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How would any director get two straight men to shoot a same sex bedroom scene?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (21145 points ) April 16th, 2014

The first bedroom scene in Blue is the warmest color, if it could even be shot with male actors, (physically I cannot see it done without exposing parts of the male anatomy most care not to see) how would a director or producer talk straight male actors into swap spit, groping each other, and to shove their face into another man’s crotch? If you were an actor what would they have to do, promise, or say to get you to do it? If it is true and neither Léa Seydoux nor Adèle Exarchopoulos are gay (maybe they are bi, I have not heard), then it can be done, I guess. Is it easier for women because they don’t have as much surface hardware down there?

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dappled_leaves's avatar

You get that even when straight actors are shooting straight sex scenes, that they’re not doing it out of enjoyment, right? That they are acting, playing a role? Their entire profession is pretending to be people they’re not, doing things they wouldn’t do. That’s their job. Why should it be any different when they’re shooting a gay sex scene?

Similarly, why would it be any harder for straight actors to shoot a gay sex scene than it would be for gay actors to shoot a straight sex scene? They’re equally not turned on by the proposition… but that’s ok, because… it’s acting. Not real life.

Try googling “straight actors in gay roles.” Now try googling “gay actors in straight roles.” Maybe the results will surprise you.

Mimishu1995's avatar

Do you have serious problems with Blue is the Warmest Color @Hypocrisy_Central?

Dan_Lyons's avatar

How would any director get two straight men to shoot a same sex bedroom scene?”

Simple. Tell them to get to work. They knew what the movie was about long before they ever got to this stage of the game.

Lord knows they were probably practicing on their wives (who were wearing Groucho Marx masks).

ragingloli's avatar

They are actors.

whitenoise's avatar

Like noted above, hiring actors would do the trick.

Symbeline's avatar

They’re actors. They get in a role. For example, do you mean to tell me that you think every girl in a porn movie who plays a lesbian is actually a lesbian?

jerv's avatar

Not only are they actors, they’re paid actors.

And what sort of employees would they be if they didn’t do what they were paid to do anyways? Also, personal distaste for a job is really a poor excuse to be willfully unemployed….

whitenoise's avatar

And… be honest, @Hypo… you must be turned on by having the opportunity to have sex with other men, while pretending to just fake it?

To have some equally strong arms holding you tight? To (imagine to) feel how it is to have someone inside you, instead of the other way around? To be the ‘ee’ instead of the ‘er’?

You strike me, from what you wrote before, to be rather broad minded when it comes to sexual preferences.

GloPro's avatar

Boy, you have this movie on the brain this week, huh.
I don’t think you would convince A-list actors to accept the role in the first place. Many have no nudity clauses, no frontal nudity clauses, etc. for all of the roles they accept.
Any actor that accepts a role reads the script and signs a contract. You wouldn’t be springing anything on them.

cazzie's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central what did you think of Brokeback Mountain?

syz's avatar

Same way you get two straight women to do it…it’s called acting.

JLeslie's avatar

Money.

livelaughlove21's avatar

Ask the directors of Queer as Folk. Only three of the main actors were actually gay and there was plenty of simulated sex on that show. That Brokeback Mountain sex scene was nothing.

It’s their job. Money is the incentive. Or, for some actors, the arts.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Simple. I’d tell them to get to work doing the job they contracted themselves to do. They knew what the film was about and they read the script before they signed on for the role.

zenvelo's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central It’s no easier or more difficult than working with two straight women doing the same thing.

Your asking “is it easier for women…” is woefully uninformed. It is not easier nor is it more difficult. Women are not more prone to same-sex acts than men are, despite the male-consumer focused porn industry.

I take responsibility and apologize for bringing up Blue is The Warmest Color on one of @Hypocrisy_Central‘s questions over the weekend. I feel like I let a genie out of a bottle.

bolwerk's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central: straight porn actors often star in gay roles because the pay is better. A female charged with getting him aroused might be employed. The profession is known as a fluffer.

If you demand such realism in your gay sex scenes in mainstream movies, perhaps the same can be done in them. But generally I think a visible erection precludes an R rating.

downtide's avatar

Actors know what’s in the script before they sign the contract for the job, so they do it because they know they’re expected to do it, and are getting paid to do it.

Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhall (both straight) did a pretty good job on Brokeback Mountain.

cazzie's avatar

Look, what the OP is saying is that respectable, straight men would never lower themselves to being filmed performing a gay sex act, but these pathetic women playing these parts obviously will and shame on these women. And any director would never ask the men to do so because he would also be a man and understand that there are physical complications (like their big, humongous dicks) that would get in the way because no one wants to see those. Well, @Hypocrisy_Central Your sexual proclivity aside, This question has been asked so that you can fantasise. I suggest that you watch more porn and wank away so that you can release the tension that seems to be plaguing you so much.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@dappled_leaves That they are acting, playing a role? Their entire profession is pretending to be people they’re not, doing things they wouldn’t do. That’s their job. Why should it be any different when they’re shooting a gay sex scene?
Sure actors and actresses are playing a role, but even while playing that role they are not the role. If an actor is supposed to play some type of mutant and the script says he snatches a fish from the water and starts to devour it raw, scales, and not even gutted, I for one would not expect that most actors, if any, would just say that is the script and I am an actor, have to do it to make the film look good. You can’t overcome your gag reflex for eating raw fish no matter what part you are supposed to be playing. If you are straight and have no aversion to handling another man’s ”junk”, then I guess you could simply because the part says so. However, I have seen straight actors play it gay but never to the degree; never had seen them swapping spit, thank heavens, groping each other’s naughty bits, clothed or not, and certainly not writhing around in the sack naked. Closest I ever seen to that was Borat. The way you make it seem, to me, is that no female actress should not take a apart because she has to appear naked or topless because it is all part of the job, and she is supposed to detach her and her dislikes from the role she plays.

@Mimishu1995 Do you have serious problems with Blue is the Warmest Color..]
Why would you think that?

@Symbeline For example, do you mean to tell me that you think every girl in a porn movie who plays a lesbian is actually a lesbian?
No, but I think they have bi-sexual tendencies, or else they would be disingenuous like a vegan who finds out there is a script change and they have to eat ham in a family dinner scene and chow down on the pig with no aversions and even bring themselves to smile while doing it; I’d have to second guess if they are really as vegan as they said they were.

@whitenoise And… be honest, @Hypo… you must be turned on by having the opportunity to have sex with other men, while pretending to just fake it?
No, to be honest if I had the option of that or taking an industrial belt sander to the soles of my feet I guess I would have to get ready to hobble about for some time and I hope they have something for me to bite on if I am not given painkillers before. –The thought of having sex with something that doesn’t have the lady parts solely from birth, not manufactured in an operating room, or simply not there, is enough to give me the heebie jeebies—.

@GloPro Boy, you have this movie on the brain this week, huh
I do not remember where you are from, but I find it fascinating how other nations handle subjects on TV and film that are different from the US. In many cases you would think they would be less liberal or open in what they broadcast or show in film and TV, being they as a society seems to be less predisposed to sex as here. Yet here it is talked, talked, and talked about but to show even a glimmer of all that talk in a visual form seems almost like blasphemy.

@cazzie […what did you think of Brokeback Mountain?
I don’t know, I will never see it. I have only seen 5 minutes of it when I was in a house where someone else was watching it. I hear it is a great film, just one great film I will never see.

Look, what the OP is saying is that respectable, straight men would never lower themselves to being filmed performing a gay sex act, but these pathetic women playing these parts obviously will and shame on these women
Nope, you missed on that one.

This question has been asked so that you can fantasise. I suggest that you watch more porn and wank away so that you can release the tension that seems to be plaguing you so much.
Nope, missed again, no amount of money could get me to sit through male-on-male gay porn, and I am not sure I would with women-on-women, it would have to be a case by case decision..

@JLeslie Money
How much, the standard union rate, something extra, incumbent on the popularity of the actor, incumbent on how starving the actor is for a roll, based on how much of a vertical rise they will get doing the film or what it would do for their career, how much cash do you think it would take to get a straight actor to handle another straight actor’s junk?

Symbeline's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central I know we weren’t originally talking about porno movies, but one thing you have to understand about that line of work is that it’s not at all what it appears to be. Awkward positions and movements for hours, rehearsals, retakes, I doubt most of those actors get horny much while creating a porno. It’s a job, and the scenarios in porn movies are so exaggerated and outrageous that probably none of them fit much with what the actors like, or do, in their non working sex lives. So two completely straight men or women probably don’t even think about the gay roles twice, besides getting into it. no pun intended lawlz
Just saying, because it seems to me that you think porn movies or sex scenes in movies seem to resemble real life, which it does not at all, at least in most cases.

Also apparently everyone has bi sexual tendencies, (men too, not just women) only that most are not aware of them, repress or deny them. Don’t quote me on that one though.

JLeslie's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central I was just thinking whatever an actor makes. It’s a part to be played and if the actor is willing he’s willing. Gay men have been playing straight men theatrically and in real life since the beginning of time, why is this very different?

Blondesjon's avatar

Skittles and blow, maybe?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Symbeline I know we weren’t originally talking about porno movies, but one thing you have to understand about that line of work is that it’s not at all what it appears to be. Awkward positions and movements for hours, rehearsals, retakes, I doubt most of those actors get horny much while creating a porno.
Yeah, once upon a time I viewed a great deal of porn and I seen how the industry changed. Porn movies use to have some resemblance of a script, however weak, porn, when I last was an avid watcher, had no script, there was not even really a movie, just some location, usually a bed in a warehouse, single direction harsh lighting and some horny guy and some dumb gal, usually with aftermarket boobs, having a short talk then boinking like bunnies. It was all about getting the optimum view of the actual penetration.

Just saying, because it seems to me that you think porn movies or sex scenes in movies seem to resemble real life, which it does not at all, at least in most cases.
Not what I am thinking. Neither porn nor Hollywood movies depict intercourse as most people normally do it, or at least not how I normally got it. I do not know which to say is more disingenuous be it Hollywood or the porn industry. Hollywood seems to try and sell their view as more natural but is anything but. So, no, I don’t see any of the sex scenes from either camp as real or natural.

Also apparently everyone has bi sexual tendencies, (men too, not just women) only that most are not aware of them, repress or deny them. Don’t quote me on that one though.
I won’t, because I have less than zero appetite for being intimate with another man, I don’t care how effeminate he is or how good-looking of a ”Ladyboy” he is a la Asian cross-dressed type, let’s just say….never think of it.

@JLeslie Gay men have been playing straight men theatrically and in real life since the beginning of time, why is this very different?
Back in the day, all but a select view, had to play straight roles, if they didn’t, they did not work in Hollywood. Also back in the day we were still in Dodge, now we are in the Wild West where sex scenes you’d never see on screen are practically the norm now. Any gay actor playing straight may have had to do more than clutch and peck a woman on the lips; certainly way less than romping in the sheets with her, and licking her nipples.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central . . . Why not spend more time dwelling on the things that you like and take joy in instead of the things that disturb you?

I started doing it a long time ago and my world became a much less threatening place.

ragingloli's avatar

I won’t, because I have less than zero appetite for being intimate with another man, I don’t care how effeminate he is or how good-looking of a ”Ladyboy” he is a la Asian cross-dressed type, let’s just say….never think of it.
Ted Haggard said the same thing. We all know how that turned out.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ Ted Haggard said the same thing.
Well, he is not me and I am not him.

Ruallreb8ters's avatar

“Man… its Hollywood, everybody gay once in awile”

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central “Sure actors and actresses are playing a role, but even while playing that role they are not the role. If an actor is supposed to play some type of mutant and the script says he snatches a fish from the water and starts to devour it raw, scales, and not even gutted, I for one would not expect that most actors, if any, would just say that is the script and I am an actor, have to do it to make the film look good. You can’t overcome your gag reflex for eating raw fish no matter what part you are supposed to be playing. If you are straight and have no aversion to handling another man’s ”junk”, then I guess you could simply because the part says so. However, I have seen straight actors play it gay but never to the degree; never had seen them swapping spit, thank heavens, groping each other’s naughty bits, clothed or not, and certainly not writhing around in the sack naked. Closest I ever seen to that was Borat. The way you make it seem, to me, is that no female actress should not take a apart because she has to appear naked or topless because it is all part of the job, and she is supposed to detach her and her dislikes from the role she plays.”

If an actor does not want to eat a raw fish then he should not accept a role that would require him to eat a raw fish. If an actress does not wish to go topless than she should not accept a role that requires her to go topless. Simple really.

Darth_Algar's avatar

And this is really kinda moot anyway, as the people in the sex scene aren’t necessarily the people starring in the roles. Movie makers are in the business of creating illusion, and they have many ways of doing so. Just like there are stunt doubles, body doubles are frequently employed in movie making.

cazzie's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central wrote: I won’t, because I have less than zero appetite for being intimate with another man, I don’t care how effeminate he is or how good-looking of a ”Ladyboy” he is a la Asian cross-dressed type, let’s just say….never think of it I didn’t mention gay male porn at all. I just said porn. You filled in all those lurid details yourself, but… um.. you never think of it, right? Get thee to a good head shrinker.

bolwerk's avatar

He never talks about it at all.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@cazzie I didn’t mention gay male porn at all.
I am sorry, did not know we were not on the context of the question which is male on male sex, even if simulated. As for PORN good old man boink woman porn, some time ago I use to watch a boat load of it. I will even throw you a bone to run with, that I looked and enjoyed watching lesbian porn (girl-on-girl if they were hot_); two guys and one girl, or gay porn, one was a very slight sometimes and the other was never, and if you can’t figure, the latter was the never.

cazzie's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central you don’t have to explain anything to me. I’m not your shrink.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ Anything that appear to be false witness as to give the impression I am something I am not, I will address. Don’t worry, don’t take it the wrong way, but I would not have you and some others, as my shrink (should I ever need one) under any conditions, (the best way I can say it).

ragingloli's avatar

Nor would any of us want you as a patient.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ Good, something we can agree on Yey.

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