Would you hire an employee that once was in prison for two years?

1st question – depends primarily on why he was in prison for 2 years.

2nd question – no.

I would certainly not hire Michael Vick. As to someone else who was imprisoned, I would need more facts. Michael Vick suffers from an untreatable and chronic personality disorder. Other prisoners may not.

Why would I have to hire him for two years?

@pdworkin You know this as fact?

I’m sorry, I thought you were asking for my opinion. I misunderstood the question. If you are asking this to somehow determine the facts of prisoner-hiring vs Michael Vick hiring then I need a lot more information, including a diagnostic interview with Vick, and with your other prisoners.

I was commenting on Vick having an untreatable and chronic personality disorder.

Depends on why they were in prison for two years.

No to Michael Vick.

I would not rule out hiring former convicts. It depends on the offense, on the person, on a lot of things.

For example, I would never hire someone convicted of stealing to handle the company money.

I have been trying to tell myself that Michael Vick deserves another chance. I keep coming back to this, however:

Michael Vick personally hung dogs from trees.

He personally electrocuted them with car batteries.

He himself says that he did not see what the problem was when he was arrested. He says he had a lot of time to think in prison and he “understands now that people care for the welfare of their pets.”

That does not seem to me like someone who really gets it.

Finally, I am not sure the question is phrased fairly @The_Compassionate_Heretic. Does he deserve a job? Yes.

But isn’t the real question, “Does he deserve to be one an elite group of millionaires who get the fame, wealth and adulation accorded to pro football players in our society?”

I am not sure he does.

That’s my opinion. It is certainly not a matter of fact, although I believe I could demonstrate it clinically if I had the opportunity to do a diagnostic interview. So let us say, upon information and belief a man who has hanged dogs until dead is suffering from Antisocial Personality Disorder as defined by the diagnostic criteria of the DSM IV TR. Will that do?

That would be a big “that depends.” I’m certainly in favor of giving a guy a chance. But I’d be choosy about anyone I hired, and no less so with an ex-offender.

yes. Ive worked with a few inmates before. (on work release). They tried hard to keep everyone happy so they could have money when they got out. Its a good program in my eyes.

As for Vick. I wouldnt hire him to paint my car, but to play football and make me lots of money… you bet.
What he did was wrong, yes; but he served his sentence paid his fine and is back out. Would you smack your kid today if he broke a bowl 3 days ago and already was grounded?

How about this one. During a performance Marilyn Manson threw a puppy off stage and told his fans to rip it apart or he would stop singing forever….. They did, cheered, taped it, and posted it on the internet.

Under your point of view, Mason shouldn’t be singing, but he still is.

If you dont like whats going on, dont support it. Dont buy his jerseys, dont get his autograph, dont go to the games for him. I sure as hell dont go see manson, and never plan on starting ever again.

Point: dont keep punishing the man for the crimes hes already paid for. Just dont support him if you dont want to.

(BTW I dont even think Manson was fined for his stage antics. And yes, it was a real puppy…..)

Sorry for the DP, but I had an idea.

If were just bent on the fact that hes going to make a lot of money, more than him having a job. Why dont you start a partition moving that (half, ⅓, quarter, X amt) of Vick’s first Signing deal be donated to PETA. He, keeps his job, and has to prove himself worthy again, youre happy that his wages are drastically cut, and the public sees that he is held a little more responsible for his actions by giving PETA a very large sum of money to help their non prof. attempts of saving animals.

Just a thought….

it would depend on the situation. what they were in prison for, how they seem to have (or not have) turned their life around.
mike vick, no. i would not hire someone who participated in animal cruelty like that, especially since he doesn’t seem to feel much regret about it.

I would never hire Michael Vick to do anything because of the nature of his crime. That being said I think I would be in favor of hiring ex-cons trying to re-integrate into society. The Delancy Street Foundation is a wonderful example of helping “unhireables” find work. The restaraunt that they run on the Embarcadero is entirely staffed by ex-cons. We always try to patronize it whenever we go to a Giants game (it’s within walking distance of the ballpark). Excellent food, outstanding service, very reasonable prices are all other reasons we continue coming back.

What’s the point of making people pay for their crimes, if they can’t function in society after they have paid their debt?

Now, I am a HUGE animal lover, but I think even Michael Vick deserves another chance. Maybe he did learn and grow as a person. Who am I to say he didn’t? I saw his press conference, and he didn’t seem like a horrible person. I’d never hire him to do anything with animals, but he deserves the right to make a living like everyone else.

As others have stated, the nature of the offense, and the individual’s current demeanor would be major determining factors.

That said, I have dated men who have been incarcerated. The vast majority of us have made foolish decisions at one point or another, and were fortunate not to get caught; not everyone has been so lucky.

Would I hire Michael Vick or anyone who has been found guilty to similar or worse cruelty? NO Because I also believe that there are certain offenses for which rehabilitation is not possible… (for those who don’t know, I was a victim of childhood sexual abuse).

Depends on the job (and the crime). I generally wouldn’t have a problem, and I think everyone deserves a second chance.

We used “Employers Training Resource” which is a county run (i think) job training company. They said they did all the screening and we told them that we needed applicants screened because the person would be doing maintenance in peoples apartments.
after we hired the guy we found out he was on parole for attempted murder of a police officer!
He ended up stealing (from us, not the resident) and we let him go. We were nicer than we should have been. He was one day for his parole to be when we caught him with his hand in the bag where the laundry quarters had been collected. We just told him to get out of our sight and that he had better not even try to file for unemployment.
That being said, In our apartments we let people live there 10 years after completion of their scentence (not after they get out on parole.)

The problem is for every ex-con that applies for a job with me, I get thousands who are NOT. Why would I hire him?

@kibaxcheza: Excuse me?

Michael Vick gets the fame and millions of dollars because he does something only a handful of men can; he also generates 10x his earnings for the NFL, Eagles, and each city he plays in. Yes, I would hire an ex con and Vick-he was young, extremely rich, and surrounded by thugs. Now, he is more mature and buddies with Tony Dungy who is respected by all in the NFL and most people in general. He may screw up and I could be wrong, but he deserves a second chance regardless ofthe overall outcome. People always tie the money he makes as a reason not to hire him, buts let’s remember the 100 million + he threw away with his mistake. Two years in prison and that much $$$ lost seems like it could change any man, but only time will tell.

he really hung dogs from trees???? electrocuted them????? I just remember seeing that they were neglected and starving- HUNG them????? he shouldve got way longer than he did

@kibaxcheza That is an insulting and huge assumption. I don’t really see the connection at all.

Michael Vick was not a homeless man. He had a college degree and more money than any of us that I know of on this site by a long shot.

He then did what he did to helpless animals with no thought to the consequences. Much more likely is that Michael Vick would not buy a homeless man dinner (at least not before the fall.)

I have hired ex-cons. Some worked out just fine, and some got in trouble again but not through anything they did at work. However, the worst employee was a guy who never was convicted of any crime.

Michael Vick could possibly be a sociopath, or he could just be someone who has been handled with kid gloves because of his ability to make money first for a college and then for the NFL, so that he had no idea he could get in trouble for doing something like brutalizing dogs. In any case, I don’t need a quarterback, so I doubt I would hire him.

He would probably make an excellent car salesman, however.

1. Would you hire an employee that once was in prison for two years?
Depends on the crime.

2.Would you hire Michael Vick?
Fuck no!

@girlofscience ; Thanks for clearing that up..

@girlofscience Friend was at the show when it happened…. Dont even try to pull that bull. Manson has also pissed ON the crowd (Happened at the show i was working) and in earlier years at the concert venue I work at, killed a chicken in the same manner and screwed a girl on stage (he was fined for that one through the venue). DONT EVEN START WITH THAT CRAP.

And dont you ever even refrence something that compares the prince of darkness with that piece of trash. The bat Ozzy bit, was supposed to be fake. Someone switched it on him to try and get a better reaction, but with the adrenaline and such, he didnt notice.

@kibaxcheza: Your friend lied to you. There is simply no way that occurred. Marilyn Manson has never requested that his crowd kill a puppy. What “bull” was I trying to pull?

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blmanson.htm

I’ve now provided two reasonably reliable sources disputing your claim. Find me one supporting it.

Never mind, not worth posting if it’s gonna get moderated soon.

I hope so, Tink.

lol Jeruba lol

Depends on what they were in prison for.

Michael Vick, only if it was a minimum wage job.

Not only would I not hire Michael Vick, I wouldn’t patronize anyone who does.
My Father ran a division of Genereal Electric, and he hired convicts all the time to give deserving people a second chance.

I just don’t think Michael Vick is deserving after what he did. In my opinion, I wouldn’t hire him to scrape dog shit off my shoe.

It would have to depend on why the person was in prison and what type of job they are applying for. Although some rehabilitation programs prisoners are given an option to participate in aren’t well designed or very effective, I would try to evaluate their behavior as best I could in relation to how they would interact with coworkers or their performance in their job. Violent crimes would be a definite NO, drug charges…as long as they’re willing to take a drug test (and sign a consent form) and passed or show that they are attempting improvement in their lives I would probably give them a chance…it would all depend.

On hiring Michael Vick? Probably not…

if he was the 5th best in the world at it… yep.

Depends.

Serving prison time isn’t a good way to evaluate a person. There are good people who go to jail for silly reasons and there are people who will serve their time and go right out again and commit crimes. Really the best thing you can do is evaluate each person on their own merits.

Michael Vick? I don’t know the guy personally, but as many people have pointed out, he has at least been punished for his actions and has lost tens of millions of dollars because of it. This doesn’t make him a good guy, but at least it allows us isolate that part of his life from the person that he is today, understand that he screwed up and was punished, and believe that he probably won’t ever do something like that again. So would I hire him? I’d have to get to know him and make a personal judgment about the kind of guy he is.

BTW – @kibaxcheza That’s a 12 year old myth you’re talking about with Marilyn Manson puppy stuff. Your friend did not witness this, because it did not happen.