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What's your opinion on WWE's decision to force the removal of inter-gender matches in the Smackdown Vs Raw franchise?

Asked by Thammuz (9277points) November 20th, 2010

Ok, I know this doesn’t look like an incredibly interesting issue, at face value, but here we go anyway:

The Smackdown VS Raw series is the leading franchise in wrestling games, it’s got very well done mechanics (if a little stiff) a very comprehensive editor that allows to create very detailed and different characters and, obviously, a giant roster as well as good online support.

The 2010 release however, much to the fanbase’s disappointment, was the first to implement any kind of gender politics beyond the starting career path for the superstars.

Up to 2009, any character could fight any other character in any kind of match, you could have a scrawny Asian girl in a school uniform throw a 6“8’ behemoth off a steel cell (much to my amusement). The 2010 release barred some gimmick matches (inferno, hell in a cell and eliminator chamber to name a few) for female wrestlers, who are (more importantly) now confined to the two possible female championships and can never wrestle males.

Here comes the issue.

This was, apparently (as the internet has it), because of two things: firstly the show is PG-13 and thus the game should be too, if they’re going to market it to the same demographics, (nevermind the fact that most children who actually watch wrestling are often much younger than that, as you can plainly see in the audiences of the show itself, which makes the whole thing kinda moot from the start) and secondly because Linda McMahon, the wife of WWE’s CEO Vince McMahon, was running for senate and they didn’t want their adversaries using violence on women in the game as a weapon against her.

This is absolutely idiotic, considering every game has allowed it up to this one, making this a very “too little, too late” kind of measure, but even moreso considering that the show has featured males beating up females and vice versa several times, even during Mrs McMahon’s campaign. And even if it stopped i doubt “That was last year” would have really been enough to dismiss that kind of accusation.

Is this just stupidity? Is this just bad management? Is there some special interest group that targets games and not the TV shows that give them their license? I’m really puzzled about this, why would anyone do something like this? Especially considering the show gets much more exposure than the game, making that the logical choice for any kind of flaunting of political statements and whatnot.

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Seaofclouds's avatar

People like to blame video games for a lot of things instead of just telling parents to monitor what their children are doing. I could easily see them getting more bad publicity over the game than what actually happens on their show.

Now, was it a smart or necessary move, I don’t know. I stopped watching wrestling a long time ago because of how stupid it got to be and I don’t let my son watch it.

Thammuz's avatar

@Seaofclouds I don’t watch it either, but I loved the games, mainly because you get to do absolutely insane stuff like leaping off a steel cage onto an opponent and whatnot.

CyanoticWasp's avatar

Let me preface my remarks by saying that I think every bit of WWE is stupid, idiotic, pandering nonsense. And I have no doubt that as a proud resident of the great state of Connecticut, I’m sure that Linda McMahon would have been a huge disappointment. (As Dick Blumenthal will undoubtedly be, also.)

But I presume that the makers of the game and the ‘show’ know enough about their target audience demographics to make exactly what they want to make. As a senator, I’m sure she’d have been clueless just like all the rest of them. As a businesswoman, I have a lot of respect for her.

Thammuz's avatar

@CyanoticWasp I think this was a mistake, especially since these changes are still present in the 2011 release, even after every WWE forum has at least one petition to remove these bullshit measures and a single modder even became motivated enough to create not only a hacked savegame file that removes that particular limitation but also to create (singlehandedly) a hack that also merges the rosters of all the games that were made on the current engine (which means from 2007 onward). True, the hack needs a jtagged (or otherwise modded) Xbox 360 to work but, still, that has to be damaging to their sales in some measure.

Mikewlf337's avatar

Since it’s their product they can remove and allow anything they want in it. Their product their rules.

Thammuz's avatar

@Mikewlf337 Thank you captain obvious. I never said they weren’t allowed to do that, i just pointed out how little sense it makes to cripple your less famous product for PR’s sake while keeping your more famous one exactly the same.

Mikewlf337's avatar

@Thammuz Who cares? So you can’t have a man wrestle a woman and vice versa. If it was an issue then they would have allowed it. How would something like that cripple it? I don’t see a huge uproar because WWE wrestling games are not allowing mixed gender wrestling.On the show the female “wrestlers” are there for eye candy. Cripple it? I doubt that most people who buy those games are going to even notice it much less care about it.

Thammuz's avatar

See my previous post. As a party game that’s as close as ruining it you’d get without forcing the players to stand at least three meters away from eachother.

I used to play the game with my girlfriend, her best friend and best friend’s boyfriend, everyone with his or her own custom character. I tried the 2010 edition and it was gorgeous: better graphics, more moves and moves per character, better editor, etc. Then i find out the one reason i was going to buy it isn’t there anymore. Look this up on google and you’ll see I’m not the only one that was disappointed.

Meme1362000's avatar

This was one decsion the WWE made which I hated. I am an avid WWE fan. Therefore, I do go and buy the video games. Like many people, I create charcters which are similar to me. As a female, there is notmuch to do with the game. THere are only a limited number of divas. Furthermore, they limit the matches in which females can participate in.

Thammuz's avatar

@Meme1362000 Not to mention the whole ring steps bullshit. Seriously, you can choke someone on the ropes, hit someone with a fucking sledgehammer, but picking up ring steps is where you draw the line? are you fucking serious?

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