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What exactly does "gaming lurve" mean?

Asked by Coloma (47105points) December 13th, 2014

I heard this term used today here and don’t understand exactly what it means or how it would be recognized.
I am aware old users can reincarnate under new names or variations of their old user names if they choose to be known, but what exactly is “gaming lurve”?

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johnpowell's avatar

Basically making multiple accounts to boost your score. For example if you were now to make five new accounts and they all log in a give you a GQ. That would be gaming lurve. It used to happen a lot. That is why they made tools to check for it.

Coloma's avatar

@johnpowell But how could someone do that if they are posting under different names and accounts? How would they rack up the same scores or be found out to begin with?

janbb's avatar

They are bogus accounts set up to give lurve to themselves in their real account. If the mods become suspicious, they check things like IP addresses, etc.

johnpowell's avatar

Like janbb said. It is using a lot of accounts to boost their primary account. I think it is mostly done by spammers now to make the spam seem more legitimate. If you can boost up your account a bit you are less likely to be flagged as spam.

ucme's avatar

It means you’re a desperately sad fuckweed with very little in the way of personality or self worth.

Coloma's avatar

Okay…I think I get it now. I was just baffled as I am not of that mindset and am clueless as to how it is done. Thanks for the explanation.

Coloma's avatar

@ucme “fuckweed”? haha That’s a new one for me.

ucme's avatar

@Coloma I gotta whole buncha them, reserved for special occasions, y’know, like family xmas gatherings

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

I think gaming lurve shows you need some help. Lurve isn’t exactly a form of currency. I’ve played with it a bit to help coordinate K parties with other jellies, and I checked with the mods and they’re okay with it as long as I’m not messing with my lurve.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@Coloma ”“fuckweed”? haha That’s a new one for me.”

I suspect it would not taste good in brownie form.

@Adirondackwannabe ” I’ve played with it a bit to help coordinate K parties with other jellies, and I checked with the mods and they’re okay with it as long as I’m not messing with my lurve.”

I’ve never understood this – the mods say they don’t like popularity contests, but this is kind of the ultimate form of that. If a jelly doesn’t have friends who will push him over the top, then he has to get to the milestones the hard way. If one’s lurve is bumped up artificially, then how pointless is that milestone?

And yeah, I know, lurve is meaningless anyway, yadda yadda. But then why even bump it up?

SavoirFaire's avatar

@dappled_leaves Creating new accounts just to put someone over the top would not be allowed (we’ve had this happen, and we shut it down). Realizing you haven’t maxed out on someone and timing a GA or a GQ to coordinate a lurve party is just one of the benefits that comes with being able to distribute your lurve however you see fit.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

@dappled_leaves Oh don’t give me that crap. My answer went totally over your head. I know some jellies are friends, so if I help a friend host a party for a friend that’s bad? Come on. It isn’t about popularity at all, it’s helping one friend accommodate another. Oh god, how bad am I?

canidmajor's avatar

Now I’m a little confused. @Adirondackwannabe, what about your post went over @dappled_leaves head? Did you say you bump up your friends’ lurve with alternate accounts that you have, or with your @Adirondackwannabe account? This: ”...as long as I’m not messing with my lurve.” would indicate the former, is that what you meant? If it is, I understand @dappled_leaves point. If not, please forgive my confusion.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@SavoirFaire Thanks, that’s good to know.

And, I agree with @canidmajor, @Adirondackwannabe, you seem to be contradicting yourself here. Getting angry about it doesn’t make your point any clearer.

prairierose's avatar

I use to answer questions on Yahoo! Answers and there it was called point gaming and accounts could be suspended if the users were caught. A user has a main account then makes some bogus accounts so they can up their points on the main account. It is silly child like behavior, like who care how many points or lurve one has, I am thinking those desperate people need to get a life.

Coloma's avatar

@prairierose Agreed. I never have understood why someone would reincarnate under different user names over and over again either. If you don’t want to remain under your current identity just go. haha
Of course there are exceptions, such as someone wanting to ask an anonymous Q. of intimate nature and conceal their true identity. Not my thing, but, it is what it is.

Berserker's avatar

@dappled_leaves As far as bumping someone else’s lurve when they come close to a milestone goes, this is usually done when there’s not even 200 points left until they reach the K. You can’t say that the rest of their points they got normally is ’‘pointless’’. Especially not when we’re talking about 20k plus parties.

Adagio's avatar

It means the person “gaming” is bored senseless.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@Symbeline Yet those 200 points seem to mean the most to the people doing the bumping – or why wouldn’t they simply have the party at 19,800 lurve? I don’t get it.

janbb's avatar

@dappled_leaves I had the impression, although I haven’t participated in this, that it was more the last 20 or 30 points that people were focusing on when they noticed someone being near a milestone. I see it more as cheering someone on at the finish line than gaming the system.

Coloma's avatar

@janbb Agreed, nothing wrong with cheering someone on. Also, depending on who’s doing the cheering it can take an extra long time to hit the milestone if most of your cheering section has maxed out their lurve on you or vice versa. haha

dappled_leaves's avatar

@janbb Sorry, it still seems silly to me.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@dappled_leaves And… as @SavoirFaire points out, whatever anyone thinks about it, it is against the rules.

Berserker's avatar

@dappled_leaves There isn’t much to get, it’s silly fun, people want parties.
I wasn’t aware that spamming another jellie’s lurve was against the rules though, I thought it only applied if you did it to yourself.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

It isn’t illegal to give a person lurve who’s about to cross the line. So if I was at 9990 and @Symbeline realized she could give me lurve by giving some of my questions GQs and by doing so, I cross the line, that’s fine. As @SavoirFaire said, that’s just a person distributing lurve.

Realizing you haven’t maxed out on someone and timing a GA or a GQ to coordinate a lurve party is just one of the benefits that comes with being able to distribute your lurve however you see fit. (@SavoirFaire).

Setting up an account to gain another 100 points and using that to increase your own lurve score is against the rules AND setting up an account to push someone else over the line is also against the rules.

Coloma's avatar

@Earthbound_Misfit Well said, agreed. It has never even cross my mind to set up bogus accounts to increase my lurve score or that of others.

Aethelwine's avatar

setting up an account to push someone else over the line is also against the rules

Is this a new rule? I know that this was allowed about 3 years ago. I helped someone once by doing this and I know of others who have done it. A mod gave us permission to do so.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

Well evidently I have multiple accounts and I push lurve scores up by 100’s of points. Ignoring I said anyone gaming lurve needs some help. and in this last case, it was six points another jelly added, so we could have the party while he was online.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

I would say that would be considered a step too far @jonsblond because you’re not just using the existing rules to reach an outcome, you’re manipulating the system. You (as an individual) end up with 200 points to give to other jellies rather than the 100 you’re allowed. So yes, that would be gaming the system.

However, many people have more than one account. I personally don’t think there’s a problem with that. The problem would occur if you went and created another account just to push another member over the line. I think having the intention to mess with the lurve system would cause the problem. Not simply having another account.

You might create an account for a whole range of reasons that have nothing to do with deliberately messing with the lurve system. There isn’t a rule that says this. I’d say this is one of those situations where the mods would need to use their judgement.

And it is a rule @jonsblond. This is what the rules say about having another account. It is allowed Provided that it is not used to game the lurve system, deceive, confuse or cause trouble, we allow users to create more than one account.

Coloma's avatar

Is this a case of all’s fair in lurve and war”? lol

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

Some people take lurve way too seriously.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

Lurve doesn’t mean squat. Try buying a cup of coffee with it. But I like the parties. How often do you tell someone how much they’re appreciated?

Coloma's avatar

I agree with you both..^^^^, doesn’t really matter but parties are fun.

Aethelwine's avatar

@Earthbound_Misfit Like I said, this was many years ago and it was done by several people and no one had a problem with it. Mods gave us their approval to do it. It was only to boost a user by 50 points or so while they were online so they would be present for the start of their party. It has nothing to do with taking lurve seriously. It was about creating a party for a beloved friend. That’s all. I remember when one certain user was nearing a milestone and mods asked us privately to help boost this person so he could have a party while he was still alive and well.

I really don’t care. I was just surprised that many people on this Q have a problem with this, especially when it wasn’t a problem before. It’s not that big of a deal. seriously. what’s wrong with creating an account to give a friend 25 extra points to reach a milestone? good grief.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

@jonsblond, I didn’t mean YOU take lurve too seriously. Some people certainly do though. I understand why you did what you did and I can totally understand the motivation.

It is against the rules though so perhaps the rules have changed since. I think the problem is, where does it stop? If everyone created a new account to give lurve to their friends, it would make the whole system totally irrelevant. Where would the line be drawn? We have limited amounts of lurve to give. If we all keep making new accounts to boost our ability to give lurve to specific people, the whole system would become distorted.

Aethelwine's avatar

Where would the line be drawn?

Unless I’m missing something lurve parties don’t happen that often, so creating a separate account would only be occasional and for someone who was a friend. It’s been done by members since lurve parties began many years ago.

If we all keep making new accounts to boost our ability to give lurve to specific people, the whole system would become distorted.

The system would be distorted now if that were the case. It’s not, is it? And I doubt all 50 of us who are left are going to be online at the same time and create a new account to help lurve someone over the edge. Lurve parties are about as common as Ben sightings. I might agree with your argument against this tactic if this was 2009 (when Fluther was active,) and everyone was doing it. Fluther isn’t busy enough for this type of lurve gaming to be a significant problem. I would think catching goose impostors would be a bigger priority, but it took days before the mods agreed on that outcome.

Aethelwine's avatar

@Earthbound_Misfit I made a small edit. Your argument makes sense. I didn’t express myself correctly.

ucme's avatar

…& the moral of the story is that no one should give a fuck, after all, outside of this tiny corner of the internet, nobody does.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@jonsblond The case you mention seems like a special one (“so he could have a party while he was still alive and well”). I don’t personally see any problem with allowing that as an exception, and I hope people will continue to contact the mods when special situations like that arise. The general rule grew out of a much less noble situation, however.

The specific case I’m thinking about was more “political.” The person created multiple accounts, boosted the answers of people who frequently agreed with them (often targeting the answers expressing that agreement to make it look like more people agreed, but also just increasing their supporters’ scores in general), and then using the parties as another platform for their agenda.

As for the goose, it happened on a day that none of us were here. It was handled the next day, and then re-handled the day after that.

janbb's avatar

One person, maybe the one referred to above, gamed the system solely to increase their score. That person was eventually discovered and banned.

Berserker's avatar

Under the orange tree.

LornaLove's avatar

Imagine being that obsessed with lurv?? Crikey!

johnpowell's avatar

I was part of the gaming the system to time lurve parties. The main reason to do it was so that a person that knew the person really well could throw the party. There was actually a fair amount of thought going into them. You would tell some stories and put out some links to their most memorable bits. It was in no way malicious. We just wanted people to have a homemade cake instead of the butter-cream from Safeway that you get now.

Awesome. You made a pun of their name and said congrats. There is a reason I no longer look at them.

They used to be more like wakes where you would share your favorite memories. Now it seems like post first for lurve.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@johnpowell “They used to be more like wakes where you would share your favorite memories. Now it seems like post first for lurve.”

Yeah, that’s kind of why I don’t participate in the party questions much.

I got bitten when I was a newbie trying to throw a party for a jelly I admired; I was given a ridiculous amount of hell for it, because someone else had wanted to. If I recall correctly, I think @mimishu1995 had a similar experience when she first joined. So, I do understand your point (and @jonsblond‘s ) that people can want to control the timing of these events. But it represents a kind of negativity towards “the wrong people” trying to do something nice, which makes me wonder why it matters so much who throws the party. I mean, if you don’t get to tell your heartfelt stories in the question, you tell them in the answers – what’s the big deal?

Coloma's avatar

Really, people have caught hell for throwing parties that someone else thought they should have dibs on? Insane!

Aethelwine's avatar

I never did it so I could throw the party. I would often let a good friend of the person nearing the milestone know that I was helping. There would often be three of us in cahoots so the closest friend could ask the Q. @johnpowell described the process well.

johnpowell's avatar

Nobody has cuaght hell for it. It was mostly back in the campfire days when the most active people were in chat.

But there was one person that would monitor the feed on the right and post every *K party for a while. They had to be called out on it and stopped.

I’m going to be a dick here…

Coloma at 30K May 20th, 2012

Me at 30K August 16th, 2010

There is a very different vibe.

jca's avatar

I too, tried to throw a Lurve Party around 2009 or 2010 and my question went up and then was deleted. I saw someone else’s question up there for that party and I was confused. What happened to the question I wrote? I wrote to the mods at the time and was told that the other person’s was up first. It was definitely not because I saw mine and no other. I realized then what happened (the more popular person got to ask) and I never tried again. I think I may have done one recently – I don’t remember. Once bitten, twice shy.

ucme's avatar

If bickering over who hosts “party” threads does/did go on, then that sums up the worst elements of Fluther, along with tedious nostalgia from veterans banging on how it was “better in the old days”
I see no difference in either of those party links, both are well intentioned, cheesy & celebrations of a milestone, nowt special or distinctive, just standard stuff.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@johnpowell “Nobody has cuaght hell for it.”

That simply isn’t true – I have experienced it personally. Whether you were there to witness it or not, it has happened.

Coloma's avatar

@johnpowell I don’t get what you’re trying to communicate in your posting, clarify please.
I’ve only hosted a couple K parties, don’t even remember who now and I think, at least once, someone else had already beat me to it. I jumped in because it seemed nobody else had yet. Usually I am late to the festivities. haha

SavoirFaire's avatar

@dappled_leaves For the record, I continue to feel honored that you hosted my first party.

dappled_leaves's avatar

Aw, thanks @SavoirFaire – I didn’t think you’d remember. :)

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