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Do you trust Senator Cruz to act in good faith on the lobbyist bill with Rep Ocasio-Cortez? Do you trust her?

Asked by SaganRitual (2072points) June 18th, 2019

(Not to be confused with their conversation about an abortion bill)

Republican Senator Ted Cruz and Democrat Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are working on a bill to prevent congresspersons from becoming lobbyists after they leave office.

Do you approve of them working together? Do you think it’s a pointless gesture? Political theater? Do you trust Senator Cruz to act in good faith? Do you trust Rep Ocasio-Cortez to act in good faith? Do you think it will pass? What is your prediction? Would you be totally stunned if it passed?

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elbanditoroso's avatar

No politician can be trusted, either party.

Cruz, because he has been around longer, is less trustworthy because of his history.

Ocasio-Cortez hasn’t had enough of a chance to corrupt yet. Give her a year.

SaganRitual's avatar

@elbanditoroso Reminds me of an episode of Futurama, where they were televising the presidential debate. The moderator asks the candidates some random question, and everyone spouts buzzwords except for this one guy, who talks about it really intelligently. When he’s finished, there’s a pause, and the moderator says, “That was a very thoughtful and lucid response. YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!”

filmfann's avatar

No one trusts Ted Cruz.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I trust AOC.

Darth_Algar's avatar

“Do you trust Senator Cruz to act in good faith?”

I wouldn’t put money on it.

“Do you trust Rep Ocasio-Cortez to act in good faith?”

I have no reason not to yet.

“Do you think it will pass?”

Not a snowball’s chance in Hell.

JLeslie's avatar

I like the idea of Democrats and Republicans coming together on an initiative, but I am very wary of Ted Cruz. Ever since that Christmas commercial he did when running for President I’ve decided he’s scum. That can’t be blamed on his staff or some outside group, I’ll never get over having his children in that ad. Since then I feel he will stoop to anything, so I don’t trust him.

Cortez I trust her intentions, but I think she could easily make a mistake or not realize consequences.

Is a bill like this likely to get through Congress? Nope.

Time will tell on all of it.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@JLeslie “Cortez I trust her intentions, but I think she could easily make a mistake or not realize consequences.”

Why do you think that?

JLeslie's avatar

@Darth_Algar Her contribution to Amazon pulling out of going to NY. Also, what she recently said about the border detention being concentration camps. I just don’t think she always thinks everything through, or doesn’t take the time to understand the ramifications of what she thinks and says, and how people will react.

SaganRitual's avatar

Right, I forget her age. I guess even the most cynical politician can be a bit naive when they’re young. I suppose Senator Cruz could eat her lunch in a hundred different ways.

@JLeslie Wow! That ad. I had never seen it. If I had come across it randomly, I would have thought I was watching Ted Cruz in a Saturday Night Live skit. Seriously. I thought it was hilarious. Come on, Hilary as the Grinch? Anyway, you know it didn’t change any minds. Peace

JLeslie's avatar

^^I think she’s 29. That’s not that young.

That ad is a disgrace. If children did that to a classmate we would punish them. We say kids should be off limits and then Cruz involves his kids in the mud slinging of a political run. Really nice parenting.~

Cruz’s people also went after Melania, and when Trump retaliated (which I don’t approve of either) Democrats seemed to ignore that the Cruz campaign did do it first I don’t mean that makes it ok for Trump to do it, I mean to be outraged that Trump did something like that and ok with Cruz doing it is hypocritical.

Plus, Cruz is supposed to be one of the “Christian” candidates. What kind of example of Christianity is all of that? I’m usually on the opposite of a issues with the religious right, but I still can respect when they are good men and women and try to conduct themselves in a respectable manner.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

29 is young for profrssional politics. Not young for getting married and raising children.

Darth_Algar's avatar


Nobody in New York wanted Amazon in New York. And NYC officials basically promised Amazon the moon and Amazon still wanted more. When NYC finally put its foot down Amazon grabbed its ball and went home.

JLeslie's avatar

@Darth_Algar Who is nobody in NY? That’s not what the people in NYC who I know are saying. I guess it just depends who you talk to.

@Dutchess_lll Seriously? Get married and have babies? Is that what you would say about a man? 29 is old enough to know that when you start a new job you might not know everything and maybe take a little time to learn the ropes and get some advice from more senior people in the organization. I don’t want to assume she isn’t doing some of that, but she is a little cocky. I like that there is young people in Congress, and more women, but everyone has a learning curve in a new job.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I dont understand the Amazon situation in New York @Darth_Algar. Could you explain?

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Cool your jets @JLeslie. I like AOC. But she is young.
And yes I’d say the same thing about a 29 year old man in politics.

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_lll What does that mean? That you agree she is being a little too impulsive and naïve?

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I mean it’s all relative. 29 is on the old side for just starting a family, but on the young side for jumping headlong into serious politics for the first time.
By the same token we don’t think of the age of 46 as being young in society, but both JFK.and Obama were considered “young” presidents when they took office in their 40s.
I like AOC and I look forward to watching her mature and gain experience. Maybe my grandkids will be voting for her for president in 15 or 20 years.

JLeslie's avatar

^^I don’t hate Cortez, although I’m not happy at all about her comparing the detention centers to Nazi concentration camps.

Again, I’m just talking about starting a new job, and what might be prudent regardless of age.

Most presidents admit to having a learning curve when they start in office no matter how old they are.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I didn’t say you hated her.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@JLeslie “I don’t hate Cortez, although I’m not happy at all about her comparing the detention centers to Nazi concentration camps.”

Let’s ask someone who grew up in a concentration camp.

JLeslie's avatar

@Darth_Algar For that horrible episode in America’s history we typically use the word Internment. I’m not making light of the atrocity of forcing the Japanese into what was basically jail. Technically, I assume the internment camps fit the definition of concentration camps, but it’s still generally not referred to as a concentration camp until all of a sudden now. Meaning the words concentration camp have generally been associated with the holocaust in our country.

Like I said, I’m sure you can find people who will say that what is happening at the border is concentration camps, and I do mean people who have a real right to say so, but I can also find you Native Americans who don’t mind Washington having a mascot called the Redskins, and I’m sure we list many things like this. It doesn’t change that a lot of Jewish people disagree with doing it. It’s not a competition about who is more right.

Mind you, I realize that we conflate concentration camps with death/extermination camp, but the common usage is to refer to the camps in Germany as concentration camps, and the image it conjures is slave labor, mass extermination, and starvation.

I wonder where in the world when large numbers of immigrants without papers come in at once that they don’t have some difficult conditions? Even with papers Ellis Island was no picnic. Of course, that was a long time ago, we would hope we could be better now.

There have been complaints about detention centers here and there in the US since I can remember. It’s not a totally new problem. When I was younger I heard about it in NY centers, and as an adult living in FL there were stories about Miami. In fact, I think sometimes jails are used. This current situation went national. If Trump hadn’t separated kids from their parents and talked up the “invasion” to use his word not mine, who knows if the story would have caught on as it did.

Some of the facilities are much worse than others I’m sure. A family sharing a room for a few days or weeks as they enter a country isn’t dire condition, although I personally want them processed as quickly as possible.

JLeslie's avatar

By the way, a percentage of immigrants are detained in private detention centers from what I understand. Higher percentage than we would probably guess. People profit off of the detention, same as private jails. That’s really horrible in my opinion, and I don’t see anyone reporting on that.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Yes. “Interrment” sounds much nicer than “Concentration camp” @JLeslie. Makes all the difference in the world.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

@Darth_Algar…that wasn’t much of a nutshell but thank you.

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_III I do think in history it probably was purposeful to use the word internment in our history books. Try to make it sound “nicer” as you put it than what the Nazis did, I’m not denying that. No one can call it nice, it’s just degrees of unconscionable horribleness.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I don’t recall reading it in history books. My Mom told me that when she was in elementary school a bunch of her Japanese friends suddenly disappeared because they were sent to “camps.”
Mom is the one who said “Why didn’t they put German kids in camps?”

JLeslie's avatar

Even worse that you weren’t taught about in school. I wonder if it’s taught now?

Darth_Algar's avatar

@JLeslie “For that horrible episode in America’s history we typically use the word Internment.”

Call it whatever you want, it’s still the same thing.

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