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Trump fires Berman. Is this a big deal?

Asked by stanleybmanly (24153points) June 21st, 2020 from iPhone

What are the implications?

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ragingloli's avatar

Well, the guy was only investigating and prosecuting several of drumpf’s criminal associates, including his personal lawyer Giuliani, for his criminal activities in the Ukraine.
Corrupt Fat Slob Barr’s intention had been to replace Berman with a wholly unqualified drumpf bootlicker, who would have been guaranteed to stop any investigations into drumpf’s accomplices, but because Berman refused to play ball, Corrupt Fat Slob Barr is now stuck with Berman’s deputy, so that little stunt seems to have backfired spectacularly.

stanleybmanly's avatar

But won’t the deputy be displaced by the assured bootlicking replacement?

zenvelo's avatar

Just one more piece of evidence that they should all be found guilty of RICO violations.

seawulf575's avatar

I don’t think it is a big deal right now. Bill Barr made the recommendation to President Trump to replace Berman. Trump has basically said the choice was Barr’s to make and he would support that decision. The part I don’t fully understand is the why involved. Why was Barr suggesting Berman step down? I can’t get a clear picture of that. Yeah, the left is saying it is an effort to cover for Trump. The right is saying it has to do with the Durham probe into the Mueller report/investigation. But both seem to be opinion more than fact. I would need to understand this “why” better to determine better if this is anything to get wound up about.

janbb's avatar

@stanleybmanly From what I read, the two Senators from New York would have to approve of anyone nominated to replace Berman. They are not likely to sign off on Barr’s choice who is the head of SEC so the deputy will hold the position for now.

zenvelo's avatar

@seawulf575 it is because of active investigations into Giuliani and his henchmen.

seawulf575's avatar

@zenvelo I’ve heard that opinion as well. What I haven’t seen, though, is an actual, honest-to-God, statement of what led to his dismissal. All of these statements talk about what investigations Berman was involved in or, in the case of the Durham example, what that investigation was looking at with relation to SDNY, but nothing has positively stated these are the reasons. That would look like a statement from Barr giving his reason. Berman was a Trump appointee. It seems like something would have had to have happened to make Barr suddenly want him gone.

zenvelo's avatar

@seawulf575 Barr has completely politicized the Dept of Justice. With Bolton’s book coming out, there is now attention to much of what is being revealed. Barr wanted to make sure he got a lawyer in place with no criminal experience, just financial experience.

seawulf575's avatar

@zenvelo as far as I can see, Barr is trying to depoliticize the DoJ. He is digging into the corruption that may have been in place for the past dozen years. And as I said, Berman was a Trump appointee. Politicizing things would, to my thinking, look somewhat different than firing someone you put into place. Bolton’s book is, I suspect, a huge nothing burger. What I have seen so far of the excerpts, it is nothing more than opinion. The opinion of someone that was fired for getting out of control. So put your faith in it if you like. Just as with the impeachment inquiry, unsubstantiated accusations and blatant opinion seem to be all the press and the Dems need to try writing a story. But, again, all that is speculation as to why Berman was asked to resign. And that is the other part of why it seems odd to call it politicization. He was asked to resign, not fired outright. It wasn’t until he basically made a public spectacle to say he wasn’t going anywhere and they couldn’t make him that he got fired. If you are truly doing things for political reasons, firing outright would have been a much more expedient way to do things. Create whatever excuse you like, but fire him. In this case, no reason has actually come out. Which makes me think it is probably more involving Durham’s investigation or something like that, rather than some sort of ham-handed attempt at obstruction.

seawulf575's avatar

@ragingloli I read that Atlantic article before. The problem with it, as with most articles from the MSM concerning Trump or his administration, is that it lacks actual facts that prove their claim. They give a variety of things, such as the DoJ taking control of the DC US Attorney’s office. Yep, they fired Liu and took control. But the Atlantic applies a reason to it that doesn’t necessarily hold true and it certainly doesn’t address many other reasons that do apply. And then it goes on to state:
“That may be the game plan for New York as well. Barr may want Berman out so that he can use his newly enhanced control to dismiss or short-circuit all of the pending cases in Manhattan that implicate Trump or his associates.”
Please note the biggest variable in that statement: MAY. That MAY be the game plan… Barr MAY want…
That is a way of saying they really don’t know for sure, they have no fact, but they are putting forth an opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. And people like you buy it.

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