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2late2be's avatar

Any sites for web apps for my iPod touch besides APPLE and SAFARI? And my iPod isn't jailbroken by the way...

Asked by 2late2be (2289points) April 23rd, 2008 from iPhone

I just want something new, I know that June upgrade and app store will open, but, it like a month still, any suggestions!? Any site? NOT APPLE OR SAFARI PLEASE.. Oh, and for non-jailbroken iPod’s…

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sndfreQ's avatar

Here’s a good one.

bassist_king1's avatar

if u have the January iPhone app update, u can make web apps for any site u want.
I don’t get why u wouldn’t want to jailbreak though, there are so many fun apps and games, and there aren’t are downsides or cons.

bluemukaki's avatar

@bassist_king1: Who needs stability or warranty when you have games…

bassist_king1's avatar

all it does is allow you to put apps on it, and it doesnt void your warrenty, its just software. i havnt had any issues with stability with or without jailbreak.

Maverick's avatar

some methods of jailbreaking do indeed void your warranty (the ziphone method, for example) and some non-native apps do affect stability also (Summerboard caused me a lot of stability issues in most standard apps, Safari was the most bothersome though). So, its misguided to try to tell people otherwise. I’m not sure if I would jailbreak my phone if I didn’t have to (need unlocking in Canada). I mostly use the standard apps and webapps anyway.

bassist_king1's avatar

oh, well ive never had any issues with summerboard or any other apps, or my friends that have it on theirs. but i guess its your own choice to jailbreak/unlock or not. and even if anything happens, u can reboot and restore it back to normal in itunes.

Maverick's avatar

Also not true. Most likely you have experienced crashes that you’ve blamed the phone, when actually the jailbreak was the culprit. It took me quite a bit of troubleshooting to figure out that Summerviard causes problems. Since removing it (but still with other jailbroken apps) I have had almost perfect stability. Also, restoring from iTunes will not correct the damage the ziphone method does to your phone, and it is detectable if Apple looks for it.

sndfreQ's avatar

@Maverick: bassist_king1 was just giving his own opinion based on his experience; YMMV, so there’s no need to call him out on his own observation.

One thing I think is worth mentioning here is most of the 3rd party app developers continue to update their software just like the big boys do, so what may have once been buggy with a first release may have worked itself out by now.

I’ll add to bassist_king1’s comments that initially, I had gotten “happy” with the installing of 3rd party apps, and installed something that caused my audio to lock up on the iPhone, specifically the voicemail (just died altogether). After some careful thought, I as able to determine that a voice recorder app was to blame, but even after deleting that app, the iPhone was still having problems.

The solution was to restore the iPhone using iTunes, then to begin the process from scratch. I backed up my critical data first, restored the iPhone, then had to start over from square one with installing each app, wallpaper, etc.

Lastly, I question the validity of Maverick’s last claim. If you know this for a fact (Apple being able to detect a jailbroken phone), cite your sources. I know from three close friends of mine that have all taken their once jailbroken, but factory restored iPhones back to the Apple store for a warranty replacement, and in each case, none of them were tested on a bench for evidence of a jailbreak. Since this is purely anecdotal evidence, I would be interested in anyone’s direct technical expertise in this area.

To my knowledge (based on some limited blog and Internet research), the only evidence that Apple can trace on a hacked phone is when the baseband files have been altered in the subsystem; apparently, this will occur whenever a phone is jailbroken along with being unlocked. If you have evidence or knowledge contrary to this I would be interested to know.

The_Englishman's avatar

@sndfreQ: I think what Maverick is getting at with regards to detecting a Ziphone hack specifically is the downgrade of the bootloader from 4.6 to 3.9. Ziphone automatically downgraded the bootloader whether you wanted it to or not to 3.9. New iPhones should have 4.6 and so hence if you have a new iPhone that should have 4.6 but it has 3.9 then it is quite obvious that you have been messing around with things.

Similarly if you have unlocked your baseband it will be slightly different to the regular one and so is probably detectable.

If you just jailbroke and so none of the low level bits have been changed then just restoring in iTunes would put it back and shouldn’t be detectable as far as I have read.

So its not really detecting the jailbreak its detecting the mess that ziphone caused when it unlocked the phone as it cannot be undone with ziphone. I think you can undo the ziphone changes with pwnage tool.

sndfreQ's avatar

Thanks for the insight-is that the name of the app (pwnage tool)? Is it freely available via google or other search?

The_Englishman's avatar

Yep that’s the name of the app. Here is a link for you!

Maverick's avatar

Thanks, Englishman – you pretty much nailed it on my behalf.

Just for the record, I wasn’t “calling anyone out”. I was merely correcting some incorrect information.

And finally, I never said Apple wouldn’t do repairs or any such thing to a jailbroken phone. I merely said that they could detect a phone jailbroken (and unlocked) with the ziphone method. Whether they do or not and what actions they take is open to speculation.

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