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(NSFW) Guys who have to control during oral?

Asked by craftschick (25points) March 7th, 2012

I’m really starting to wonder if I’m the only one having this issue with guys. I’ve had this issue not just with the guy I’m currently seeing, but a few guys in the past too, pretty much the same deal.

Whenever I go to give him a bj, he starts controlling it all himself by grabbing my head and pushing and shoving down, etc. Usually he pushes too much and I start gagging like crazy and tearing up because it’s literally jamming into my throat, it feels like I’m pretty much deep throating and at warp speed. He’ll sometimes just hold me there and won’t let me move while I’m pretty much choked and then grabs me by the nose. What the hell is that about?? He’ll tell me to “take it all the way” which I can’t, but then he just pushes my head until it does anyway and I feel like I’m gonna freak.

I guess my question is, anyone else have or had this issue with guys before, always controlling it you during a blowjob? Why are they not content to let you do it yourself? And do they not realize when they start pushing a girl’s head down like that it makes us choke and hurts??

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LuckyGuy's avatar

I’ve never done that to a woman. If I did, I’d rightly expect that to be the last time she ever “took care” of me.
Why would you ever give a guy like that a blow job a second time? Jeez!

I think he’s been watching too many porn flicks. Tell the jerk those girls were paid to choke and pretend they like it.
And the first time he slaps your face – make it be the last. Twist his nuts like a door knob. Got it?

Aethelflaed's avatar

Yeah, I’ve had dudes do this, and it is a massive, huge, giant red flag. Get the hell away from dudes that do this. Seriously, these are the dudes that have trouble with issues of consent, and the idea that “no means no”.

Not all dudes do this. Some are really ok.

chyna's avatar

I agree with @LuckyGuy. If anyone ever did that to me, it would be the last time he would want one from me. Teeth hurt.

janbb's avatar

Tell him once – and not during sex – that you cannot have him doing that and if he does it again, show him the door.

chyna's avatar

I agree with @LuckyGuy. If someone did that to me, it would be the last time he would even want a bj from me. Teeth hurt.
No one has ever done that to me.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

If a guy can’t just let you decide how you want to suck his cock and forces you to do anything, then you don’t need or want this guy, Offering suggestions or expressing preferences are appropriate, that’s how we all learn to please our lovers. Forcing is never ok!

LuckyGuy's avatar

Clearly you are seeing the wrong guys. Stop dating/mating with that type. They are abusers.

Boy this pisses me off !

syz's avatar

You’re dating the wrong kind of guys.

mazingerz88's avatar

It’s called facefucking. It’s not for everyone.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@mazingerz88 No, it’s not. Facefucking is when you ask the person with the mouth beforehand if it’s cool if you do that, and then make sure it stays cool during the facefucking.

Blackberry's avatar

(Obligatory biting penis joke)

Shippy's avatar

No I have never had that, maybe those guys watch too much porn, as I see “gagging” is popular now and nose holding. So maybe they are just acting out what they see. I’d be just plain annoyed to be honest if that happened to me. I think the porn industry too is desperate for new material and invented gagging and suffocation for that purpose. You are very patient, because I have large teeth and he’d feel them.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I cannot overstate how fast that hand of his would be broken if anyone ever tried that with me. Unless I expressly state that I want you to do that with my head as I am giving you head, you are not going to play out your loser sexist fantasies with me.

wundayatta's avatar

I think that some guys who watch a lot of porn (or even a little) think this is acceptable and common because it is so common in porn. It is a behavior that feeds the male fantasy that their cock is the center of the universe—both theirs and the woman who is sucking it. It symbolizes that the woman loves your cock so much, they literally want to gag on it out of over-eagerness.

Of course, it is not acceptable unless the woman has given permission. Any man who takes this without permission is probably a real jerk at best, and downright dangerous at worst. I would never want to have anything to do with a lover who used me and abused me without permission and consent, especially like that.

Consent, on the other hand, is a beautiful thing. If a woman were to agree to let me do that to her, even if I didn’t want to do it, it would mean a lot. I don’t think I would want to do it because it would make me very uncomfortable to see her being uncomfortable. I really get off on what she chooses to do to me, not what I might force her to do.

YoKoolAid's avatar

Do not be timid when you bring this up to him, make yourself very clear that this is not okay.

linguaphile's avatar

Red Flag With Flashing Lights and Klaxon Sirens. Find someone with the basic intelligence to identify the difference between porn and reality. One of my rules is: don’t freaking push my head, ever, not even just a little bit.

I would not allow this, would stop mid-gift (it’s a gift, not a job), and leave. Being alone with a toy is better than being demoralized like that.

I felt horrible just reading your details—Please do yourself a favor and don’t allow this ever again.

where’s the OP? Troll? I hope not.

Ponderer983's avatar

I have had guys do this a lot, but not quite to the extent you have. Most guys have put their hands on my head to control the tempo, but only 1 or 2 did the deepthroating thing you are talking about. I just smacked his hand off and off the dick I went. Simple as that.

I also do tell all guys that I am with that one of the few things I don’t like during sex is the hand on my head (for whatever reason). And if a hand does manage to find it’s way there, I take it off with my hand and hold it on the surface of whatever we are on (not in a mean way, but politely). I much prefer a spoken instruction of speed rather than a hands on tutorial. Faster, slower, deeper, around the head, my balls. That’s all I need to hear.

FutureMemory's avatar

Too much porn, too few brain cells. Get rid of him.

dappled_leaves's avatar

Obviously dump him.

ETpro's avatar

If the guy is not a sadist in other ways, and seems worth keeping, tell him at some non-sexual time that you don’t like being controlled while giving him head, and that you don’t like gagging. Not only does porn suggest that some women get a masochistic thrill from gagging on cock, some actually do. If he knows you don’t like it and forces the issue anyway, or says he expects you to learn to like it, then by all means, drop him and find a more compassionate partner.

zenvelo's avatar

The common thread here is that younger guys are getting their cues on sexual behavior from on-line porn, which is a pretty abusive form of sex. It’s like the guys who think they need to slap a girl’s ass every time.

Don’t let it happen again, tell the guy he’s not getting any more head if he doesn’t change his behavior. And tell him if he wants to be considered good in bed to quit watching porn for lessons.

Aethelflaed's avatar

How exactly is it that we know that porn is to blame for this? It’s not like before mass amounts of porn were available, men were somehow more respectful of women’s boundaries and desires – in fact, they were significantly less so.

ucme's avatar

Next time he’s eating dinner, shove his gormless head right into that plate.
As he rises, meatballs wedged in both eyes & spaghetti trickling from his nose, simply say “Oh yeah, work it bitch!”

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JLeslie's avatar

Unnacceptable! That happened to a girlfriend of mine and he jammed his dick into the piece of flesh attached to the underside of the tongue that goes to the bottom of the mouth and tore it. She had to go to the emergency room, it was a really big deal. Horrible. Tell him you need to be in control, if he does not stop, never have sex with him again. Nothing. Break up. No more hook up. Nothing. Just my opinion.

I agree porn is fucking up a lot of sex lives. I am not against porn, but I think it really warps what a lot of men want, expect, and do in bed.

He is masturbating in your mouth. I hate when I feel like a guy just masterbated inside of me. Any part of me.

mrrich724's avatar

Dude just never learned the difference between porn and real life :(

I’ve never done it, nor do I want to…

Ayesha's avatar

@HungryGuy No wonder you’re ‘Hungry’.

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HungryGuy's avatar

Why was an explicit answer removed from a question that was labeled NSFW?

FutureMemory's avatar

Why was an explicit answer removed from a question that was labeled NSFW?

@HungryGuy According to the mod note it was “obscene”.

HungryGuy's avatar

[NSFW] Well, duh!

FutureMemory's avatar

Glad we got that cleared up.

tnatwo14's avatar

@Aethelflaed How do you figure that?

If there weren’t hundreds of “gagging” videos out there of guys forcing deep throat on girls, I would almost guarantee this question would have never came to be. Because porn is directly influencing this. The guy saw it in some videos, and therefor tries to mimic it himself by preying on women with too much patience like the OP.

How were they more respectful? For starters they probably didn’t fathom choking women out on their junk. Now we’re not the least bit surprised to hear about something like that.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@tnatwo14 Because I read the stories of women from before Deep Throat. I hear about how we didn’t even call it rape, we just called it, sex. About how it was just common to have your husband not give a damn about your sexual boundaries – and licking your clit? Forget about it. And I kinda figure, if men were so freaking respectful of women before porn, droves of women wouldn’t have been driven to take up the feminist cause, to fight against rape and push for stricter rape laws and found rape crisis centers and create Take Back the Night and “No Means No” and now Slutwalk. Seems like straight up misogyny and a lack of respect for women and their boundaries is and most certain has been the root cause of all these bad and non-consensual sexual experiences, not that men are and have always been really respectful of women and creating an egalitarian society, and then they watch porn and get corrupted. This rhetoric that porn corrupts otherwise innocent and benevolent men means that men never have to really take responsibility for treating women like shit, and we never have to look at a larger society that encourages that.

I promise you, porn or no porn, (some) men would totally have no problem forcing women to do all these things, because they had no problem doing it before porn.

tnatwo14's avatar

@Aethelflaed Your initial response was a sort of tricky wording that seemed imply that the porn epidemic of today was somehow to be credited for men’s greater respect of women’s boundaries. At least that’s how I read it.

So again, as to the first part of that question, refer to my last post. Sounds as though you seek to defend porn against any responsibility where it clearly contributes and plays a role. You don’t think that said straight up misogyny and lack of respect for women is at all being reenforced if not encouraged by porn that constantly depicts women as having no boundaries and having no integrity or self-respect? And men who treat them like objects with cruelty and disregard? I think yes. Porn deals in misogyny perpetuating the message, it contributes.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@tnatwo14 So, here’s the thing: porn is not a monolith. Not even close. Not, well, sure, there’s some alternatives, but they obviously don’t count as ‘real’ porn and that’s why it’s ok that when I mean ‘mainstream, heterosexual industry porn that meets x, y, and z criteria’ or ‘hardcore/gonzo’ I can just say ‘porn’. Not even ‘mainstream porn’ – 60% of the porn industry is amateur (non-sex workers who have a video camera and some method of distribution), and some of the best feminist porn is produced by mainstream producers. Harlequin novels are porn. Original pornographic fiction on the internet is porn. Gay porn and lesbian (by lesbians, for lesbians, and is different from “girl on girl”, which is straight girls doing stuff for straight guys) are porn. Hentai is porn. Slashy, smutty fan-fics in which Spock and Kirk have homoerotic bro-times is porn. Origin of the World, all Renaissance Venuses, and the Kama Sutra are porn. Criticizing ‘porn’ is about as useful to me as criticizing fiction. And that’s not even mentioning how saying ‘porn’ to mean ‘this very specific porn I find problematic’ invisiblizes the good work so many have been doing.

Don’t talk to me about ‘porn’. Talk to me about the horror that is Max Hardcore, and then talk to me about how freaking awesome Courtney Trouble, Shine Louis Houston, and Tristan Taormino are. Talk to me about how amateur porn could be both awesome for the people performing it, and interpreted as reinforcing damaging cultural norms by the viewer, or how amateur porners will start off doing the sex they normally have, but then when they find out viewers really like x act start doing x act more. Talk to me about how exactly it is that we establish consent of the performers when there’s always a chance that they could have been blackmailed into appearing to consent. Then talk to me about how, even though the performers aren’t consenting, if they look like they’re consenting, the message the viewer gets is that consent is crucial. Talk to me about the role the viewer and especially the buyer plays in telling pornographers what people want, just like in the rest of capitalism, and what possible other reasons there could be for the explosion of anal sex in video pornography besides ‘evil cis hetero men in LA conspiring to impose patriarchy on the apparently stupid rest of the population’. Talk to me about just what exactly feminist BDSM porn looks like. Talk to me about how different mediums change the discussion, how what might be totally horrific when using live actors on camera might be totally fine when the people are only written characters or paint strokes. Just like you wouldn’t criticize ‘fiction’ but ‘Dan Brown’s tendency to use the same story and characters every time’, talk not about ‘porn’ but ‘the tendency within mainstream, industry, cisgender, heterosexual sex with busty, thin blondes and fairly unattractive but well-hung men to make it seem like her clit actually is in her throat’. But bring some basic level of nuance to the discussion.

tnatwo14's avatar

What I’m “talking about” is indeed mainstream hetero porn, not about any of the rest of it, but the brunt of what you see on every hetero porn site. I don’t know where you get your figures but the term “amateur” means non-industry, and that seems absurd to me. Obviously I’m not criticizing the base concept of porn (though I’m not a fan) as much as the state of hetero porn today… Definitely dealing it’s damage and compounding the problem, the straight up misogyny and disrespecting of women, that is.

JLeslie's avatar

@Aethelflaed Have you ever been with a man who is obsessed with porn, basically addicted?

saint's avatar

Sounds like an example of looking a gift horse in the mouth. No gratitude.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@JLeslie It really depends on what your definition of “addicted” is. If it’s watching more than x hours of porn a day/week/month/year (as many studies calculate it by), then depending on the exact amount of porn one has to watch, yes. If it’s addicted in the sense that he was unable to function in everyday life – not going to work to watch porn, for example – then no. If it’s addicted in the sense that he was unable to be physically and/or emotionally intimate with me, no, all of the guys who’ve had intimacy issues had them come from somewhere else (like an abusive childhood, regular but severe commitment issues, etc).

@tnatwo14 Yes, amateur means non-industry, but they can still charge for it, like webcam services, stuff on amateur sites, etc. The 60% is just common knowledge – Wikipedia that shit (and actually, I feel like I’ve seen some numbers saying that since the internet, and especially in the past 5 years with webcams, Tube sites, high-speed connections, etc, it’s gotten higher). But the reason I bring up amateur porn is that it is a huge part of hetero porn, and especially free hetero video porn, free being what most underage and college-aged people consume, especially if they’re staying away from illegal downloads (for whatever reason). So, if this gagging is such an issue, then maybe we need to start questioning the kind of sex we as a society are having, not the kind of sex professional porn stars are having in LA. And then we should probably ask if we want to be questioning the kind of sex consenting adults are having.

It’s not so much that I don’t think porn could possibly be, and that some porn is, reinforcing misogynistic attitudes. It’s that I don’t understand why porn is, by and large, the only thing that appears to be reinforcing them. Where are all these objections to Disney and other children’s media that says that girls are passive and unable to stand up for themselves, so why even bother to think she could stand up for herself in sex (Disney and children’s media shaping the sexuality of children long before they start watching porn) ? Where are all the critiques of a common tv plotline, in which a normally strong female character, who hasn’t had contact with her father in years because he’s a shit father, has her normally respectful boyfriend decide that he knows better and against her explicitly stated boundary brings her father back into her life, and then asks that still-estranged father for permission to marry her, as if her boundaries don’t matter and clearly no amount of estrangement means that a man’s word isn’t more important than a woman’s? Where are all the threads critiquing the commonality of the Barney Stinson character (from How I Met Your Mother, but the trope is a sitcom staple), in which an actually awesome character (and let’s be real, there are many ways in which Barney is actually legen-wait for it-dary) also treats nameless bimbo characters as disposable, constantly scheming to get them into bed and disregarding their ‘no’s and other boundaries? Where are all the objections to the way domestic violence is portrayed in popular men’s and women’s magazines next to the grocery store check-out line in which, as one study recently put it, “Women are guilty of choosing the wrong men, men are not guilty of hitting women”? Where are all the objections to the new holiday, Steak and BJ Day, in which men are owed steak and a blowjob, because when women gave them blowjobs on Valentine’s Day after they got flowers, or both partners exchanged gifts and had mutually pleasurable sex, just isn’t good enough, and the scales really must remain in men’s favor? It seems like we as a society send out tons and tons of messages every day that men should not respect women’s boundaries, and women shouldn’t set boundaries in the first place, so all of this focus on porn seems like focusing on one part of one tree in a giant forest.

linguaphile's avatar

@Aethelflaed Nodding. Well said- and I agree.

My daughter’s not allowed to watch Disney and Nick for that reason. Too many ridiculously dumb characters nowadays, both male and female, with really poor problem solving skills. I’ll restrain from getting started on Bratz and the toy industry right now.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@linguaphile Bratz is some serious bs…

wundayatta's avatar

I didn’t want my daughter (or son) to watch Disney, but it’s too prevalent. So instead I watched it with them (the movies, anyway), and we had some discussions about the myths and tropes that appeared therein.

Recently, my son came home from school spouting off a new learning: about how insidious Disney stories are. Hooray for the school! So I think my children are growing up sufficiently suspicious of that kind of bs.

My daughter is 15 going on 16 now and is not planning to spend any attention on boys until her college education is set. For now, education is her sole focus. I’m not sure this is entirely good. I think she should have some experience with relationships, but I do think her focus is right, and lets be clear that she is the one pushing this, not me.

tnatwo14's avatar

@Aethelflaed I would question all of the above, but that’s me. Isn’t that what the OP is asking us to do here? Call into question the behavior of this guy? For our opinion?

Of course your other points are valid, but simply not relevant to this topic where porn most likely is and that’s why everyone is pointing it out, not because everyone is a rabid anti-porn activist here.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@tnatwo14 Actually, I think it’s perfectly relevant. We don’t know that these men watch porn, nor that if they do the porn they do watch has this feature in it (or even that if they do watch porn videos that contain this feature, that this is the 7 minutes they’re actually watching before cumming), or that they watch it enough for it to really be a substantial influence. And I really don’t think it’s that porno boundaries shape sex boundaries, and other stuff doesn’t; I think it’s that we say that women’s boundaries in general aren’t to be respected and that includes in the bedroom. Not to mention that we just have a freaking rape culture with or without porn – seriously, doesn’t constantly asking all these questions about what she wore, and what she drank, and if she’d ever said yes before whenever a woman might be saying she got raped say women’s boundaries aren’t to be respected way more than porn? You can opt out of consuming porn, you can’t opt out of hearing rape culture. And you’re new here, so maybe you will ask those questions, but usually, people don’t. And it really bothers me when the only way someone is a feminist is to hate porn.

Seriously, though, some porn. Not porn, some porn. It really does huge amounts of damage to use this monolithic languages; it tells young women who are finding healthy sexuality (perhaps in Anna Span’s videos, or fanfic, which is dominated by women) that they should be worried and ashamed instead of celebrating healthy stuff. It tells young QUILTBAGs (like LGBT, but more inclusive) that when they find No Fauxxx and Crashpad and the like because that’s one of the only ways they can explore their sexuality, they still aren’t ok, they should still be ashamed, they’re still deviant. It has massive implications for continuing to marginalize already marginalized people. You can read a good thing here on how to critique porn in a sex-positive manner that still allows for healthy expressions of sexuality.

JLeslie's avatar

@Aethelflaed Pretty much everyone is saying they are not flat out against all porn. I don’t get why you are so defensive on the topic. I think even a happy porn star would probably agree some porn out there is detrimental, and some men can get obsessed with porn where they need it to get off, or seek it out, rather than being intimate with their SO, or it drives them to desire acts that most women don’t want to do, or especially don’t want to do it regularly, every time, during every sexual encounter. These kinds of expectations and needs are fueled by porn a lot of the time in my opinion, especially if it is forcing a woman to do something she prefer not do. Sure there is a culture out there aside from porn that can be blamed as well, but that does not remove some of the blame from porn.

I agree porn can be good for those wanting to explore their own sexuality. Kind of observe what happens in the bedroom between people. When I was in college I took a psychology class about sex and we saw a movie watching couples having sex, and it was much more realistic and informative than porn out there for mass sale.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@JLeslie Because the language keeps being used that way. Because if you’re trying to be nuanced in your thought, you are nuanced in your language. Like how if you’re including gays and lesbians, you modify your language so that it doesn’t say that partners are always opposite-sexed. Because using language in this monolithic way regarding porn has actually done lots and lots and lots of damage.

JLeslie's avatar

@Aethelflaed But, no one is saying all porn. Everyone is clarifying in their statements they are not trying to rid the earth of the porn industry, even before you made your objections. We were fairly careful in what we said. Sure to make clear we can see benefit to porn as well.

You admit on another Q not to have been with a guy who seems overly influenced by porn. When you spend some time with one, you will probably understand more my point of view.

tnatwo14's avatar

@Aethelflaed I don’t think I need a guide on how to critique porn in a way thats satisfying to someone else. I’m an adult I can make my own evaluations and form my own opinions too.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@JLeslie I do actually spend crazy amounts of time study pornography and the feminist debates surrounding it in a scholarly setting – this isn’t just coming from naiveté, it’s coming from knowledge. It’d be awesome if you weren’t dismissive of my experiences; your experiences aren’t somehow intrinsically more valuable than mine, they aren’t more representative than mine. It’s really condescending to just brush my experiences aside like that.

And until I said ‘why is everyone blaming this on porn’, no, people just said ‘porn’.

JLeslie's avatar

@Aethelflaed I am not being dismissive, sorry if it came across that way. I have agreed with much of what you have said. You seem to be dismissing my first hand experience.

Look, it’s like violence in movies and shows about crimes. For the most part people watch them, they can be thrilling or interesting, and then every so often someone does a copy cat killing. That is an extreme example, I am not saying porn is like killing someone, but you know what I mean I assume.

JLeslie's avatar

@Aethelflaed And from my very first answer I agree porn is fucking up a lot of sex lives. I am not against porn, but I think it really warps what a lot of men want, expect, and do in bed.

Again, I am not against porn. I said a lot, not all. Probably a lot is an overstatement, there I would agree, should have said some.

tnatwo14's avatar

@Aethelflaed I think when people said “porn” the kind of porn they were referring to was sort of implied.

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