How do people reconcile themselves to being emotional or logical frauds?

Could this be the first sign of self reflection?
probably not

^ Not, but bless you anyhow.

Does one constantly post questions that read more like mission statements and argue with any replies they get? The meta-irony of this blows my mind.

@cazzie Does one constantly post questions that read more like mission statements and argue with any replies they get?
See how it happens? You make a statement and I have to respond to see how it deals with the question or not. As for the statement/question itself, an argument is only an argument by the person who makes a comment. Statement, etc. they can’t hold up or support; if they could it would just be a debate or a discussion.

Interesting question…

I would say you are likely the best to answer this yourself.

@ragingloli *“Could this be the first sign of self reflection?
probably not”*

Self-reflection is probably well beyond the TC’s intellectual capabilities.

I am unclear about the meaning of “being emotional or logical frauds.” Notions that one has acquired may be challenged by the notions that others have or by new experiences. Perturbations are often met with denial as the individual attempts to maintain their understanding. They will seek to preserve their perspective by seeking those with similar beliefs and excluding people whose beliefs conflict with theirs. When their social reality makes this difficult they may choose, often unconsciously, to hide or disguise their beliefs to avoid rejection and potential persecution.

There are 7 questions above, is this how you get past the 3 question per day limit @Hypocrisy_Central?

This question(s) doesn’t make a lot of sense. You shouldn’t assume everyone knows what an emotional or logical fraud is. Not everyone lives in a constant state of ulterior motives.

Please offer an example so we can answer properly.

I would suspect that most people in that position don’t even realise they’re doing it, so they would have nothing to reconcile. It all makes me think about why people believe illogical things through faith in their religion. Most of it is logically flawed but those who believe don’t see that at all.

@KNOWITALL Please offer an example so we can answer properly.
One instance of emotion fraud people do all the time with relationships; they convince themselves that physical beauty has no importance. The reality is I never met anyone who chose their mate because of his/her personality, she thought he was hot, he thought she was stacked, that was the draw that even fostered the desire to have a conversation. No one wants to come out and admit they really started to love her after they got to know her but not when they first seen her.

People lie to themselves and say they do not want to be filthy rich, or wealthy beyond imaginations stating the rich are not really that happy and other poppycock like that. A resent thread people are all over what they would do with an extra $100,000 with some saying it is not that much or as much as it used to be. Given the chance at great, great wealth hardly anyone would turn it down.

Logical fraud happen every day right under our noses but it has been happening so long, no one thinks of it. Why does a person between the ages of 12–18 have to pay adult fare on most mass transit, at amusement rides, or the movies? They are not legal adults, so where is the logic of calling them adults? Either you live by the rules made, even if it cost money or bypass gain, to liver by the rules the powers that be set up. To say they are adults when there is greater money at stake but children when there is responsibility or choice at stake is a fraud, and hypocrisy.

@downtide I would suspect that most people in that position don’t even realise they’re doing it, so they would have nothing to reconcile.
I would concur, some have done it so long, or done it because others have done it that they do not even think why they do it. Like pigs under an apple tree, they go about enjoying the apples never looking up to wonder how they found their way to the ground.

It all makes me think about why people believe illogical things through faith in their religion.
Even though that is a whole different debate I will add this; with faith I know why and what I am doing. I do not expect to have a proof I can measure, smell, see, touch, weight, etc. If you do not exercise faith you won’t see the logic in it because you can’t see the effects of it. I have confirmation but not the way those who do not practice it would know. Other things I do that I know appear illogical I know it is my personal preference not to or to do them. I won’t fly commercial. I know people who do it all of the time and never have a second thought about it. In my mind the jet I would take would be the one to crash and since I don’t know which jet will crash, I won’t risk any of them even though mile per mile, statistics show it to be safer than cars on land. II know this, I am no fraud trying to invent facts about flying that try to add legitimacy to my decision; if I did, it would be that when a jet crashes it is often fatal so I can enjoy that in my mind that even if I get in a car crash, more than not I will survive.

Your opinions of people choosing a mate because of looks or that everyone would choose wealth are just that… Your opinions. Not fraud. I know that my chosen field will not ever make me rich, in fact far from it, but giving back is more important to me than money and all of the frivolities it can afford me.
The ratio of good looking old people to just average old people is pretty slim. Yet old people find each other regularly. Was that old man impressed that the old woman’s tits were stacked on her knees? Probably not.

I think there’s a difference between being a fraud versus accepting reality.

@Hypocrisy_Central gave several examples, such as “People lie to themselves and say they do not want to be filthy rich, or wealthy beyond imaginations stating the rich are not really that happy and other poppycock like that.”

Why must someone be considered fraudulent for choosing to be realistic or satisfied with what they already have?

Personally,

Alcohol.

@GloPro Your opinions of people choosing a mate because of looks or that everyone would choose wealth are just that… Your opinions. Not fraud
I know, because by practice they are more correct than not. If I were in the camp that believed otherwise, I would be fooling myself. Some opinions have a factual basis one can glean to it.

The ratio of good looking old people to just average old people is pretty slim.
OK, I would concur, but I would also have to say old people get together for different reasons than young people. With the old it is more companionship first, not having someone hot and steamy in the sheets that is good eye candy. Old people tend to get to know the other person over a longer time period; and they settle for what they would not have taken when young, yes, opinion based off what I have witnessed in aged people I have come across or gotten to know.

If seniors are getting together for different reasons than sex, why are they becoming the highest category for STD transmission? They’re obviously getting it on whether they are physically attractive or not. What a buncha emotional frauds.

@GloPro “If seniors are getting together for different reasons than sex, why are they becoming the highest category for STD transmission? They’re obviously getting it on whether they are physically attractive or not. What a buncha emotional frauds.”

Goddamn phonies.

Seniors have better health coverage, and if something goes wrong with the plumbing, are quicker to go to the doctor for fear it is cancer or something.

Cite your source that seniors go to the doctor quicker than anyone else with fire coming out of their urethra. That’s your opinion.

Cite your source that seniors go to the doctor quicker than anyone else with fire coming out of their urethra.
I can have an opinion it will snow 6in in New York in winter but heck, no need to even believe it is true unless I can site ther source. However, since seniors go more often than other people it would include them pissing razor blades even if not broken down to how many cases of each. Since you need sources to look here then, that is one of them.

I am discovering that there is no point talking to you. You made a sweeping incorrect statement that people always choose a mate because of physical attraction. I counter with old people are clearly getting it on despite the physically attractive traits waning. Oh no, you can’t be wrong, so you change the subject to the fact that they go to the doctor more. And then pose a new question to Fluther about staying on yhe subject. WHO CARES?!? The whole point is you made a false statement to prove an idiotic point that you also make up facts on. You’ve made up an army of people that bitch about rich people, because I can’t find a single one of your ‘rich bashers’ on this site, to call us all hypocrites. It is clear the people you are generalizing about don’t even exist. If they do then you should pose these questions to them instead of distort what everyone here says. Stop trying to correct everyone about issues that only exist in your head!

You are wrong, HC, in that everyone wants to secretly be rich and only want to bone attractive people. Who cares how often the broke ugly old man goes to the doctor. He isn’t a hypocrite or an emotional fraud. Nor a liar, a manipulator, a phony, or an idiot. He’s nothing more than a man satisfied with his lot in life and doing the best he can with the cards he is dealt. Should he be dealt better cards in the future he is nothing more than fortunate.

You are the epitome of people seeing flaws in others that are at the core of their own being. Although you do pose some interesting questions, your logic and follow through in debate are flawed and off-putting. I do not know what your agenda is, but a healthy debate is not it. I believe you enjoy belittling others, which would make more sense if your arguments made sense. You win. I’ve lost my cool.
Rant over. I apologize in advance for anyone I have offended, but I’m feeling frustrated.

@GloPro now you’re on to something..don’t waste your time. If there is a stick handy, I might poke the bear, otherwise, no point.

@GloPro You win. I’ve lost my cool. Rant over.
Did I? You seem to harnessed a boat load of lurve and Atta boys out of that, so be happy. I did not win anything. However, I do not want you to be frustrated, advice, when you see a question of mine other than anything that happens to do with cacti just find a simpler question., ;-)

@Hypocrisy_Central (In reaction to your sending off @GloPro)

If you don’t like people responding to you, then don’t post questions.

What are you, masochistic?

Of all people I know on fluther, you are the one that I would most likely consider a logical fraud. I don’t even know what an emotional fraud is… The way you pose this question, though, is one in which you claim a moral highroad; implying that there are many frauds on fluther and you’re not one of them…

Are you really surprised other people get lurve and you don’t?

Many of the things you say, make me wish I could give negative lurve…

@whitenoise*If you don’t like people responding to you, then don’t post questions.*
I did not say I did not want people to respond to the question if the response is an actual answer. By your logic if person ‘A’ asked person ‘B’ what time it was and person ”A’ responded, ”It isn’t time for me to answer broke people who don’t have a watch” they responded but they did not answer the question asked of them; regardless I guess person ‘A’ should be happy they got any response be it helpful to them or not. Then again, if anyone don’t like any question, mine or another’s, they can choose another as well.

Of all people I know on fluther, you are the one that I would most likely consider a logical fraud.
I could name names but I redacted, besides how can people Atta boy each other by me posting that?

The way you pose this question, though, is one in which you claim a moral highroad; implying that there are many frauds on fluther and you’re not one of them… One can take anything any way. I could go into ways I am illogical by the standards most believe but that would be going into an arena most don’t want to play in, so I skipped it.

Are you really surprised other people get lurve and you don’t?
Hell no…..I know whose house I am playing in, I get mine off questions, which is why I usually take full opportunity of it, at least that is available. The lurve handed out around here is supposed to support the person agreeable to them, not if the answer is actually that great, it is more of a ”high five” these days to try to say said comment is more right than something else. –Glad to help you guys out though, who knows how long it would take you if I wasn’t stoking your lurve furnaces—..

Many of the things you say, make me wish I could give negative lurve…
I guess you can drop that in the suggestion box of the creators as something they forgot…..