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Rand Paul to file class action lawsuit against Obama administration supporting NSA spying. Will you sign up?

Asked by RealEyesRealizeRealLies (30818points) January 4th, 2014

Pick your political trench here.

Some say it’s political posturing to prep for future presidential run. Some say it’s a good venue to voice your position.

Either way, I say it’s best for everyone to keep talking about the issue.

What say you?

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jerv's avatar

I’ve already thrown in with the EFF, an organization that also opposes the NSA ‘s shenanigans, but that I actually agree with far more than I agree with Rand Paul.

But yes, it is best for us to not let this issue fade away.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I utterly dislike Rand Paul (and his Nazi father), but on the spying issue I agree.

But this lawsuit isn’t going to go anywhere, because the justice system is all lined up pro-spying. There is no such thing as an independent judiciary any more.

SquirrelEStuff's avatar

His Nazi father?!?!? What makes you think he’s a nazi? I feel as if you utterly misunderstand(like most people), what his father stands for.
Ron Paul has been one of the only candidates for the past 20–30 years who wants the government to have LESS intrusive powers and laws. I think that makes him anti-nazi.

I absolutely will sign up for the lawsuit against the NSA. The potential abuse for such a program far outweighs the likelihood of it preventing a terrorist attack.

SquirrelEStuff's avatar

Have you considered the possibility that both “conservative” and “liberal” media are all owned by the same handful of corporations who influence policy within the government and that they work together to make sure the candidates that are at the forefront are there for a reason?
There is a video on YouTube of how Ron Paul was cheated out of the presidency showing how throughout the entire primaries, Ron Paul was actually right in the mix for campaign contributions and voting, yet was treated as if he didn’t exist.
I urge you to watch this video to see how anytime a candidate may be a threat to the establishment, the media will do whatever they can to try and discredit him.

Go back and watch videos of him from the 80s. Almost everything he had talked about has come true. From the military industrial complex, to the devaluing of our currency, to our loss of civil liberties.

How can you call him a nazi, when Obama (and Romney) support spying on our citizens, indefinitely detaining citizens, consolidation of media, bombing several countries…..?
Those are much more in lock step with nazi policies than anything Ron Paul has been talking about.

Just curious, have you ever taken time to listen to Ron Paul outside of a sound bite or clip from mainstream media? Have you ever read one of his books to gain an understanding of his viewpoints?

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.”

- Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

1TubeGuru's avatar

I would not give Rand Paul the time of day.

SquirrelEStuff's avatar

I’m reading through your links. The amazon one doesn’t work. The other ones mention how anonymous hacked email accounts and proved Ron Paul’s connection to white-supremacist groups.
Have you looked through and investigated the article? There is no substance. Where are the links to the emails?
I see it says that emails exist, which is not enough to prove anything without the actual emails.

Do you typically read conservative sites and believe them without investigating? Why all of a sudden?

I was able to find the book on Amazon. Did you ever read it or research it? You are making pretty bold accusations regarding him, which has already made you make up your mind that he’s a nazi.

Without links to articles of which it seems you’ve only read the headlines, please explain in your words how Ron Paul is a nazi??

zenvelo's avatar

Ron Paul is a racist.

(That’s from the Washington Post.)

And, he is a whack-a-doodle about extraterrestrials.

Back to the original question, a “class-action” lawsuit against a “court approved” over-reaching? The law doesn’t work that way, and Rand Paul and his lawyers know that. It’s all grandstanding.

Darth_Algar's avatar

I really wish the Paulbots would recognize that Ron and Rand are nothing more than political opportunists, they are not the men of integrity you want to believe they are. And honestly, if libertarians want a champion for their cause they could do a lot better than Ron Paul and the baggage he brings along with him.

tom_g's avatar

I don’t know about the Pauls and their alleged racism. I don’t particularly care. I do care that I disagree with their position on almost everything. But where we do agree, I acknowledge that. But we’re talking about a couple of assholes who oppose net neutrality, same-sex marriage, do not accept modern biology (evolution), and feel that the only power that should be checked is government (except when they don’t).

So, what’s up with his class action suit? I don’t know, but I suspect he’s waging it for all the wrong reasons. I have some reading to do…

Paradox25's avatar

I’m not trying to change the subject concerning NSA, but the hypocrisy of Republicans concerning civil liberties and the Constitution is amazing. Republican dominated states frequently terrorize hydroponics customers by spying on them, knocking on their doors and many times raiding their homes, all in the name of saving the world from potheads. Most of these searches were not the result of probable cause, and in the cases where search warrants were issued even those would be illegal since it’s perfectly legal to purchase hydroponic equipment. I’m not going to tackle other examples of Republican hypocrisy here since I was more concerned about making a bigger point.

Now all of a sudden Republicans are concerned about civil liberties being violated, give me a fucking break!? This Republican response to NSA spying is nothing more than partisan jabbing, and the paridigm concerning conservatives and civil liberties has not changed much within the past forty years or so. It’s an issue to be concerned about, but somehow I don’t feel that most conservatives give a shit about this out of the goodness of their hearts now.

jerv's avatar

@Paradox25 NSA-type spying may reveal the wrongdoings of the Republicans, and now that they finally realize that, they may be changing their tune a little bit.

You are correct that is has nothing to do with the goodness of their heart-analogues (I don’t know what they have, but it’s not a heart).

Paradox25's avatar

Not a vital organ thing :)

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