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What would you do if a hate group (KKK, Nazis, etc.) was going to march through your community?

Asked by Brian1946 (24345points) October 3rd, 2010

Do you think such groups have a right to do so?

This was an issue for Skokie, IL in 1977 and 1978: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skokie,_Illinois#NSPA_controversy

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Aster's avatar

Lock the doors and windows then peek out. One gunshot and I’m under a bed . No; I wouldn’t fit under a bed. So one gunshot and I’d get in the bathtub?
I can’t wait to read the posts of the people who will “go outside and have a talk with them.”

poisonedantidote's avatar

Tall building + bucket of pig shit and fish guts.

Do they have the right? yes, any and all groups have the right to march anywhere they like. however, i and all my friends have the right to march in the opposite direction carrying signs saying what we think of them.

rebbel's avatar

I would do the same as when the Love Parade went marching through my neighborhood…, nothing.
Of course they have the right to do so, if they have asked for, and received a permit.
Freedom of speech, freedom of demonstration.
In my country anyway.

muppetish's avatar

Stay indoors and encourage others to stay clear of the streets. It is within their rights to organize a march (as long as they follow safety regulations, cause no physical harm to those around them, etc.) and I would not prevent them from exercising this right no matter how much I disagree with their views.

I have no objection to @poisonedantidote‘s take either. They have to be ready to hear those with opposing views to approach them during the demonstration. Free speech flows all ways.

Loried2008's avatar

I don’t think they should have a right. I’m not really sure legally how that works though. We are all people and discrimination is wrong no matter how someone puts it. Would I do something if the KKK was marching through the streets in my little town in Bama? Yes. The rednecks here make me sick and I wouldn’t be afraid to say something.

TexasDude's avatar

While my baser emotions tell me that I’d like to load up my AR15 and find a nice window, my civilized self tells me that these scumbags have the right to free speech…. which in the end, is a good thing for everyone.

Therefore, I’d just ignore them. They do these rallies for themselves and thrive off the attention, anyway. These groups are the closest things real life internet trolls.

rangerr's avatar

My answer is pretty much the same as @rebbel.

We have a pretty big KKK group around here.. they’ve marched through town before.
I have uncles who have marched with them.

I don’t agree with some of their beliefs, but I’m sure they don’t agree with some of mine..

Vunessuh's avatar

To be honest, my city wouldn’t tolerate it. I live in one of the most versatile communities in the United States. We have blacks, hispanics, Jews, Armenians, asians, native americans, indians, gays, transexuals and a profound amount of each. Now, do they have the right to march here like the gay community has the right to march? Of course. But people here would most likely retaliate because of how much tolerance and acceptance this city has established for everyone’s individuality. I know that sounds contradictory, since the KKK and Nazi’s are individuals too, but I guess it would be the fact that they’re more so promoting hate rather than love and that would rile people up here.

Rarebear's avatar

It’s guaranteed by the First Amendment.

tragiclikebowie's avatar

I am reminded of the Blues Brothers movie…

I’m not entirely sure if it would be guaranteed under Free Speech. There are limitations on Free Speech when it comes to hate speech.

talljasperman's avatar

I agree with @aster bathtub sounds like a good place for me… I’ll order a pizza and wait it out

airowDee's avatar

Yes, and I will try to engage with them and ask them why they are doing what they do as peacefully as I can be.

FutureMemory's avatar

I’d take a boombox down to the demonstration and blast some Bob Marley. One Love.

Neizvestnaya's avatar

I’d tolerate their right to organize and their freedom of speech while going about my business. I’d also hope for some random freak accident like a clump of chemically frozen sewage to fall from an overhead dumping airplane to fall over them.

MissAnthrope's avatar

They have a right to organize peacefully and to free speech, as @Neizvestnaya said. Frankly, this sort of thing would NEVER happen here. There’d be about a million people swarming such an event and protesting. I don’t know how the law works regarding approval of these kinds of permits, but I would imagine these groups not being able to get them here because doing so would probably cause rioting or something.

Hypothetically, if the KKK or neo-Nazis wanted to march through this town, I’d be on the sidelines protesting, along with a ton of other people.

zenvelo's avatar

I’d counter protest. They have a right to make asses of themselves, and I have a right to point it out to the community.

Nullo's avatar

Strictly speaking, the Nazis are a political group with misanthropic tendencies, not a hate group per se.

I’d very likely ignore a Klan parade or a Nazi rally (or a NAROL/Planned Parenthood march, for that matter). I won’t be able to persuade them – that requires a willingness to be persuaded, and people who march in rallies are invariably set in their ways – so there’s no point in talking or counter-protesting, and it’s very probable that I’d do something ill-advised and illegal.

Parrappa's avatar

I wouldn’t personally organize opposition myself, but if one was scheduled by another person, I’d march against the hate group in an instant.

josie's avatar

I hope it goes without saying that I do not think much of the KKK or the Nazis.
But, that being said…
What is a hate group?
Is Al Qaeda a hate group?
Is Le T a hate group?
Would YOU protest a rally sponored by the above appeared on your public square?
Is the Libertarian party a hate group?
Or is that different?
I have never heard a working definition of a hate group, other than they are people who do not agree with the American neo-Left. If that is not the definition, then what is it?

Jabe73's avatar

Shortly after I got out of high school back in the early nineties there were a small group of slightly older kids that were a part of a large white supremacy group out of Harrisburg, PA but they got kicked out and started their own white supremacy group of skinheads in my area. I knew half of them from school. They grew and grew until they reached somewhere around a hundred in membership (they even had their own cards they handed out trying to gain new recruits). They used to march through town on the main streets helping the elderly cross the streets, holding doors open for them and all that type of stuff. I’m still not sure why they formed because there were really no minorities where I live at that time. It was an intimidating site however when you would be by yourself leaving a store and seeing a group of 20 to 30 skinheaded guys with combat boots, red laces and swastika tattoos approaching you. They started attacking the white kids in town that wouldn’t join them, I guess because they had no one else to attack. The group was eventually dismantled by the police after several skinheads who were busted for several criminal offenses started ratting out their fellow skinheads for this groups vast involvements in many crimes, burglaries, etc. The group fell apart from the inside out and eventually turned on itself (because of mistrust I’m assuming).

How ironic, the skinheads who suppositively formed to help “fight crime” from the increasing minority population were the biggest perpetrators themselves of crime in the area at that time. That was my lone experience with any such group. It was the only time we’ve had any type of “gang” or “hategroup” in my area. I guess it’s their right to march but these skinheads crossed the line. They were not a group who marched occasionally, rather they loitered in town harrassing people.

buster's avatar

I ignore them. I grew up with the KKK and Aryan Nations marching through the square of Pulaski Tennessee every MLK day really close to where I live. The Klan Started in Pulaski. Most people ignore them. Only people that show up to the rallies are maybe 15–20 racist and a couple of pissed off black people yelling at them. I witnessed that when I made the mistake to go buy Nikes at a showstore on the Pulaski Square when I was in High School. This last July the Aryan Nations came to Lawrenceburg Tennessee. I grew up in Lawrenceburg 15 miles from Pulaski. So my little sister is a seasonal park ranger at David Crockett State Park in Lawrenceburg Tennessee. These ayran nation fucks from southern California planned a rally in Pulaski. They camped out at Crockett Park and flew swastikas and other racist flags. It upset my baby sister. I was in county jail at the time. One of them aryan nation fucks got picked up and put in my pod. He started running his mouth and a couple of black dudes and a mexican busted his head wide open on the floor. I just ignore them. The skinheads rallied in Portland Oregon when I lived there. I just ignored them.

rooeytoo's avatar

I’d feel about it the same way I feel about the muslims who want to build their place around the corner from ground zero, I wouldn’t like it at all, but it is legal so what are you going to do!!!!! (other than rant and rave on fluther)

judochop's avatar

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

Racists are fanatics. All fanatics are ridiculous, regardless or their cause.

I’d let them march freely. I would do the same as I have done in the past. Shoot dirty looks and probably throw a finger in their direction a few times. I’ve encouraged them and taunted them to break their line and start fighting, they never have.
Really they are doing us all a favor by opening up in public. At least you know who not to hangout with.

Nullo's avatar

@judochop In fact, Voltaire never actually said that. Those words were from a friend of his, provided when asked to describe the man.

phaedryx's avatar

Yes, they have the right.

I’m reminded of a group of people I saw out demonstrating once (of the Westboro Baptist Church variety) spewing their hate-filled messages. Apparently, another local church group had had enough of them and they gathered their choir across the street. The choir sang loudly and beautifully about God, peace, and love; so loudly, in fact, that the initial group couldn’t be heard at all. The choir wasn’t confrontational. They didn’t even acknowledge the first group, but their message was clear. It really impressed me.

I also have free speech. I would want to do something similar.

augustlan's avatar

When I first moved to the last town I lived in, the grand dragon of the KKK lived just 15 minutes north of us. They marched in my town, and I was absolutely stunned. I’d grown up in a very diverse area, and had actually thought the KKK was a thing of the past. Ugh. What an eye opener that was. Shortly after we moved there, the town stopped allowing them to march (I don’t remember what legal grounds they used, but they had one that was a least marginally legitimate). If it happened today, I’d likely counter protest in a peaceful fashion.

NaturallyMe's avatar

I’d also stay at home and out of their way, hoping they’ll disappear soon and never come back.

Aesthetic_Mess's avatar

I know the KKK lives right down the street from them, and I am Indian, like Asian Indian, and I know they are planning something because one of the guys told me. God im scared

Nullo's avatar

@Aesthetic_Mess Sounds like it might be time to invest in one of these. Make sure that you don’t use it unless they actually break in to your house.
In fact, oven cleaner driven by an aerosol propellant is better suited to small groups (1–3) of intruders, as it will merely melt the eyes and skin off of a person’s face and perhaps damage their lungs, and appears more unquestionably as an act of self-defense. But it lacks range and psychological impact.

For the record, I am not an AK-47 fan. I do, however, admire their low cost, reliability, and the way that Kalashnikov n00b-proofed it.

I’m sorta with @josie on the hate-calling; it’s dangerous to just go around accusing people of ‘hate;’ that’s the realm of thought crime, and we are as yet still unable to read minds. And it is overwhelmingly used to describe people who are at philosophical odds with the Left. Tea Party? Haters? Pull the other one, it’s got bells on it. Anyway, that’s an awfully convenient way to get people to shun them, isn’t it?

incendiary_dan's avatar

Stock up on ammo, make sure my guns are in working order, and then sit at home watching the news/listening to the radio and hoping that I don’t actually have to use them. I’m “multi-ethnic” but look white, but also have a non-European last name. I have had to deal with white supremacists before, who assume I’m white, so probably nothing to worry about. Then again, a lot of racists hate “race-traitors” worst of all, so perhaps my association with radical anti-racism might make me a target. I’d mostly be worried that they or someone else would start something that got out of hand. So basically like every other day but with a bit more attention.

Other than that, I think trying to stop them by some legal means (petitions, trying to get the town to revoke permits or somesuch) would only cause a lot of trouble with little reward, and perhaps in some way give legitimacy to their twisted beliefs in the eyes of the public, were they to take advantage of the PR.

@Aesthetic_Mess I second @Nullo on the AK if you have the cash. And I am an AK fan: they’re cheap, shoot well enough, frightening, and hard to damage. I was thinking of saving up for a second one for my partner. A plain old pump action 12 ga might be easier, or at least cheaper. Mossbergs are good for that.

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