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Was I wrongfully terminated?

Asked by Ana6 (40points) March 17th, 2015 from iPhone

I worked as teller in a bank and I was terminated for force balncing which. I didn’t do . When I calld the ur requesting proof for me force balancing they said because I changed denominations multiple times I forced balanced. Actually I should have been over 50$ but I wasn’t which I persume happenned As I might have given someone extra money As I always had problem balancing and counting that’s why I changed denominations multiple times too. But as I was audited next day all was ok and no extra money was found. So I am asking that should I leave or take it forward

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dappled_leaves's avatar

I’m confused. In this question, you say repeatedly that you were actually short. Several times. Why has the story changed now?

When your manager told you that you were dismissed for changing denominations several times, did you ask her why that constituted force balancing / fraud? Surely, she should have been able to explain it to you.

Ana6's avatar

The manager didn’t explain anything it’s the hr which said that manger just said I am terminated for forced balancing.

Ana6's avatar

I did ask that when I am balancing the next day why is it considered forced just changing denominations co sights that. I have been YavI g problem counting cash

dappled_leaves's avatar

Ok… I’m still trying to figure out what you’re saying. So, you were terminated – and someone must have talked to you then, explaining why. You called HR to ask for proof of force balancing, and HR told you that it was for changing denominations several times. Is this correct?

It seems to me they should still have been able to explain why that constitutes force balancing. Did you not ask any follow-up questions? Why not call them back for an explanation, or perhaps a meeting?

Ana6's avatar

I don’t even plan on getting a job as teller but all I want is a clean background

Ana6's avatar

Sorry for cinfusion. When I was laid off all the manger told me was that I am fired for force balancing. I called up hr later and all they said was that they consider changing multiple denominations as force balancing as in actual I should have been over 50$ which they are correct I wrongly processed a transaction but in my defense I may have given someone cash extra too. So they think as I changed denominations multiple times I forced balanced . But I was audited the next day and I was ok and there was no extra 50$ so I believe I gave someone extra money and I was ok

dappled_leaves's avatar

How can you “be ok” if you’ve given out more money than you should have? This is the definition of being short.

Ana6's avatar

By ok I meant my drawer and the cash count on computer matched

Ana6's avatar

So there was no error or force balancing

dappled_leaves's avatar

My advice is to call HR back, and not give up until you understand why you were dismissed and why you have the “fraud” note in your file. I don’t think you’re going to believe anyone until they have fully explained it to you. If you have to make an appointment to meet with them, then do that.

Ana6's avatar

I did. And they are not budging on the fact of changing denominations to be forced balancing so I think I have to take them to court because they agreed that I didn’t steal or threw the money and I balanced on the audit

funkdaddy's avatar

If you gave someone an extra $50 and your drawer was not off, then at some point you were $50 over.

That sounds like what they’re saying. They are saying during your multiple denomination changes, you probably made your drawer over by $50. Whether that’s intentional fraud or not, it certainly looks like it.

I don’t want to seem harsh, but if you need to change in bills to balance and count your drawer properly, then bank teller may not be the best fit. Everybody has strengths and weaknesses, quick accounting is a necessity in that role. It doesn’t sound like you were wrongfully terminated.

That job is over, so really the only thing that matters going forward is what they’ll tell someone calling to verify employment. You may just want to ask HR what they would tell a future employer and leave it at that.

Good luck.

dappled_leaves's avatar

I finally think I understand what you’re saying – you recorded the wrong number of bills of specific denominations? I thought you’d been saying that you were exchanging money for people near the end of the day. Which is it that you did?

Look, the point is, you did not record what you had in your till correctly. You did this multiple times, and the bank had enough. I don’t know if they need to prove that you had ill intent in order to label this as fraud – from what I’ve read I don’t think they do. You probably don’t have a case here.

Does it really matter if you don’t plan to be a teller again? The record will only follow you if you apply for banking jobs or if you use them as a reference (Don’t!). Or are you worried about unemployment benefits? Surely you can’t claim them if you were fired anyway.

johnpowell's avatar

You should just clean up your resume and go job hunting. I can see no upside of fighting this. If anything taking this to court will make your life much worse since the court case could show up in searches by future employers.

Most states are at-will so they can fire you for whatever reason they want.

AMadden's avatar

It’s a bit of a tough one, as I think I understand your concern. If you look for other work, you can’t really use them as a reference, which might not help you much. And if you put on your resume that you worked there, the new company might ask you why you left, and you can’t exactly say because they accused me of something I didn’t do. But of a tough situation.

Ana6's avatar

But at the end of day I wasn’t over the fifty amount I changed denominations because I counted the cash wrong . N force balancing comes up as fraud in background so it’s always there

Ana6's avatar

Propably I did give someone extra cash during the day

dabbler's avatar

I’m sorry you’re having this difficulty with your job. And I don’t want to discourage you.

However, if you’re having trouble counting money, and you know you have shorted someone $50 and probably gave someone else extra $50, perhaps this is not a good job for you?
If you ask me that does not mean everything is okay, but that two bad events happened in your cash drawer that day.

zenvelo's avatar

No, you were not wrongfully terminated.

You could not perform the most important part of your job, and you admit you failed at it numerous times. You were appropriately fired.

Ana6's avatar

I know that but the reason of termination is wrong

janbb's avatar

You have asked about this here multiple times. Your thinking and explanation are fuzzy. It is clear that you couldn’t handle the job. You can ask HR to expunge the explanation of fraud on your record but I think your best bet is not to list this job on future applications and find a different line or work – or some more education.

josie's avatar

No. Your termination was justified and appropriate

stanleybmanly's avatar

Screw the bank! You’d be better off at a fast food job. The bank is worse than a fast food restaurant in that you’re loaded with much greater responsibility, and required to invest considerably more in attire, while working for a pittance. Don’t bother expecting some sort of redress for unfair treatment from an industry notorious for grinding down front line wage slaves. You are unlikely to encounter another employer as adept at throwing people away legally without fear of retribution.

Ana6's avatar

The reason for termination saying force balAncing is wrong when no evidence was found just changing denomination isn’t roght. Yes I was to be terminated for being short on cash but not force balancing g

stanleybmanly's avatar

So what? The bank doesn’t care. To whom can you appeal? If you’re looking for justice at the hands of a bank, you REALLY are in for a lifetime of disappointment. Count yourself fortunate in your escape, and move on to something more fulfilling.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@Ana6 It’s unfortunate that you lost your job, but everyone here who has read your story agrees that you should have been terminated, and that you do not have a case against the bank. Why are you continuing to argue?

You asked what we think, and we’ve told you. Now it is time for you to move on.

sahID's avatar

I have to agree with everyone else who has commented. The only thing to do is see this as a learning moment and move on. Continuing to fight the bank will only make it worse for you when looking for jobs in the future. Thing is, personnel managers and business owners talk literally all the time. While there likely are legal limits to what information employers can share about employees, during off the record conversations, there are no limits to what one employer can say to another about a current or former employee. Indeed, if an employer wants to flat out slander an employee at length in order to wreck his reputation in the business community, he can.

How do I know? While working for a local business, I overheard the owner (it was a small business, with six full time employees) doing just that for a solid half hour.

CWOTUS's avatar

I have not read the entire thread, and in fact I could not read the original question well enough to fully comprehend it, which leads me to a question of my own, which I hope you will take as a serious, non-snarky and dismissive question: Are you fluent in English?

That is, do you read and comprehend it sufficiently well to understand what the bank management people are telling you about what you did wrong and why they have terminated you? I’m asking because your writing about the question is, frankly, barely intelligible. Perhaps you’re typing the question on a defective keyboard in the dark while fighting off a bear attack at the same time, in which case I will apologize. (Damn bears!) Otherwise, I am going to suggest that you take an interpreter with you, someone with whom you can converse easily and fluently in your native language, and who also speaks, reads and writes English well enough to fully understand what your former managers have attempted to tell you.

“Forced balancing” is a serious issue for bank tellers, cashiers and anyone who works with a cash drawer. “Making mistakes” can happen and can be excused from time to time and for varying amounts; no one expects perfection. However, “forced balancing” is a type of criminal fraud. It’s an admission that “mistakes were made, but I’m not going to admit to them” or “I’ve committed a crime by taking (or giving away) money deliberately from the cash drawer, and I am now attempting to hide that fact.” It may be that the level of your malfeasance does not rise to a level that the former employer wishes to prosecute you criminally or civilly for recovery of damages, but they have apparently concluded that they no longer wish to have a liar in their employ.

On the other hand, it may be that you are simply an unwitting dupe of someone else who is taking advantage of your naivete to enrich themselves at your expense. Perhaps someone is setting you up to take this fall for their fraud. If that is so then I hope that you can clear your name. But you need to present clear, intelligible, comprehensive and accurate descriptions and accounts of what happened – and I see no evidence of that.

Ana6's avatar

Thank you everyone for the comments . Well actually I am quite fluent in English and its my mother language. Whereas while I was typing the question I was also handling another problem. I know force balancing is a serious issue but I am being blamed for a thing I didn’t do. They said I force balanced my drawer because I changed the denominations a lot n I should have been over 50 because of a wrong transaction I did.

janbb's avatar

@Ana6 Give it up and move on.

Ana6's avatar

Hey everyone just an update . I filed the dispute and I won

janbb's avatar

@Ana6 Good for you! Congrats!

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