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Why do so many people write off schizophrenics as "insane"?

Asked by KateTheGreat (13640points) April 13th, 2011

There are many high functioning schizophrenics out there. I’m one of them. I’ve always been afraid to tell people because I’m instantly labeled as “crazy”. I know there are many instances of schizophrenics committing heinous crimes, but who gives anyone the right to instantly label someone?

Why do people do this?

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Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

Why? Because the vast majority of people have no clue what schizophrenia is.

cazzie's avatar

Oh, Kate, that is amazing. I have a friend who has been diagnosed as ‘this and that’. She and some of the establishment here in Europe is beginning to deem the practice of naming a psychological ‘disorder’ as societal bulling. I’ll see if I can find a link for you and you can google translate it…. http://kaffegal.blogspot.com/2011/03/psykiatriske-diagnoser-er-samfundsmssig.html

marinelife's avatar

Ignorance.

Mariah's avatar

I think with most mental illness, people are only aware of the most extreme “notorious” cases and don’t bother to learn that not everybody with the disease is like that.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

Because they don’t understand it. I am bipolar, and many people label me that way. It’s an unfortunate side-effect of the fact that mental illness is marginalized in many countries. Many people think that because you can’t see the illness, it doesn’t exist. They’re wrong.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

So, there is no actual psychological definition for “crazy”, nor is there one for “insane” but there is a legal definition for “insane” – not being able to tell the difference between right and wrong.

However, there is a psychological definition for “psychosis”, which I believe was formerly interchangeable with “insanity” – A severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality. Since schizophrenia is a break in the mind between reality and non-reality, it does fit the definition of “psychosis”.

SpatzieLover's avatar

People judge, especially when they are ignorant.

filmfann's avatar

I am Schizotypal, but I don’t advertise it to friends. It’s enough that I have to deal with that!

cazzie's avatar

Oh, please everyone… go to my link in the previous post and bother to translate it. It really is worth it. I’m sorry it’s in Danish, but just because we’re foreign.. don’t ignore us. We have crazy people over here too with a longer clinical history of dealing with it. (smile)

seekingwolf's avatar

Most people in the American public think “schizo” and think “multiple personality disorder”. It’s ridiculous.

If you’re a treated schizo, you can live a relatively normal life. However, untreated schizo (many of whom do end up homeless) are genuinely “insane” in the sense that they have broken away so much from reality.

I have no issue with schizos as long as they take their medication RELIGIOUSLY and abide by all of their psychiatrist’s orders.

KateTheGreat's avatar

@cazzie I’m reading it! No translator needed!

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

Ignorance.
I have two good friends that have schizophrenia, and I see this kind of discrimination first hand. People fear what they don’t understand.

wundayatta's avatar

It’s funny. My daughter was asking about schizophrenia last night at the dinner table. I wish we had recorded the conversation for you. I want to take her to my group now, so she can meet some schizophrenics—some of whom are high functioning and some of whom don’t function so well, but are not dangers to anyone.

We talked about seeing things that aren’t there (which led us off into a side discussion about how anyone knows if what they see is real or not). We talked about hearing voices and the kinds of things those voices say. She started to want to know how she could tell if she was schizophrenic or not. She seemed to be interested in the idea of whether people know they are seeing the world differently than others—which lead to the old chestnut about whether all people see the same color the same—did what I think is green look blue inside your head?

She asked how schizophrenics are treated, and what happens in their lives. We talked about what we knew (which isn’t everything, to be sure). I shared a bit of my own experience, although she doesn’t yet know I’m bipolar. We’ve only discussed the depression. This is because my wife is afraid the kids will tell all their friends.

We didn’t discuss the part about societies where people who can see things that most people can’t see are revered for their wisdom and ability to help others.

These are not things that are taught in schools. Most children don’t go to bipolar support groups. Most people have no idea. I know I didn’t before I got sick a few years back. Now I have more of an explanation for the kinds of things I think and see. I know the difference between reality and hallucination ( I believe), so I can enjoy the things I see that others don’t. Unless they bother me. Mostly they have been benign so far. Probably not even enough to think of as unusual. Just a hyperactive imagination. But there are times… when I know things that I have no way of knowing. Probably just educated guesses, but still, it’s weird.

Never mind. It’s interesting that you say you are high functioning. I know what that means, but it always struck me as an unfortunate term. I’m pretty high functioning for a bipolar dude. Never even lost a day of work. God that was weird.

The thing is that we don’t run around announcing who we are (except on fluther). Yeah, it’s like a secret club and there are ways you can recognize others without ever telling them until after you’ve established it.

I have been told that one in five people has mental illness. Wow! If that’s the case than there are tons of hidden schizos and obsessers and adders and manic-depressives and cutters and starvers and pukers and Debbie Downers all around us. All nuts. Nuts like us.

Of course, people think were incompetent and faking it and dangerous and who knows what all else. So many derogatory terms for us.

But we’re all hidden. Or mostly hidden. If our families know, they don’t talk about it. It’s a sign of shame. Services for us are the first to be cut when Republicans get a chance to wield their hatchets. Never mind that it actually costs more money. Let’s just let them hang out on the streets until we have room in the hospital. Oh dear. They died. Oh well. Ok. I’m making myself mad now.

It is useful though, if you let someone know you are crazy. It might scare them off, if they are trying to bother you. Or you can just let it happen when you need it—that beserker rage. Well, some people can. My friend has gotten himself into trouble (because he doesn’t think he’s worth staying alive), but also out of trouble when he stops caring about his life. He’s avoided death several times this way, although he had to kill his attackers in a couple of those situations—something that will forever haunt him and has ruined his marriage.

That’s just it. My wife doesn’t trust him. Hardly anyone trusts him. He makes it so easy to mistrust him. He doesn’t care any more. He is brilliant and witty and a great writer and he doesn’t give a fuck any more. They’ve taken his kid away, given him to his mother, who actually is nuttier than my friend is, and he is totally demoralized.

He’s dealing with the legal system to try to get his son back, but he’s always sabotaging himself with the lawyers. He’s always telling them how stupid they are. Good move. Problem is that deep inside, he doesn’t think he should win or have anything good. But he has such an aggressive and prickly exterior, that no one knows this. I think I’ve gotten more out of him than anyone. Proverbial iceberg and all that.

So, yeah. Not just schizophrenics. Manic-depressives; people who exhibit all kinds of apparently unreasonable paranoia; people who throw up or eat nothing. People can’t make head nor tail out of this. It just doesn’t make sense, and rather than try to understand, we get written off or marginalized or swept under the carpet.

Of course the answer is for us to come out, so people can see we’re all over the place, doing many important things for society. But who wants to be out first? Who wants to get beaten up by an uncaring society that just wants things to be smooth and thinks we’re worthless? Not me. That’s for sure.

SpatzieLover's avatar

@KatetheGreat It’s difficult for people to conceptualize what they cannot see with their eyes.

My son has Asperger’s. It is considered an invisible disability by professionals.

People can see him have a meltdown, they can see him wear clothes that do not match the season, they can see him refuse to use a public toilet, witness him hop while saying “hop” when he gets overly anxious, hear him humming music when everyone else is being silent.
People can not see past idiosyncrasies. They just see the “odd” kid in the mix of “normal” kids.
If they meet him first, when he is calm and “acting normal” they seem to see him as normal.
If they meet him at a dance or an art class, they think genius
…if they see him at church or the mall, they think (and sometimes say) retard.

CaptainHarley's avatar

Humans are categorizing creatures. They put things in categories so they can be more easily managed, rather than having to decide everytime they saw something what exactly it was. Imagine not being able to match “forward-facing eyes, long teeth, suple movements = predator” RUN!

Where this process becomes counter-productive is when we apply it to each other: blacks, whites, asians, sane people, insane people… you get the idea.

creative1's avatar

You are a great person Kate and like any other illness all you have to do is listen to your doctor and take your meds you will be fine. Unfortuntately people like to sterotype people and not keep an open mind and I am sorry you have had to experience this in your life.

My daughter I am adopting has a chance having schizophrenia from the medication that was used to detox her when she was a newborn it has not deterred me one bit from loving or wanting to adopt her. She has had my heart since she was brought to me at 3mths old and I just love her.

Just know that you can do anything in your life!

Seelix's avatar

People label schizophrenics as crazy for the same reason that they label lesbians as butch bull-dykes, gays as flamboyantly effeminate, single older women as old maids, frugal people as cheap, environmentally-conscious people as hippies… People stereotype and label because they don’t understand.

I’m glad you’ve been able to find a way to manage your mental illness. I deal with depression and anxiety and, while I know they’re not the same as schizophrenia, I know how difficult it can be to find the proper balance of meds and other therapies, and how to deal with the stigma that society puts on mental illness.

My advice? Keep being you. Tell people that are close to you if you want to. If they don’t like it, fuck ‘em. You’re stronger than that.

KateTheGreat's avatar

@creative1 That really is heartwarming!

Blackberry's avatar

I have to parrot the same answers. People don’t understand what it means. When I was younger I did the same. The only time you hear the word is when the media is discussing violent criminals, or killers in movies.

DominicX's avatar

It depends on a person’s definition of “insane”. The word is vague at best and seems to not have much “official” status. Some people seem to take it to mean any mentally ill person, others use it to mean an extreme case of mental illness to the point where a person cannot function in “normal” society. Because the word is so vague and so open to interpretation based on individual perspectives, I would never use it to describe mental illness.

Aster's avatar

Labels are given for purposes of communication and identification. Professionals must have a name of an alleged illness when speaking with their peers and in keeping charts of their patients so the terms were invented to facilitate this. It’s just language.

Seelix's avatar

I would very much hope that a professional would not use the word “crazy” in their charts or speaking with their patients.

Aster's avatar

No; of course not. I hope my post didn’t give that impression, @Seelix . But I feel confident they put “possible schizophrenic” on charts. I was married to a psychologist so I do know that all of them use terms in conversations. Just like a pediatrician would say, “sinus infection” to convey the illness both to other doctors and on the child’s chart. but, then, I can imagine my GP wrote down “hopeless lunatic” on mine after the first visit.

Seelix's avatar

@Aster – Okay, I see what you’re saying. I don’t think that @KatetheGreat is upset about being labelled as schizophrenic, though. If that’s what she is, that’s what she is. My understanding was that she was upset about being labelled as “crazy”. Using accepted medical terms is, of course, not something to be upset about.

JLeslie's avatar

I think it is because hearing voices is thought of as being really crazy. Hallucinating, believing in visions, and voices that are not there seem really insane to people who do not understand. I don’t think it has to do with people thinking a schizophrenic is going to be a criminal. The perception is if a person does not know what is real, they have trouble living in reality, and a split with reality, again, is quickly grouped into the crazy catagory.

Other mental illness is not catagorized like this in people’s minds. Depression, in simplistic terms, is a long on going sadness, and everyone can identify with sadness. Other illnesses like bipolar, sociopaths, narcissistic, etc, we can all usually think of someone who sort of or does meet one of those diagnosis, and we can not necessarily understand it, but feel we have witnessed it, and know how normal the person can be at times. I think schizophrenia is still hidden, not talked about, and not understood, because of the perceptions out there, and the fear schizophrenics have of being judged.

Disclaimer: my grandfather was schizophrenic. I also worked in a psych hospital for a while.

talljasperman's avatar

The media is partially to blame .“A deranged/ill man today injured several innocent…ect ”

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@talljasperman That’s true. To paraphrase (ok, steal) something I read earlier today, Law & Order: It Worked Out doesn’t air 25 times a day.

JustJessica's avatar

I wish I knew more open minded people like you guys, in my real everyday life. So many people just seem so closed off and ignorant. I♥ OPEN MINDEDNESS!!!

Oh and my answer I think it’s from pure lack of education in that area. I try not to label people as crazy, gay, weird, normal or anything. If people would take a min to actually read up a subject they might open their heart and minds a little bit.

gm_pansa1's avatar

I was recently diagnosed with said illness, and I don’t understand why people would be like this either. I think it may have something to do with the fact that people are naturally judgemental. Doesn’t mean it’s right or fair either.

wundayatta's avatar

I do like calling myself crazy, though. I always have. Now it has a hidden irony. Or, with my friends, it’s an exclusive club.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

They’re scared of you.

mattbrowne's avatar

Because they are not “sane” enough to understand schizophrenia or any other mental illness properly. Most crazy people are actually not mentally ill. Hitler wasn’t, but he sure was crazy.

Seelix's avatar

@mattbrowne – Hitler was likely not schizophrenic, but many scholars have suggested that he had late-stage syphilis at the end of his life, which can cause dementia. He was also likely addicted to amphetamines, which can alter one’s thinking.

mattbrowne's avatar

@Seelix – Some time ago I read a book by Manfred Luetz (only available in German) who is a psychiatrist. The title was ‘craziness versus mental illnesses’. There were a couple of case studies and one was about Hitler. Yes, he had syphilis, but not yet dementia according to Luetz. Some addictions or levels of addictions are classified as mental illness, while others are not (nicotine addiction doesn’t change the behavior of people for example). But many addictions can indeed alter one’s thinking.

Seelix's avatar

@mattbrowne – I’m not denying that he was out-and-out crazy – there was something seriously wrong with that guy. And I’m no scholar of psychiatry or of Hitler, either; I just wanted to point out that he very well could have had mental illness(es).

mattbrowne's avatar

@Seelix – Yes, he very well could have had a mental illness. Have you seen this movie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Untergang

When I watched it, it was hard to think that Hitler did not have a mental illness.

Seelix's avatar

@mattbrowne – I haven’t seen it, but I’ve done a little research about him in past years for history courses. I guess I kind of hope he had a mental illness, because that makes me think that it’s impossible for a completely “sane” person to be that evil. (I know it’s unlikely, but it gives me a little comfort, anyway.)

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