyway, the next day, I found a property I liked, told the owner what I would pay for it (had no idea the asking price) paid for it and moved in later that day. Right now, I have no idea the value because first, I really don’t care what some guy in some county office says it’s worth. Also, because I don’t care who you are or how much you offer, my property is NOT for sale. I ain’t selling, so there is no price. However, I wish that guy in the county office would value my property at, say $100.00 or so. Why? Because property tax is based on the value as determined by strangers, and that way my annual property tax would be $1.50. And I don’t see no problem with that.

Oh, and if I ever do decide to sell, I could tell you exactly what it is worth—NOT ONE PENNY LESS THAN I SAY IT’S WORTH. If you don’t like my price, go buy someone elses property. We all don’t live in dorms in little colleges, most of us live int he real world. Admit it, @SpatzieLover, you’d love it if your property taxes were at a minimum. If not, it is legal to go ahead and volunteer to pay more, as the stranger in the county office will happily accept.

Admit it, @SpatzieLover, you’d love it if your property taxes were at a minimum

I live in one of the highest taxed states in the nation. I live in a Village known for it’s high taxes, great schools, and amazing DPW workers. If I weren’t content with it all I’d have moved.

@SpatzieLover Fair enough, you like paying high taxes. I don’t get that, but am glad it’s working out for you, sincerely. I personally believe that us homeschoolers should be exempt from the school portion of the property tax bill, but that’s just me.

May I ask you something, please. If you’re content with paying higher taxes for great schools, then why do you not use them and homeschool? I homeschool because the strangers here who run the schools are as bad as they get. I know, I’m a product of them, so know their failures first hand. But if they were good, I’d consider sending my daughter to one of them. This baffles me. Care to share?

My son has Asperger’s syndrome. Even before we knew that conclusively, we knew he was a sensitive child, a genius and that the schools (both public & private on our block) would not be a good environment for him.

@SpatzieLover Thank you fo the honest answer, and I really hope all goes well with you and your son. That runs in my family as well, and know all too well what that’s about.

@12Oaks Great, sounds like you’re raising her to be a wonderful person… (living in the destroyed world you’re hoping to give her)

Let me ask you. How are the uneducated supposed to home school their children? What about those who can’t read and write? Single mothers working two jobs so they don’t have to be entirely dependent on welfare (especially since I’m willing to bet you’re all for gutting welfare as well). How is MY mother supposed to afford thousands of dollars a year to send me to a private school? She barely had the money to put food on the table and gas in her car to drive to one of her two jobs…. and she’s a god damn valedictorian from the University of Michigan. And hell I have friends who went to private schools. They weren’t really at all better, and in fact one of them had to use my public schools facilities a lot of the time.

The rich have blinded you and stolen the conservative movement, using it to further line their pockets… and frankly you’ve bought it hook line and sinker.

And I most definitely DO pity your daughter and any other children you have… Because you’ve taken it upon yourself to educate them, but seem to think education ends with mathematics and reading foreign languages.

You should really stop making assumptions about things of which you have no clue, you’re giving Ohio state college and all who dwell there a bad name.

@12Oaks Just stating my honest opinion. Or would you like to take away my right to do that too?

States you’re opinion all you want, just base it on fact and not assumption. That Ohio state college should be teaching you that kind of stuff.

@12Oaks There’s no assumption involved. Just the things you have openly stated in this thread, and simple facts.