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Should we have an out of favor statues park like this one in Russia?

Asked by LuckyGuy (38071points) 1 week ago

Russia has a park specifically dedicated to statues of past regimes and characters fallen from favor. Muzeon Park

Rather than simply tearing down and smashing the statues they are relegated to an area where they can represent a bygone part of Russia’s history.

The statues are not placed high on pedestals in the village squares but rather in groups or spread out in the park where people can look and learn from them.

With statues being taken down now this seem like it can be a teachable moment. A plaque can be added that tells who originally commissioned the statue, what it represented, what it actually represented, and why it was taken down.

Rather than fighting about the removals we all could learn from them.

Are there parks like this in your area?

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lucillelucillelucille's avatar

I don’t know of any but it is a good idea.

ragingloli's avatar

Why not?
But only if there is a shop selling buckets of excrement and fouled vegetables that you can pelt the statues with.

LuckyGuy's avatar

@ragingloli That’s how the place could be funded!
Farmers could donate over ripe veggies. Wildlife would benefit too!

Jeruba's avatar

I like the idea. Who knows when they’ll need to be rotated?

Oh, and we could start off by placing one president’s statue there as its original location.

Darth_Algar's avatar

If someone with private funds wants to then be my guest.

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Yellowdog's avatar

About 90% of the statues being torn down in the current anarchy are not out of favor—y’know, General Grant, the Emancipation Statue, George Washington, Christopher Columbus, et al.

As for the Confederate statues, there is no doubt that they will all eventually be removed. it would be good if they could find a dignified home on private grounds—not “statue parks” or museums but historic homes and sites with actual ties to the Confederacy.

I realize that the ‘real’ Confederacy (not the White Supremacist renditions, nor the romanticized ones of Lynard Skynard, Joan Baez etc etc) was INDEED founded on white supremacy and is indeed a ‘past regime’—and needs to be done with historic context. But it is also a relevant part of American history. Slavery and the Confederacy have indeed had a very significant influence on American history and culture.

If someone owned an antebellum home, tour home, Bed-and-Breakfast, etc. that was relevant to the Confederate South, to history or literature, such statues and monuments should be displayed there, in context, in a dignified way.

JLeslie's avatar

I like it. Would you put it in DC or in a Southern state?

Some states might prefer to keep the statues near their original place that they stood, I am ok with moving them to a specific area with explanations of where they stood, the truth about why and when they were erected, etc.

kritiper's avatar

Yes, or something similar. The statues are art. If certain people don’t like them they don’t have to go and see them. It’s not like they will be on some public thoroughfare.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Putting them on various separate properties would be expensive and annoying for those desiring to see them.

I’m quite in favor of a single property.

Interesting that it was Russia who thought of it first.

Pandora's avatar

We have museums for that. If anything I honestly think maybe there shouldn’t be statues made to honor anyone except maybe people who did something awesome to save lives. Instead, most of our statues are for those who killed or are responsible for many deaths. Why are there hardly any statues dedicated to someone who helped save lives? Like Alexander Fleming who discovered penicillin.

It’s not like people can’t learn about our history in books or online or museums. It’s how most of us learn about history. Real history buffs are the only ones who get a kick out of seeing statues of people they read about. Most of society doesn’t care. It’s why I find it funny that so many people were opposed to having them taken down. Millions of people walk by statues every day without even knowing who it is. Especially in the US. I’ve walked into museum exhibits where they will show a short video and it will play in a loop and most people will watch for maybe 5 minutes and move on if it’s longer than 5.

And now with phones people will stand in front of a statue and not even bother to read the plaque. They will take photos of it and say they will read it later. You know they won’t.

So the desire to keep the statues is because bigots hate their reminder of a time they wish still existed being taken away. Bet you most bigots don’t even care but it bothers minorities and so they need it to stick around. Nah, melt it all down and build something good out of it.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Ask anthropologists how easily written accounts can be lost, obliterated, or entire languages wiped out.
Just because everyone isn’t curious about what someone looks like doesn’t mean nobody is, or will be. Same goes for studying history, the good and the bad.

The destruction behavior is infantile. It is the same mindset as another thread topic recently posted, I don’t like them doing this. I’m going to kill them.
It isn’t your (any person) place to decide for everybody.
If I were going to visit a large collection of infamous statues, I would have no fun seeing them in a museum. Museums feel anti artistic to me. I would much rather a park-like setting, or better yet, a huge forest. You could go by map, or wing it and search for what hides beyond the next tree.
Paintball park? Proceeds go to erect statues of heroes in prominent public places.

ragingloli's avatar

Of course, the counterpoint to such a park is this:

The birthhouse of Hitler, and the graves of Nazi criminals have become sites of pilgrimage for various scum, and you do not want to encourage that.

Yellowdog's avatar

I cannot say what happens in Deutschland—except for Holocaust survivors and people who want to see what happened.

We’ve had some really dire Civil Rights issues in the States—against the Native Americans, the African Americans, and even the Japanese. But we’ve never had a Hitler, a Stalin, Gulags, or a Holocaust. Mostly thanks to some of the historic figures whose statues are being desecrated or destroyed.

ragingloli's avatar

Your genocide against the native americans definitely qualifies as a holocaust.
The Japanese “internment camps” definitely were concentration camps/gulags. (you are running camps even today, though you use euphemisms for them)

https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/native-american-genocide-or-holocaust-f9BbVANPQEOn_BzVGhOJ5g

Jeruba's avatar

@ragingloli, “sites of pilgrimage”—excellent point. Reconsidering my answer.

Yellowdog's avatar

I’ve never seen a statue or site of pilgrimage to honor those who spread smallpox to commit genocide on Native Americans. But I agree that the practice happened.

SEKA's avatar

Russia thought of it first because they wanted the people to forget the old and embrace the new. Make it inconvenient and they won’t come

Yellowdog's avatar

And attending a park of statues sounds about as interesting as a school field trip to the municipal impound lot on a sweltering, blistering summer day. Make it not only inconvenient but boring as shit, and uncomfortable to the threshold of punishment, and nobody comes.

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