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Isn't this a form of sabotage?

Asked by sinscriven (6695points) March 4th, 2008

I was listening to the Tom Leykis show yesterday, and there was one female caller that called in saying that she was a democrat, but also a McCain supporter; however, in the primary in her state she voted for Hillary. But her reasoning wasn’t that she disliked Obama, or even that she liked Hillary. She figured if she could help Hillary win the nomination, that McCain would crush her in the general election.

I got pretty irritated when I heard what amounts to be political sabotage, and I feel is counterproductive to the whole political process. Shouldn’t a vote be used to support policy you approve of, and not be used as a weapon against people you dislike?

I’m just wondering if people are okay with this type of action, and if there is a general question of ethics that could be discussed in this.

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squirbel's avatar

If you listen to Nader’s interview on 60 minutes last Monday, he was describing his reason for running. He detailed how political maneuvering was in the hands of the voters, and his goal was to teach voters to use their votes to get certain results. He further explained that siphoning votes away from one candidate would be a political and tactical ability available only to voters.

You can download the full podcast through the website or iTunes.

cwilbur's avatar

The primary vote is to determine which of the people the voter thinks the party should nominate for the Presidential election, and she answered that honestly. She just wants Clinton to win so that McCain will have an easier time in the national election, which is as good a reason to vote for Clinton as any.

cake7's avatar

I have to agree with cwilbur.

tekn0lust's avatar

In Texas voting in a parties primary means that for the next 12 months you must vote that party. What she did wouldn’t work in Texas, and many other states, I suspect.

Poser's avatar

She was using her vote to support policy she approves of: McCain’s. She believes that a vote for Hillary in the primaries would make it that much easier for McCain to win. She wasn’t voting against Hillary because she disliked her.

ironhiway's avatar

Open primaries are defeating to those in that party unless in this case your Hillary.
Rush Limbaugh is advocating just that in the guise that it would help McCain, though it may also be a veiled attempt to revive interest in Hukabee. Worst case outcome For this voter is H wins Texas and Ohio and goes on to defeat the republican nominee in November. I think the next eight years would be somewhat painful for that one voter. Vote how you want and live with the results.

gooch's avatar

I don’t think so. My state has a closed primary and I am an Independant so I don’t get to vote. That’s not fair because I then vote for President in the final election which is a Democrat or Republican.

treloni's avatar

In Texas if you vote in the primary you are REGISTERED in that party, but they can’t force you to VOTE for that party in the general election unless you vote straight party ticket. They can’t “check” your ballot to ensure which party you vote with, and if you don’t vote straight party ticket, you can vote for any of the individual candidates.

I’m from Texas, and I can’t tell you how many REPUBLICANS I talked to who voted for Hillary yesterday because they thought that she would be more easily defeated than Obama. And then they can still turn around and vote Republican in the general election.

My friend went to the Democratic caucus for her area last night, and said the support was probably 80% Obama and 20% Hillary if that gives you any idea of how many of Hillary’s votes weren’t from her supporters.

Angelina's avatar

In my opinion, to vote in a Democrat primary, you should either be registered as a Democrat or an Independent. The registration deadline should be 2 weeks to 1 month in advance of the primary. Same goes for Republican primaries. I think it’s important to allow Independents to support a candidate in the primary, but it’s important to prevent opposition party members from crossing-over the same day of an election to try to game the system.

ironhiway's avatar

Those who would try to game the system as you say would register Independent.
It would be better to let them all vote only for the party in which the have registered. If they don’t want to claim a party then that is their choice.

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