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Why did less than one hundred people sign up for Obamacare in two weeks?

Asked by Aster (20023points) October 8th, 2013

Dr. Krauthammer just said that he would not name names but someone who works in the White House told him that less than one hundred people signed up for Obamacare in the first two weeks. I felt it would be a small amount but that was astonishing to me. Why do you suppose this is the case if you believe Krauthammer isn’t lying on the news? No use answering me with questions regarding my feelings on the matter.

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Neodarwinian's avatar

I would suppose the glitches were that bad.

The numbers trying to apply were in the millions.

PS: It has not been two weeks since October 1st!

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

This article states:

“In Kentucky, where 11,879 people are enrolled in coverage, all of them have paid the first month’s premium for their policy. ”

So, I am going with, people are just making stuff up and saying some anonymous guy told them.

glacial's avatar

Ummm… have we had two weeks yet? Maybe he needs to practice his lines a little more.

Sunny2's avatar

It’s just another bit of misinformation spread by one of our political parties. Business as usual.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

CT had 1175 applications, and I saw KT numbers, a bit less that IMTUBT, so I’m guessing he’s another bullshit artist.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

That’s Dr K is the bullshit artist, not IMTUBT

jaytkay's avatar

Conservatives’ dishonesty is really astounding.

October 1st the exchanges opened.

September 27, FOX ‘News’ was claiming Obamacare had only signed up 1 percent of the population.

Meanwhile, in reality, 4,000 applied the first day just in Illinois.

FOX nonsense

Reality

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ETpro's avatar

The Con men have their propaganda machine in high gear. They are terrified that they won’t be somehow able to kill the Affordable Care Act and that the people will realize all the lies they spread trying to let their sweetheart donors in the insurance industry make Ferengi size profits by collecting premiums till people got sick, then cancelling them, were just lies.

rojo's avatar

Ok, I missed the memo. When did weeks become four days long?

rojo's avatar

Krauthammer would lie to his grandmother if he thought it would make his point.

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elbanditoroso's avatar

Krauthammer lies. He’s a Tea Pottier thru and thru.

kritiper's avatar

Let me get this straight… Two weeks is 14 days and the time to start signing up was Oct. 1 and it is not Oct. 10 yet…what am I missing here?

rojo's avatar

@kritiper A conservative mindset.

Aster's avatar

Krauthammer the “liar” said , in case I said it wrong, a White House official told him that in the first two weeks of * something or other they had one hundred applicants. But now I heard today the numbers , that are *much bigger , include people who simply went to the website and/or called.
I’m glad that all you jellies are going to have healthcare now. That’s good news . Even if it isn’t exactly free.

wreckinball's avatar

Of course more than 100 have signed up. But the numbers are low because of sticker shock. I have an employer plan and ;last year my premium went up 30% because of the ACA mandates (humorous that the name has the world affordable in it).

Two guys in their 20’s at the gym went to sign up and were shocked at the price. One guy said his policy went up 300% and he is considering just paying the penalty.

I guess if your policy is subsidized quite a bit or free its Affordable. Otherwise not so much.

JLeslie's avatar

I have my doubts the ACA really made costs go up. I think insurers and companies are using that line to make more money. Like when Delta airlines said oil prices were increasing their prices, but the amount they charged for some routes were pure gouging. Like $750 roundtrip Memphis to Gulfport, MS after Katrina. If you went from Little Rock to Gulfport through Memphis it was $250. Companies say all sorts of shit to make money.

glacial's avatar

Yeah, I am thinking of the jelly who posted a screenshot of his options, and the prices in the middle of the screen were the “before adjustment” amounts that would end up being reduced by $200/month. Perhaps people who think prices are increasing are just reading the amounts wrong.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

Okay, NYS had over 40,000 applications attempted.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

Yeah, I guess 100 and 40,000 are close if you’re a cretin. I don’t know if Obamacare is the answer, but distortions of this magnitude are asinine. Give me a break and stop insulting my intelligence you ignorant a**holes.

ETpro's avatar

@Aster In all fairness, the US Government connector site appears to be having problems, and people trying to use it are having a hard time doing so. This all should have been worked out months before the Oct. 1 rollout. Some of the state sites, thank goodness, are doing a much better job.

wreckinball's avatar

And the fact that something developed by gov’t is inefficient and doesn’t work right shocks you?

And my state PA sucks at it too.

Of course this thing is going to cost more. You can’t insure 30 million people, most of whom will be subsidized without passing the buck onto those who have been paying for health care all along.

Also, the mandates are mostly “services” that are not risk based . Kind of like buying an auto insurance policy to cover your oil changes and also cover accidents. The oil change has a 100% probability. They’ll just add the cost of the oil change to the policy and mark it up to boot. There is nothing free of course and that is what folks are finding out.

wreckinball's avatar

also adjusted = subsidized

Thus if your policy is adjusted other people are paying your bill.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@wreckinball I worked for a fortune 500 firm for 10 years servicing large health care plans. I am kinda smart, and I was surrounded by geniuses. The company abandoned the line of business because it is insanely hard.

I know you want people to assume government is inefficient, because rich people have brainwashed you with talk radio. But I mail a frieken’ letter, it gets anywhere for less than a buck. Programming databases to compare health plans and evaluate eligibility? Really frieken’ hard.

ETpro's avatar

@wreckinball Actually, it’s going to reign in overall costs. When the uninsured poor got to the emergency room because they have no other option, that isn’t actually covered by free money that rains down like mana. It’s the most expensive possible care, and just covers the immediate threat to life, meaning they will likely be back. Killing the ACA now would cost us nearly a trillion dollars over the next 10 years.

wreckinball's avatar

I find it almost beyond humorous that you would use the Post Office as an example of gov’t efficiency. The post office loses money continuously and would not exist without taxpayer subsidy.

And the old “saying of it absolutely positively has to be there overnight” is true re: FedEx. We use UPS or FedEx because they are almost 100% on time and almost never lose a shipment. The USPS is actually cheaper but absolute sucks on delivery reliability.

Next you’ll be touting Amtrak.

But I think we agree that tying health insurance to your employer is a really bad idea. Antiquated leftover from the FDR days. But Obamacare strengthens that tie. It mandates it. Another reason not to like it.

I don’t lose my auto insurance when I lose my job. But I do lose my health insurance.

rojo's avatar

@wreckinball “While these factors may cause some fiscal pain, almost all of the postal service’s losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006.

At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to “prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span” — meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn’t even hired yet, something “that no other government or private corporation is required to do.”

As consumer advocate Ralph Nader noted, if PAEA was never enacted, USPS would actually be facing a $1.5 billion surplus today:

By June 2011, the USPS saw a total net deficit of $19.5 billion, $12.7 billion of which was borrowed money from Treasury (leaving just $2.3 billion left until the USPS hits its statutory borrowing limit of $15 billion). This $19.5 billion deficit almost exactly matches the $20.95 billion the USPS made in prepayments to the fund for future retiree health care benefits by June 2011. If the prepayments required under PAEA were never enacted into law, the USPS would not have a net deficiency of nearly $20 billion, but instead be in the black by at least $1.5 billion.” part of This article from ThinkProgress

and this is the part where you question the source of the article

ETpro's avatar

@wreckinball The Post Office is funded entirely by its sales, just like UPS and Fedex are. It has not been a taxpayer supported entity for over 30 years. But who cares about truth and facts when ideology is so much easier to understand. All you need is a bumper sticker to be an expert.

wreckinball's avatar

Uh you are nuts, the Post Office has borrowed to make up deficits. But you do seem pretty loose with your facts

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@wreckinball I am going to quote Fox News commentator Megan Kelly:

“Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better, or is it real?”

ETpro's avatar

@wreckinball So you don’t think that any corporations ever borrow money? Talk about playing loose with the facts. Pot, meet kettle.

By the way, those deficits are thanks to the law your Republican friends passed requiring that the Post Office prefund its health care and retirement funds for the next 75 years. That’s a huge cost no business in its right mind would incur. And before Republicans designed the Post Office to fail, presumably because UPS and FedEx paid them to do so, the Post Office was doing fine.

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