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Is the migrant caravan a political ploy?

Asked by Demosthenes (4466points) 4 weeks ago

Obviously both parties are going to take advantage of the situation. What do you think is the best response to the migrant caravan? Trump is proposing cutting off aid to the countries they’re coming from.

Some on the right are now claiming that the Honduran migrant caravan is “fake news” in the sense that they are not actually walking here the way the media is claiming because in reality, it would take months to get from Honduras to the U.S. on foot, yet they will surely be at the U.S. border before election day. I guess we’ll find out!

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Tropical_Willie's avatar

I have a feeling it may not end well for anyone, Trump authorized armed military units to the border.
50 caliber machine guns will mow them down???

ragingloli's avatar

@Tropical_Willie
I wonder how the fascists will/would spin that one.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Most people I know think it is a political ploy aka ‘fake news’ staged by the Dems.

notnotnotnot's avatar

We can thank Clinton for the Honduran situation (her response to the coup, which led to this), and this was an issue prior to the 2016 primaries.

So before Democrats blame Republicans or Trump, let’s be clear that there is more at stake here than political points. We need to be clear that immigrants that are fleeing countries we’ve been meddling in for decades should be welcome here with open arms.

janbb's avatar

I think it’s more like a political hot potato: I don’t see either party benefitting. But I sure don’t think 4,000 people walking up from Handuras are fake news.

janbb's avatar

Edit: “Honduras”

Caravanfan's avatar

I agree with @notnotnotnot

If someone is curious about Clinton and the Obama administration behavior, here is an article. Bottom line is that there was a coup against Zelaya (a leftist democratically elected leader) and the Obama administration refused to declare it a coup saying that it would hurt the Honduran people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/04/19/hillary-clintons-dodgy-answers-on-honduras-coup/?utm_term=.536b067adcca

Dutchess_III's avatar

I find it very odd. It’s like migrants are making a political statement of their own.

flutherother's avatar

The migrant caravans are filled with people fleeing poverty and violence in their home countries. Trump cutting aid to these countries is guaranteed to make the problem worse.

Dutchess_III's avatar

To me it seems to much more purposeful and organized than anything I’ve ever seen before. That’s why it seems political.

flutherother's avatar

@Dutchess_III This is the second such caravan to leave Honduras this year. A similar convoy reached Tijuana on the southern border of the US in April after travelling 3,500km.

That march was organised by a rights group calling itself Pueblo Sin Fronteras (people without borders) which says it is trying to draw attention to the plight facing the migrants at home and the dangers they run during their attempts to reach safety in the US.
For the migrants, especially the most vulnerable ones such as the elderly and mothers with small children, the caravan offers more security than setting off on their own.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I don’t recall hearing about that one. I’m glad the vulnerable ones are safer.

kritiper's avatar

No. It is an event, a happening, a eventuality.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I think it benefits Trump. I wouldn’t say it’s a ploy.
Such pictures of all those brown people coming really stirs up Trump’s base. Just in time for midterms.

Yellowdog's avatar

@MrGrimm888 How would this benefit Trump?

Its a Democrat endeavor, and there is no good outcome for Trump.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Most of Trump’s supporters are stupid bigots. As they are primarily motivated by fear, this gives Trump something to point at as evidence of white Christians losing their culture, and lends some credibility to his ridiculous wall. Their hatred/fear of brown people, should get them to the polls to vote R…

A “democratic endeavor?” What a joke…. Please don’t bother explaining….

Yellowdog's avatar

Of course its a Democratic endeavor. The main sponsor is George Soros.

There is no way it can be a good outcome for Trump. If military action is taken, Trump is Hitler. If Trump lets them in, or they storm the border and fan out—dozens of whom are potential terrorists—Trump is weak and responsible for all the damage they do.

There are women with children among them. Butthe overwhelming majority of them are young men, able bodied, and pretty white btw, Middle Easterners and MS-13 members are among them.

The Democrats have staged this in order to make Trump look bad in time for the midterms. George Soros is one of the main supporters. No matter who is responsible for organizing this “caravan” it is an organized effort of mostly young men—and they plan on storming the U.S. border. Trump will look either inept or like a thug in charge of the military—he loses in time for the midterms no matter what.

This was timed to coincide with effecting Trimp’s image in time for the midterms.

Caravanfan's avatar

@Yellowdog How do you feel about the other Jews who are controlling the Democratic party and the migrant caravan?

Demosthenes's avatar

It seems like any time something happens that the Republicans don’t like, George Soros is blamed.

I think the George Soros conspiracy was started by the Koch brothers (who control everything Republicans do).

Yellowdog's avatar

@Caravanfan How do I feel about the Jews that are in control of the Democratic party? Well, I liked Lieberman. As for the rest, their Jewishness is their only redeeming trait.

@Demosthenes Just because George Soros is blamed doesn’t mean he isn’t involved. He usually is.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Yellowdog Circular logic does you well !

Yellowdog's avatar

George Soros is the bankroll of virtually all left-wing and liberal causes. Is it surprising that he is one of the main sponsors of the caravan?

How is that circular logic?

ragingloli's avatar

And I suppose that justifies mailing him bombs.

janbb's avatar

You really have drunk some Kool-Ade, @Yellowdog . How does this caravan benefit the Democrats, I want to know?

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Yellowdog . You illustrated my point, with your ridiculous nonsense. Middle Easterns (from Honduras,) and MS-13. Sounds like you swallowed the bait hook, line, and sinker. Trump has it too easy.

And all.of this funded by a Democrat? I guess it’s a coincidence that there are civil wars, corruption, and the highest murder rates IN THE WORLD where those “invaders” are coming from.

I agree with you, that Trump has parallels to Hitler. And staying with that logic, we can easily conclude that his supporters have parallels to Nazis…

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Yellowdog Is listening to Trump “Blah Blah the Democrats did it” like the DNC bankrolled them ! Or sent them maps of how ti get to ‘Murraica.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I’m sure that Obama, and/or Hillary had something to do with it as well…. Can’t eat a bullshit sandwich without some Obama, or Hillary on it…

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Or JFK he was a Democrat too! ^^^

I’m afraid when they reach the border and Trump sending troops with order to shoot; CBS, NBC and ABC will be filming 4 year old heads popping like cantaloupe from 50 caliber fire and FOX will be filming the soldiers smiling while they shoot. Later with PTSD the soldiers at the VA will denied them treatment.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I would like to think that our military wouldn’t fire on unarmed civilians. Regardless of orders…

If we cross that line, I will March on Washington DC. I bet I’ll have company. It will be a turning point. I’m not sure how it will end, but it will be the beginning of a civil war.

Demosthenes's avatar

We’re not going to fire on unarmed civilians, yeesh…this isn’t Syria. I mean, if that happened, that would be the biggest thing ever.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Demosthenes If told to STOP them; what are going to do ? ? Take all the kids and send them to East BumF$*k and the parents to Sing-Sing. Never to return the parent and kids?

They still have kids that are “left-overs” from before, in compounds no parents in sight !

MrGrimm888's avatar

If we put troops there, there will eventually be a problem.
I think Trump, and his followers would be fine with a border similar to the Israeli/Palestinian borders. They already support Israel, and how they operate.

Interestingly enough, Israel plays a “YUGE” role in why they have problems with the Palestinians.

Militarization of a border, does not necessarily solve anything.
It can actually exacerbate many problems. It definitely gets innocent people hurt…

Yellowdog's avatar

Ten posts so far, guys.

Keep on having fun!

Yellowdog's avatar

This is one of several “caravans” organized to breach our borders and invade our country. These people are forcing their way, in defiance of police, military, and are breaking through barriers. This is not a peaceful group. But even if they were, they would damage our infrastructure.

Yes, it has been organized by Leftist groups in the respective countries and in the U.S.—timed to coincide with the midterms.

Yellowdog's avatar

@MrGrimm888— We know from homeland security and from Mexican and Central American authorities a lot more about this caravan than you are giving any credit for. This is not Trump somehow dictating this.

Anything Trump does, or does not do, will be Hitler to you. The Media will smear him like they do Israel. No matter what happens. I find it strangely odd that you, and so many others, encourage incivility and mob violence against Republicans and Conservatives, then blame them for the civil unrest and anarchy which your own side alone is propagating.

Several major breaches of our borders such as this are being organized. It will not bode well for the U,S. The trouble is, we will have to take your medicine, too, and we aren’t sick.

ragingloli's avatar

Just like the Communists were responsible for the Reichstag fire.

janbb's avatar

From Time.com on the organizers of this caravan (there have been others):

While no specific group has said it’s responsible for organizing the current caravan, Pueblo Sin Fronteras, founded in 2010, has led asylum-seeking migrants through Central America for more than 15 years, most recently in April — another caravan that drew ire from Trump. The group aims to “provide shelter and safety to migrants and refugees in transit, accompany them in their journey, and together demand respect for our human rights.” Some Pueblo Sin Fronteras leaders and organizers are involved in the current caravan.

Trump has lashed out at the caravan as an example of illegal immigration, threatening to deploy U.S. military force to “close our Southern border” and stop what he has described as a crisis. But illegal border crossings have been declining overall for more than a decade, though the number of border apprehensions fluctuates month-to-month. And under U.S. law, it is legal to petition for asylum at the border, though the process may be lengthy and ultimately unsuccessful.

Yellowdog's avatar

I don’t think you will see any applying for asylum.

This bunch is en masse destroying fences and barricades and ignoring pleas to apply for asylum in the countries they are passing through, and disregarding information that the U.S. will turn them away.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Yellowdog You see a “boogie man” in everybody of color!

Trump’s grounds for turning them back is “There will be no asylum given” contrary to USA law. But hey he see a “boogie man” behind everything.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Like a recovering alcoholic sees an alcoholic under every rock.

ragingloli's avatar

Let it be known that just this week, functional pipe bombs were sent to Soros, Clinton, Obama and CNN.
But of course, it is just those filthy leftists that promote violence.

Dutchess_III's avatar

We are sadists,see. We like blowing ourselves up. We love the pain.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Yellowdog . Wrong again. The left’s aggressions, in every form, are a reactionary/defensive measure, to the actions of the right.
The caravans aren’t seeking in, they’re all walking together, in public view. I did hear that they crashed through 1 barricade on a bridge. That happened at a Metallica concert I was at once. It’s typical with large groups of people getting corralled into tight spaces.

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