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Do you actually think some people are worth killing or should die?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (26879points) September 19th, 2011

The #1 question could not be asked because the code missed it as a duplicate, so, you get this one; life with it

With the 9/11 remembrances not truly in the past and people saying how heinous the attackers were, for wanting to kill that many people, or anyone for that matter, and wanting to be seen as better than the attackers, who appear not to respect for human life. Based of this question, it seems that people will make exception, there are some they will see as less deserving of life. Stripped to its core, to use the past of a person as the criteria on if they deserve to live in the present, is still making a judgment on their fitness to live. Is that judgment vastly different from those out there that would kill themselves and other because they placed a value on those people’s worthiness to live based off past or present facts?

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JilltheTooth's avatar

I do not think every human life is automatically sacred. I think one can forfeit his/her right to have his/her life treated as sacred by the commission acts so heinous that they have no business being associated with any human society.

Let the games begin.

CaptainHarley's avatar

Some people indeed place themselves beyond he pale, so to speak, by committing acts so reprehensible as to deserve the label “sub-human.” Still, in reference to your other question, I am not called to be judge, jury and executioner. As one with medic’s training it is still my reponsibility to make every effort to save human life, even the life of one I believe to be guilty of evil acts.

Nullo's avatar

Yes. There are some things so heinous that the only suitable punishment is death.

TexasDude's avatar

If someone is actively and imminently trying to kill me, I don’t think there is anything irrational about killing (or at least stopping) them first.

digitalimpression's avatar

Pedophiles = Not human. Kill em. Or at the very least, chop off the weapon vital for their crime to occur. Rapists = same.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Yes, I do actually think that some people deserve to die, child molesters being at the top of that list. I do not believe that everyone has the “right” to live, not if they have done something so evil as to paint their “soul” black.

Sexual predators, be they pedophiles or serial rapists, are evil, twisted beings. Not “human” beings, just beings. They have commited crimes, so heinous, so disgusting, that they have given up their “rights” to life. IMO anyway. I know other people see it differently.

Keep_on_running's avatar

Simple answer…yes.

Coloma's avatar

“Evil” people are sick people.
Bottom line.

To kill sick people makes the killer just as sick.

Healthy “normal” people do not kill each other nor commit violent crimes against each other.
I agree that those that are dangerous and a have a history of violence, terrorism, pedophilia, whatever, need to be separated from society, but, I do not agree with killing.

Quite frankly IMO, we put a lot of emphasis on the relatively few really deviant types, have a ” hang em’ high ” mentality, while some of the worst suffering is perpetrated by equally sick, mentally, emotionally and spiritually “normal” people.

For every rapist, terrorist, serial killer there are 50 equally disturbed types that just quietly go about destroying others lives, finances, families, relationships under the radar.

You know…the sociopath next door.

I have no answers, other than I know that I, would have no hand, nor take any pleasure in being judge, jury and executioner.

I truly hope I never have to involved in any sort of jury situation that would put me in a position to choose death for another regardless of the circumstance.

No thanks.

Ayesha's avatar

For me, simply people who torture animals, or owners who don’t give their pets the attention they need, should die a horrible death.

King_Pariah's avatar

Yes totally, from pedophiles to rapist, jihadist mastermind to serial killer, etc.

And Justin Bieber, no one should have to suffer that assault of the senses.

woodcutter's avatar

As long as they are truly guilty of terrible acts then kill them off. If someone is threatening another with severe bodily harm and had not carried it out quite yet but is in the process of then it is the duty of the defender to put them down. Self defense should be a proper license to kill if it leads to that. It’s a shame the last two additions to SCOTUS feel differently.

CaptainHarley's avatar

“Feelgoodism,” sometimes known as political correctness, has no place in government. This includes things like the death penalty. The public has a right to a reasonable expectation of safety and security, and those who insist in violating it ( especially if they are repeat offenders ) should expect dire consequences for doing so.

6rant6's avatar

I think there are people the world would be better off without.

However, the process of identifying those people and carrying out the sentence is damaging to good people. There is a heart-hardening process that takes place with the administration of justice.

The fact that in the real world, such processes often err, killing the wrong people, makes it damaging to everyone. If you don’t feel bad that innocent people may have been killed on your behalf, then clearly you are damaged.

DominicX's avatar

Yes, I do. I oppose the death penalty because I don’t like the idea of the government being able to kill people and I understand that innocent people may be killed that way. However, I don’t really care if someone like a serial killer is killed for what they’ve done; as far as I’m concerned, they deserve it.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I can think some people are worth killing but that doesn’t mean I think I should or that I get to decide that kind of thing.

Pandora's avatar

Yes. The moment a person puts themselves above the law and kills others for his own enjoyment or personal gains (Hitler, people in cartels, terrorists, exxon) Point is I know people will claim that some of them are not responsible because they are crazy. Funny how a crazy person knows that he has a right to survive or all these bastards would be suicidal (ok some terrorist are suicidal but not their bosses)
I look at crazy this way. I don’t have to agree with the laws to follow them. Killing people to make money or power or position or even for kicks doesn’t mean that you get a free pass to do what a person wants to do.

cockswain's avatar

Yes, I think there are people that should be killed. We kill animals that attack people that don’t know any better. By that logic, a human who commits heinous acts did know better and committed a worse crime.

MRSHINYSHOES's avatar

There are some people who are so irreprehensible and incorrigible, like some of the 9/11 terrorists, that in my opinion deserve to be killed. To kill so many innocent people, and still continue to harbor hate and a joy for doing so, is a legimate reason to get rid of them. If we don’t, they will just go on murdering innocent people without remorse, and that in itself is much, much worse than killing the low-life.

cheebdragon's avatar

Yes. I can think of several people who should be killed….I’d do it myself but I’m claustrophobic and ♥ my iPad way too much to spend the rest of my life In prison….

FutureMemory's avatar

I’m not sure how I feel about this.

There are plenty of people that I think don’t deserve to live, but I’m not too comfortable having the power to make the decision to end their lives.

Murderers don’t deserve to live. If you rob someone and kill them in the process, I don’t think you have the right to exist among civilized people. You forfeited that right when you decided to take someone’s life for the $15 in their pocket.

Pedophiles I don’t think deserve to be killed. I think they’re mentally ill, and for the sake of research should be studied rather than destroyed.

I don’t think rapists deserve to live amongst civilized people, but I don’t know if they deserve death. As terrible a crime as rape is, I do think there’s a difference between harming someone and actually killing them. I don’t think I can condemn someone to death for ‘only’ harming someone.

For those that I’ve said don’t deserve death, I can’t say I’m too fond of the idea of paying to keep them alive. Not that killing people is cheap – I know people on death row cost tax payers a pretty penny.

tinyfaery's avatar

I am in no position to decide wether or not a person deserves to live or die; I am not omniscient. However, there are many people that could drop of the face of fluther the earth and I might throw a little party.

FutureMemory's avatar

@tinyfaery Your bitterness makes me sad for you.

KateTheGreat's avatar

No.

We just need to take a time machine to rewind to their birth, snatch the baby up, and place them in the Evil Baby Orphanage.

tinyfaery's avatar

I don’t need your pity, but if you want to give me something I could use a few bucks.

Actually, my bitterness is funny. There are a few here who can attest to that.

cheebdragon's avatar

Bitterness is pretty fucking awesome, I must agree ↑

tinyfaery's avatar

Aww, I lurve you @cheebdragon

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Some points to cover.
Since so many of you seem to walk down the same path, I will treat the issue in general as to not have to repost over and over

People say ”evil”, evil to whom? Is this a scientific determination, or majority consensus? Whose majority? What is done in the East might be seen as evil to those in the west and visa versa. If the group you are not apart of believe it is justified to plant bombs, or even be a suicide bomber to ”get those evil people”, of which you are to them, why would they be less right in their thinking than you are with yours?

Self-defense is a given, anyone attacked, even by a near extinct bear or bobcat will protect themselves.

What if the propose evilness was done in the past? If you have a dry cleaners you thought perfect and was a customer for years, then discovered he came from a long family of Klansmen, and even in his younger days in the 60s, formed a KKK chapter on the West coast to try and spread it there. Is that evil? Is that evil enough for death? What if they actually planned but never got the chance, on how to go lynch Blacks and gays, and have their ducks in a row. Who was to dispose of the bodies, serve as alibi, be transportation, etc, would that raise above the bar of evil enough to die?

If out there, and I am sure there are, there are those who believe greed and conspicuous consumption, abortion, sexing around unwedded, etc were evil or repugnant, and thought those who did those things should die, do you think they have the right to believe that of you as you might of them? Would someone holding the act of the US being the only nation to actually use WMD on another human and determine Yankees deserve to die, even it that was near 70yrs ago be correct simply because they were disgusted any nation would have the audacity to use a WMD on another human?

Hibernate's avatar

Some would better die and “help” out human kind. They just waste their time, for themselves or to others.
I’m gonna say evil people or good people should die. Not deserve to die but would be of a much help if they weren’t living.

cockswain's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central Regarding your last paragraph, that kind of just sums up the way it is. Whether it is “right” or not is usually dynamic and changes as culture evolves. It used to be people thought different races shouldn’t marry. That was a cultural norm at the time. Was it right by today’s standards? No, at least not by most people’s standards today. Does someone have the right to believe it today? Sure, but most people would hate their point of view, and few would respect their beliefs, let alone their right to try and enforce them as laws.

We’ve got plenty of hot topic social issues that time will tell if we are “right” or “wrong” about them now. To most of us on the planet, Sharia Law would be abhorrent. Yet there are millions of people who think any other way of life is a sin. In 100 years, I’m guessing we’ll look back and say we were “wrong” how we chose to consume our energy and resources.

My point is these are dynamic, cultural opinions. I think there are plenty of things that are “wrong” today, but my opinion isn’t stopping millions of people from doing them as they are perfectly legal and accepted. The interesting thing is to note how and why these opinions change.

ddude1116's avatar

Unfortunately, yes. There are evil men out there, and evil men have forsaken their rights to live. Beyond that, I cannot figure, for what constitutes evil is difficult to say. All humans see through a veil of their own craft and surely have self-justification, some that may even hold merit in other’s reality.

Coloma's avatar

A little evil trivia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

One alternative to evil is to recycle it in a different way. lol

Joker94's avatar

Of course. It’s a sad fact, sure, but there is such a thing as evil out there, and it does deserve to be punished.

jrpowell's avatar

I’m going to go with never killing unless you can put BBQ sauce on it.

Toss them in hole with Ann Coulter books. That is worse than death.

mrrich724's avatar

I think the better question is that is any human truly deserving of the right to decide the fate of another’s life.

To that I answer no.

A serial killer probably can not be stopped, and it seems like death is a benefit to society b/c someone so demented that they would act in a way which causes others to consider the value of killing that person can not be stopped any other way.

But who are you (or anyone else) to be the decision maker?

Neizvestnaya's avatar

I feel molesters, rapists and torturers are worthy of being put to death. They don’t need to breed, they don’t need to suffer being locked up and no one needs to be burdened with caring for them.

cheebdragon's avatar

The problem is that everyone has a different definition of evil, some people would consider Charles Manson evil, but I just don’t associate him with evil at all.

Coloma's avatar

Disclosure, for the sake of anti-hypocrisy purposes. lol
I did just announce I would “sacrifice” someones grand child I know to save all of humanity. haha

Berserker's avatar

I agree with @The Bastard
If someone’s trying to kill me, they better be able to, cuz otherwise fuck em lol.

I’m also not fond of people who blow up their kids with bombs or governments that force people to rip each other’s nutsacks off with their teeth. This is cruelty I think we can do without.

CaptainHarley's avatar

The ultimate, 21st Century question: “Who’s to say?” Actually, it’s the aggregate effect of individuals who are to say operating through the law.

bea2345's avatar

Actually, most of us would probably refrain from dancing on somebody’s grave; but there are occasions when one goes to the funeral to make sure the person’s dead.

YoBob's avatar

I rather like Samuel Clemens’s comment on the topic:

“I’ve never killed a man. However, I have read many an obituary with a great sense of satisfaction!”

YARNLADY's avatar

I would much rather have someone develop a cure for sick people. Perhaps some type of brain medication that would help them become responsible members of society.

cockswain's avatar

I don’t get the assumption that every person who commits a vile act is simply sick. Some of them are sick, some of them are just purely selfish assholes that kill for greed or other things.

YARNLADY's avatar

@cockswain I believe the type of anti social behavior is an aberration and can be corrected.

cockswain's avatar

Really? Every person in jail is capable of rehabilitation? I don’t know, maybe that’s true. I’m not personally aware of there being evidence that proves that. That doesn’t mean there isn’t such evidence, just none that I’ve been shown.

But if a husband kills his wife for the insurance money, that sort of premeditated act could be mentally “corrected” to societal norms? That’s tough for me to accept. But again, maybe you know some study I don’t know of.

YARNLADY's avatar

@cockswain Every case of anti social behavior is the result of a mistake in the software, and could be corrected if we only had a more advance understanding of how the brain works.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@YARNLADY

That scares the hell out of me, and I don’t scare easily. The government could rearrange my brain to make me happy to pay taxes and vote the party line? OMG!

YoBob's avatar

@YARNLADY – Have you ever read “A Clockwork Orange”?

YARNLADY's avatar

@CaptainHarley Yes, of course they could. Remember the old days when they experimented on prisoners and soldiers without their knowledge, and the days when having a lobotomy or shock therapy was common place, as well as sterilizing people with Down Syndrome without their knowledge or consent? Do you have fluoride in your water?

We have to guard against that type of thing all the time. Some people believe mandatory inoculation is in that same category, and they home school their children to avoid it.

@YoBob Yes, I have. The worst case scenario is a good warning for us to be on our toes when it comes to medical improvements, not to avoid them.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@YoBob Have you ever read “A Clockwork Orange”? THAT was the first thing that popped into my mind LOL LOL

augustlan's avatar

No, I don’t.

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