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Are you open to the possibility of an afterlife without a supreme being?

Asked by mowens (8403points) August 24th, 2009

Could there be an afterlife without a god?

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JLeslie's avatar

Sure. I’m an atheist, and generally don’t believe in a an afterlife, but if there is one, since I can’t be sure, I don’t see why it would be dependent on there being a supreme being.

Saturated_Brain's avatar

What will happen then in this afterlife of yours? Who will decide what to do with all the dead souls? Will they go through a new social system where they live as dead people forever? What a sad afterlife that’s gonna be then…

Not to mention crowded too.

Bluefreedom's avatar

I don’t see why not. I’m even open to the idea of reincarnation. I’d really like another chance to do this all again (as long as I can come back in the male gender form again that is).

Jack79's avatar

Yes. I’m actually leaning towards that idea personally. Which is pretty scary in a way.

What I believe is that, once our material body is disintergrated, our spirit lives on. We spend the rest of eternity in a state of consciousness that would resemble lying in bed just after waking up with our eyes still closed. We can still think, but cannot see, hear, or feel anything. And what will we be thinking about? Our time on earth, again and again, for the rest of eternity, until we relive every single moment millions of times, and remember every single detail that we ignored while we were alive. And notice everything, and make sense of it all, and realise (even those of us that only lived a couple of years or a couple of hours) how long and marvelous our life was, and that 42 years is not that much shorter than 93, and both are pretty full.

And woe to those who lived a life of evil, who were unfair to others and didn’t stop to think about those they were hurting. They will have all of eternity to repend for their crimes, and no chance to apologise. What worst Hell could there ever be? Melting pots of lava sound like a holiday in comparison.

And joy to those who did their best, and tried as much as they could, and were nice to others, even when they were unfairly treated. For they will trully inherit “the Kingdom of Heaven” in an eternal bliss, with their conscience clear.

jfos's avatar

Anything could be. None of us have died in this life and come back with answers.

And don’t mention the people that medically “died” for some short amount of time, and reported that they saw bright light, beautiful music, etc., because the chemicals the body produces upon death are incredibly strong. Strong enough to humor the power of suggestion into seeing the vision of a “bright light”, etc.

jfos's avatar

But if anything, I believe in some type of ever-present karma-like force.

mowens's avatar

I just thought of this years ago after I saw the movie “Defending Your Life”

nebule's avatar

@Jack79 sounds pretty scary to me…either way… like a brain in a vat…

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

sounds better than the concept of an afterlife where we all sit around singing the praises of a deity (who must have low self esteem issues if he needs his slaves/followers to sing his praises and point out his positive attributes for eternity) and playing harps to please him. How many harp players do you know among the general public. What is the learning curve for becoming a great harp player?

In Evelynism, followers spend eternity riding around on her ample bosoms, as for there being singing, harp playing or other forms of deity praise, Evelyn has never mentioned it. She gets her kicks by amusing herself on her own. She has never claimed to demand her dead followers to continue to kiss her ass.

Which is what Christianity is, if you think about it. Kissing Gods’ ass.

evelyns_pet_zebra's avatar

@Jack79 I wrote a story years ago that followed that same line of reasoning, where the dead guy did just that, and also relived certain parts of his life that he felt strongly about, and lived through things he couldn’t remember or that were euphemisms for other things he did that had to do with his lines of thought, i.e. racism, etc.

Have you been digging through my short story portfolio?

patg7590's avatar

yeah that doesn’t make sense to me.

as if an afterlife could’ve just “happened”?

hmmm

PerryDolia's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra If there are ample bosoms, OK I’m in for the afterlife thing. Otherwise, I don’t think any of us will continue on.

PandoraBoxx's avatar

Don’t think we really have any say in the matter, either way. It is what it is.

Supacase's avatar

@Jack79 That is pretty much how I have imagined hell to be.

@evelyns_pet_zebra I have the same thoughts about the self-esteem thing.

I have no particular problems with this idea. For me, it fits best with the idea of reincarnation.

AstroChuck's avatar

Why would the existence of a supreme being be a prerequisite to there being an afterlife? I don’t know if one would necessarily consider this as an afterlife but it is immortality, and basically what I believe. It’s a bit difficult to articulate but I look at our lives as being encapsulated within the time of our first becoming sentient (I would suppose that would be a few months before birth) and when that sentiency ends (death).  Theoretical science demonstrates that time travel could very well be possible (but perhaps not survivable) therefore time must be static in some way. Since past and future would always exist, just as the present, we are in all places of our lives at all times, and that’s forever. It’s just that we don’t experience it that way in our minds. To us time is linear and not in a steady state. So basically you’ll never know a time without life as you’ll always be somewhere within it. All the more important to live a happy life.

Jeruba's avatar

Interesting question. I don’t think so. What in the world would we do all day? Play checkers? I mean, in a no-host afterlife, there probably won’t be any mansions, golden streets, choral and instrumental groups, etc. We might as well come back here as a frog or a fox, or not come back at all.

As for my own beliefs, I think that what really happens after death is that we decompose and reenter the cycle as part of the matter of earth. Our consciousness ends and has no more being than an extinguished flame.

Jeruba's avatar

After(life)thought: Do people who believe in life on other worlds and also believe in reincarnation ever think about coming back someplace else?

Jack79's avatar

@evelyns_pet_zebra ah, I just found some manuscript in the dumpster…was it yours? Sorry, I just sold it to Barnes & Noble for $500,000 :P

@Jeruba actually I’d love to think reincarnation really happens. To get a second chance. Too bad you’d do it without the memory of previous lives, but perhaps you can remember all your lives when you’re inbetween. Even that would be quite interesting. Or even sticking around as a ghost. The world is such an interesting place overall, I’d hate to miss out. Coming back as a 3-eared little green man in Omicron Eridani 4b? Wow….never thought of that, but it would be cool now that you mention it :)

seVen's avatar

Yes, it’s mentioned in the Bible. Afterlife without God is everlasting death also known as hell.

CMaz's avatar

An afterlife to me means that there has to be some form of structure and purpose holding it together.
SOmeone or something has to be running the show.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

I believe that it’s entirely possible.

cbloom8's avatar

Anything’s possible when you talk about ‘another’ life or another phase of being. The possibilities are insane.

Ivan's avatar

I’m open to any possibility. However, I only believe in things that are supported by evidence.

Zuma's avatar

It seems as though I answered this question just yesterday:

I believe that consciousness is an emergent phenomenon that arises out of organized matter—matter that has been organized by an unbroken continuum of evolution which predates what we commonly think of as “life.” Life is an emergent phenomenon that has its origins in the self-organizing properties of matter, which is itself governed by a deep mathematics based on the ratios of whole integers and expressible in infinite complexity (i.e, fractal geometry).

What we take to be our minds is not a purely individual phenomenon but collective one in which cultural patterns are encoded into populations of individual genomes, which are essentially biological computers that create a kind of simulacrum or holographic experience which defines the parameters of our reality. Our sense of individuality is an illusion on multiple levels. Language, for example, is a cultural artifact which evolves to support the evolution of the shared cultural metaorganism we call “mind.”

When we die, the computational machinery of our reality begins to break down and our consciousness begins to drift into neighboring quantum realities, until it reaches one in which there a kind of mathematical stability (e.g., an asymptote or equilibrium) where it remains until something disturbs it. Since cultural evolution is a moral enterprise, driven by choices based on emotional attachments and strivings, in death, these attachments exert a kind of “pull” or “drag” on where your consciousness drifts in the multiverse, determining whether you end up in a parallel universe similar to the one you just left, or spin wildly into some vastly different universe with a different set of cultural and moral problems.

Since the multiverse is infinite, and exists outside of time, “I” am also “you,” “he,” “she” and “it,” simultaneously occupying all possible points of view accessible to consciousness, each in its own timeline. When I die, I do not cease to exist, my existence continues on from another point of view (which is likely shaped by how I acted in my former incarnation). I should therefore strive to create the best possible world I can.

I man “parallel universe” in the sense of Quantum Many Worlds in

http://holtz.org/Library/Philosophy/Scientific%20American%20Parallel%20Universes%20-%20Tegmark%202003.htm

Most of what we take to be our minds lives on in others. Language, for example, is a kind of living organism—what they call a “metaorganism” in the new biology. Language is developed and supported by a population of individuals. Individuals may die but the language lives on in the mind of others. If we coin a word or an idea, those too live on, and they may shape our consciousness if we are born back into the same culture. If we don’t make a unique contribution, we still carry forward the existing structures and are shaped by them.

Our bodies are essentially biological computers that fix and orient us us in a quantum universe. I am speculating that when our bodies break down, there is a chance for our consciousness to become detached from our current universe and become re-established in a nearby parallel universe, which is largely determined by who we were and what we did.

In the multiverse, where everything has already happened, you do exist for all time.

In the universe you inhabit, every action you take creates chains of cause and effect that ripple outward, for all eternity, changing everything. In Quantum Theory, this is called a wave front. Theoretically, if you were sufficiently aware, you could direct the whole universe like an orchestra, by choosing to do one thing rather than another, allowing effects to magnify through the butterfly effect.

Alas, we are limited to our singular points of view.

Or are we? In Quantum Theory, there is a phenomenon known as “superposition” where an electron can be in two places or two spin states or two universes at the same time. According to the Many Worlds view of Quantum Theory, the universe we live in is constantly branching into alternative parallel universes. However, every time we make a decision, the wave front we set in motion collapses all the other possible branching parallel universes, locking us into a specific reality with it’s specific moral trajectory.

In death, we lose the ability to decide; so whatever consciousness is sustained by this process very likely stops; at which point, consciousness may very well occupy multiple points of view in multiple universes because we create no wave fronts that interfere with quantum superposition. In one universe, I am me and you are you; in another, you are me and I am you; and in another universe, we are both someone else. If you think about it, it becomes pretty clear that we should treat one another much better than we do

mattbrowne's avatar

Could there be an afterlife without a god? It’s a possibility. We need to die to find out. As long as we live we can only speculate.

IchtheosaurusRex's avatar

Writers John Varley and Frederick Pohl have both written about the idea of uploading your consciousness into a computer. In Pohl’s writings, freed of your physical body, you can live forever in virtual reality – just make sure the sysop runs backups regularly. Varley had the idea of recording your personality, and downloading it into a young, healthy, cloned body, thus achieving immortality.

I don’t know if such a thing is plausible, but it’s an intriguing idea that doesn’t involve belief in any kind of mysticism.

CMaz's avatar

Only problem with that is your “past self” would still die. Replaced with an exact replica of yourself right down to thought.

I think of that when I see someone from Star Trek getting into a transporter.
They are nothing more then being replicated on the other side and continuing from where they left off when stepping into it.

Only problem there and you would not know it is you step in, Energize. Life has ended you are dead. Your replication goes on.

Zuma's avatar

@ChazMaz That begs the question of what makes you you. In the multiverse there are literally billions and billions of copies of yourself living out every permutation of any given life. The thing of it is, the difference between you and me may be an illusion. We may all be shards of the same consciousness. Typically, what keeps us oriented in our reality is our bodies. They are a massive biological computer, which keeps us oriented not only in physical space and time, but in the social-psychological mental reality that constitutes our moral universe, and the cultural-historical aspect of that universe, and oriented along the mental, moral, and physical evolutionary trajectory of our species.

CMaz's avatar

“the difference between you and me may be an illusion. We may all be shards of the same consciousness”

Yep. I agree with that. Fingers, toes, heat, brain, hair ect. . All together make up the body.

patg7590's avatar

@MontyZuma your link is a no go :(

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