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chelle21689's avatar

How will protesting change the disapproval for Donald Trump's victory?

Asked by chelle21689 (6873points) November 12th, 2016

What will this change? Serious question. Thousands and thousands all over the country are protesting in thousands and making their voices heard. But will it do anything?

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Lightlyseared's avatar

Politicians like to keep the voting public happy. Protesting lets trump know that a significant number of voters are not happy with how he intends to run things. The good news is that trump has already started changing his policies on healthcare so he might be open to changing other policies.

Also its cathartic and makes you feel better. That’s important too.

kritiper's avatar

Ever been in a fist fight? You always feel much better emotionally afterwards.

si3tech's avatar

@chelle21689 The left wing liberals are funding this. The media and politicians who vow revenge and on and on. It ceases to be a protest when it becomes violent. There has been rioting. And a shooting. And how does it change anything? It does not. Many of the people who are protesting are thugs and criminals who do not believe in the constitution. I said many. Not all. These people are paid to do this AND some are bused around from other states/communities. Like Occupy Wall Street”.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

Why assume the point of the protest is to change anything?

elbanditoroso's avatar

It won’t change a thing; in fact it may make things worse if the right wing thugs get involved.

But it’s an emotional release, which is probably necessary for a lot of people.

Compare this to the Five Steps of Grief – the well known list of how people deal with death.

First = Denial
Second = Anger
Third – Bargaining
Fourth = Depression
Fifth = Acceptance

link

We are somewhere between steps 1 and 2.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

The protests in my community are mostly legit college students, liberal activists and just angry left wingers. I don’t see any evidence of them being paid, they are just a bunch of entitled babies throwing a tantrum.

BellaB's avatar

No one is funding the protests that friends in the US have been participating in. Same thing here – no funding.

I hope they stay in the denial and anger stages. There is no place for acceptance in this.

cinnamonk's avatar

Many people are protesting to (a) assert their values in the face of Trump’s bigoted rhetoric and (b) demonstrate their solidarity with the people who are fearful of the effects of a Trump presidency on their lives (like non-whites, immigrants, LGBT, women, etc.).

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

He has not done anything yet. He is not even in office. Once something specific that warrants a protest manifests then by all means do so, hell count me in too. Until then at least give the man a chance to do the right thing. All this protesting is doing is simply making the left look really bad.

cinnamonk's avatar

I completely disagree. The gravity of the situation (we just elected a fucking sexual predator into the highest office in the land, for fuck’s sake) demands that protests be held.

We have to have at least a few people out there protesting, if only to counterbalance the KKK’s victory rally.

JoyousLove's avatar

It is actually better, in my humble opinion, that we begin protesting sooner than later. This new administration has had a long history of making radical claims and accusations, and it is important to send a message that this will not be tolerated.

I disagree that these are all not protests any more. A protest is not necessarily a non-violent protest… And a violent protest is not necessarily a riot. Certainly some of these situations could be considered riots… But similarly some are in fact peaceful protests. Then there are the violent protests somewhere in the middle, there.

I am glad to see Trump backing off of his extreme position regarding the Arfordable Care Act. I hope this trend continues. But the best way to make it clear that that is the trend we hope for is to continue to speak out against the proposed policies that we do not support.

I don’t believe we live in an America that would accept rolling reproductive rights back four decades (overturning Roe v Wade). Nor do I see us as a country that would accept overturning the more recent decisions favoring gay rights and anti-lgbtqa+ discrimination. That being said… This new administration vowed to do these things. Pence, for example, signed off on a law in (I believe) Indiana, right before becoming Trump’s running mate… Effectively legalizing discrimination against the lgbtqa+ community in that state.

There are countless other concerns that many people have regarding this administration’s intentions… And it is important… Nay, it is VITAL that we send a clear message of what our expectations are.

Seek's avatar

^ Couldn’t have said it better myself. In fact, all I have going through my head these days are punk rock lyrics. “You can’t bring me down” and “Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me”, among those rising to the surface.

cinnamonk's avatar

@JoyousLove “But the best way to make it clear that that is the trend we hope for is to continue to speak out against the proposed policies that we do not support.”

Agreed, and this is why, even though I choose not to participate in these protests myself, I will never deride, belittle, or dismiss as “whiny entitled babies” those who do.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

In my area the protestors include LGBT, foreign born and college age.

tinyfaery's avatar

I’ve never found demonstrations particularly useful. Here in L.A. you will never bring people to your cause if you fuck with the traffic. No one fucks with the traffic.

Cruiser's avatar

I would love to see man on the street interviews with these protesters and I would be none surprised that they have any more of an idea ehy the are protesting President elect Trump than they did when protesting candidate Trump. Bunch of phoney shills IMO.

JLeslie's avatar

I don’t think it will change what is about to happen, but I do think some protesting is a good thing. I don’t approve of stopping traffic and setting things on fire, but absolutely people should demonstrate if they want their “voice” heard.

It’s America, it’s part of our freedom of speech. It is the biggest and most significant part of our freedom of speech, the freedom to speak against what is happening in the government even if it was done by a vote.

Pandora's avatar

I see it as being cathartic. It lets protesters vent and it also give solidarity to others who are afraid. It would be worse if people didn’t protest, because then people will feel isolated and the anger will build, resulting in violent crimes. There are a lot of White people, Christians, and straight people and men in these protests and that is very needed right now because if we let things stand, everyone will feel that it is possible that they are hated by all white, christian straight men. Stupidly there were many white men who voting for Trump was like blowing up the Washington elite and that all his promises were bogus. They may be right, but they didn’t see the fear and panic their neighbors would have of their real motives.
I’ve seen time after time Republicans interviewed saying that he only says those things to win and scare Washington. Meanwhile they also ignored the division it would cause and how it would empower White nationalists to be hateful. They thought it will blow over. These are the same people who live in their own little bubble of denial. They never believed that racism really exists and now they see the damage that is being done. The Washington elite and rich will only become more powerful and the poor will get no better and the middle class will disappear.

For some reason they never figured that Trump is the Washington Elite. He’s been hands deep dirty with them for years.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@Cruiser Shills are given talking points to sell. That’s the whole point. So if interviews revealed these protesters to be know-nothings, then they would by definition not be shills.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

What it will do is show the world that people here are just as much of a whiner when elections do not go their way as we here say those of other nations do.

stanleybmanly's avatar

It’s people blowing off steam and it’s nothing compared to the shit that would have erupted had the jackass been defeated. And it’s silly to believe that the protests have been planned, financed or engineered through crafty liberal machinations. There wasn’t a liberal in the country who believed the orange idiot stood a chance in hell of being elected, and lefties were united in anticipating Trump’s defeat. Nope, the eruptions are the spontaneous reactions of folks blindsided by the unthinkable.

LostInParadise's avatar

Protests can lead to organization. Progressives need to organize at the local and national level and field candidates who represent their point of view. Four years from now, the question will be, are you better off since Trump took office? If that answer is no, as I believe it will be, then there needs to be an alternative to both Trump and the mainstream Republicans and Democrats.

Cruiser's avatar

@JeSuisRickSpringfield You are right…I misused the word shill. My answer was a knee jerk reaction to all the “protesters” paid to create drama and incite violence during the campaign and I can’t help but inject my own perception of those deceptions into the riots we are seeing now.

The reasons for these protests could not be more vague

Darth_Algar's avatar

I don’t know if it will change anything, but people forget – this nation was built on protest. Protest is woven into the very fabric of the United States of America. If the people did not protest then we would still be swearing our loyalty to the British crown.

Cruiser's avatar

@Darth_Algar I agree with your sentiments, but will add that protesting that does not affect change is a senseless waste of time and more “feel good” theater than anything.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Cruiser

Effect is not always immediately obvious.

cinnamonk's avatar

@Cruiser how do you know that these protests won’t change anything?

JoyousLove's avatar

@AnonymousAccount8: The honest fact is that he does not know that. Whether he believes he does or not. This is of course my opinion… But it’s an opinion based on my general belief that people cannot gaze into the future, nor predict the future based on current events with 100% accuracy.

So what could we do to try to analyze the current situation and predict what will happen? Let’s look to the past, instead. We have as evidence for the successful nature of protests… ~Cue Patroitic Fanfare and Flag Waving~ The Boston Tea Party (as previously mentioned), the Civil Rights Movement, Women’s Suffrage, the riots in Greenwich Village following the shutdown of Stonewall Inn, the Triangle Shirtwaist fire (as sad as this incident was), the Black Power Movement (who doesn’t adore Martin Luther King, Jr…? And certainly, we are happy that this movement succeeded), the more recent Tea Party (which is really what fueled Republicans’ return to House majority back in 2010… Don’t get me wrong… I don’t agree with all protests, my point is simply that protests often build into movements and these are several relevant successful examples), and (arguably) the various Occupy Movements (we’ll have to wait to see what changes these might affect, but they definitely sent a message… That no longer how long it takes, they will make their voices heard).

I am 100% certain that I could produce more examples… But I feel like this covers a significant span of time in U.S. history and makes note of some of the extremely important ones.

The fact is that this country would not exist without protests… And it certainly wouldn’t be the amazing nation that we cherish without protests.

So my prediction is… This may take time. This may take effort. But so long as the protesters stay dedicated… As long as they struggle and work to make their voices heard… Change may well be inevitable. :)

Cruiser's avatar

@AnonymousAccount8 because these protesters are protesting something that is essentially unchangeable at least for the next 4 years. And these same protesters are failing to recognize that an equal amount of people voted for our soon to be President. We can have a colossal tug of war for the next 4 years or make a sincere effort together to make our country better than great again.

cinnamonk's avatar

Actually, millions more people voted for Hillary Clinton than Trump. link

Seek's avatar

We can have a colossal tug of war for the next 4 years or make a sincere effort together to make our country better than great again.

i just threw up in my mouth

elbanditoroso's avatar

I thought the US was pretty damned great before Trump.

He denigrated the US to make a straw man in order to get elected.

Sure, there are things that could have been improved, but I guarantee you that things will be FAR WORSE after he has been in office a year or two.

JoyousLove's avatar

@Cruiser: Not so. Trump is impeachable, available to be assassinated, etc. However… That’s not really what needs to be changed anyways. I don’t mind Trump running this country… As long as he doesn’t do more than half of the things that he proclaimed during his campaign. Do I think that is a likely turn of events? No. Do I think that protests might make it more likely? Yes.

He’s already backpedaled a bit on his anti-ACA intentions, so… We’ll see where he goes from here. However, things that I am specifically interested in seeing change:
Trump said he intends to overturn Roe v Wade through appointment of Supreme Court Justices who would do so. Trump said that he would support overturning Obergefell v Hodges, which would take away the right of homosexuals to get married. Trump intends to cut funding to the Environment Protection Agency and appoint a climate-change-denier as the leader of his interim EPA team. Trump has said he will overturn the federal Clean Power Plan. Trump has said he will create tariffs on a large number of other countries (which could easily result in a trade war, causing a global recession). Trump has said and done… And promised!... Some very bigoted and frankly… Un-American things. I could go on, but I won’t at this time, instead I’ll address the rest of your post.

More people voted for Clinton, actually. Not a LOT more, but more. However, the electoral college clearly favoured Donald Trump. If you look at the final numbers for the popular vote vs the electoral college votes… You’ll see what I mean.

The only reason we’ll have a tug of war these next four years will be if he tries to follow through with the inane bullshit that he spouted throughout his campaign trail. And honestly… If he does try to follow through with that stuff.. I will fight him tooth and nail, to keep him from making America HATE again.

JoyousLove's avatar

Ah, and so.. To conclude… Perhaps the most useful thing we can do right now is to demonstrate our dissatisfaction with his platform so that he might reconsider it more and more. It will help to get organized and begin lobbying through congress… But we’ll have to take things one step at a time.

Do I think violent protests are the answer? No, not really. Do I think that protest will help? Absolutely. I understand why people are violent and angry… But I personally do not support violence. However…. Their cause is worthy and I will stand by them and defend that cause. 100% (or at least 99% ;) )

Cruiser's avatar

@JoyousLove you and I are for the most part on the same page nuts and bolts wise. Trump’s main challenge is to find a working relationship with not only Congress but his own party. Tall order indeed.

Jaxk's avatar

Violent protests have been a tool of the Left for quite some time now. Chant hate and discontent, torch the local businesses, set fire to your neighbor’s car and then call it peaceful protesting. It’s simply an intimidation tactic that they’ve employed for decades. There doesn’t need to be any goal, any real change that they want, it’s merely news coverage that they need.

This is not what the country was built on, it’s what authoritarian governments are built on. Get a grip, Trump won.

cinnamonk's avatar

@Jaxk
As others have pointed out, the right to protest is precisely what this country is built on. It is the most important right we have. Some of the protests have become violent, but they are far from the norm, so I’m not sure why you are focusing on them specifically.

Cruiser's avatar

@AnonymousAccount8 Yes our constitution protects the right to protest but it also demands the prosecution of people who also intentionally destroy and pillage private property as a guise for protesting.

cinnamonk's avatar

@Cruiser I don’t understand what that has to do with my comment. I am not defending violent protesters or arguing that they should not be held responsible for any damage they cause.

Cruiser's avatar

@AnonymousAccount8 If you don’t know this…then I feel I can’t help you understand the distinction between the two and is part of the reason why there are people protesting Trump’s election.

JoyousLove's avatar

From the very beginning, the protest that helped create our nation… Was not a peaceful protest. Yes, the constitution protects your right to assemble peacefully. Yes, our law does call for the prosecution of people who willfully destroy private (and public) property. However…

To say that the “Left” is the only part of the political spectrum that has used violent protests is a good demonstration of confirmation bias at best.

To say that this country was built out of the ashes of something besides (sometimes violent) protests is actually a fairly blind look, from a historical perspective.

Trump won. His plans for our government actually seem more in line with an authoritarian government than a large group of people protesting (only some of whom have become violent), because they are angry and afraid about the intentions of this man who has repeatedly indicated plans to undo what social progress we have made over the last 100 years.

Also, @Cruiser… Please clarify your last comment. It honestly did not make sense at all.

Firstly, say which this you are talking about as that might clarify the rest of the meaning in your statement… However, I get the impression it won’t, since then you say that since you won’t be able to help explain the distinction between the TWO (so now we need a clarification here too… What two… Violent and non-violent protest? That’s what I would assume, except that the rest of your statement doesn’t make me feel like that’s what you meant?), and then you said, “and is part of the reason why there are people protesting Trump’s election.” So… I’m confused. I feel like you talked about three different things in one sentence without actually defining any of them.

Pandora's avatar

@Cruiser Almost half of the people who could vote did not. And the half that did vote, gave the majority of their votes to Clinton. It was a tight race. So that just means that only a quarter of the voting public favored Trump. So no. You can’t say that half of the country support Trump. The other half didn’t vote because of apathy, or they felt neither of the candidates were good choices. It means one quarter opposed Trump and half of the country doesn’t care or hates both or figured the fix was in for either candidate with all the talk of a rigged system.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

About a quarter of the population hated Hillary just a little more than Trump. I know literally no one who was all in for the guy.

Cruiser's avatar

@Pandora _“Almost half of the people who could vote did not.“__

Your numbers are pretty much close to all the other previous Presidential elections…people are lazy and complacent and Hillary only made this reality worse. Even if 100% of the people voted….please tell me how in your perfect world would the outcome be different?

Pandora's avatar

@Cruiser, Right after you tell me how you would know for a fact that the half that didn’t vote would’ve all voted for Trump. I’m not saying they are all Clinton voters, but it’s possible they would’ve voted for neither. I no more have a crystal ball than your crystal ball in assuming that if everyone voted it would’ve remained the same. Your statement was positive that HALF of the nation voted for Trump. I’m pointing out that HALF did not Vote for him or against him. But remained apathetic to either candidate.

Cruiser's avatar

@Pandora I will be glad to give you an answer when you define this “half that didn’t vote”. All I know is 49% of voters voted for Ms Hillary and 49% of voter voted for Mr. Trump…I am interested where you perceived “half that didn’t vote” comes from and how these magical voters would factor in????

cinnamonk's avatar

@Cruiser approximately half of eligible voters chose not to participate in the election, hence @Pandora‘s comment.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

I would like to clarify about the shooting that took place in my city. It was entirely unrelated to the protests and was linked to gang activity.

I can’t add more, really, except that protesting – even those (especially those) that cause disruption, are the ones that everyone hears about. Ask anyone involved in the Civil Rights movement if they stayed on the sidewalks and didn’t cause any disruption. And considering that Trump just hired a white nationalist to be his chief presidential adviser, who is directly responsible – in a huge way – for the modern white supremacist movement… well, I can only hope that the protests get louder and louder.

cazzie's avatar

From a point of view outside the US, it is showing other countries that they do not like that Trump won, and they are expressing the feeling we are all feeling over here in Europe. Shock and horror. We stand with hashtagnotmypresident

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Jaxk You and @Cruiser should get over it. These people protesting aren’t the Weathermen. The truth is that when it comes to violent protest, it’s the wing nuts on the right that are seizing government lands while armed to the teeth, barricading themselves to shoot it out with the ATF, etc. The 2 of you both fully realize the sort of display from the right that would have gripped the country had Clinton won the election. The left hasn’t put on a violent show in this country since the days of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

Cruiser's avatar

@stanleybmanly I almost might agree with you except for the fact that no one on the right expected Trump to win…hell even Trump has now said he didn’t think he was going to win and why I will argue no one would have a real reason to get upset if he had lost.

The left is just a bunch of petulant sore losers.~

Jaxk's avatar

@stanleybmanly – Dallas, Ferguson, Baltimore weren’t violent? The left comes out for any perceived grievance and the Democratic party supports them. Nothing would have happened with a Trump defeat, it’s not the way conservatives operate.

stanleybmanly's avatar

That’s not the way YOU operate. You KNOW good and well that for every unsavory leftist, I can drag out a series of monsters from the right so detestable that even you would be embarrassed. In fact the greatest handicap to conservatism is the increasing frequency with which the movement is defined by folks like the KKK, Branch Davidians, minutemen, skin heads, white supremacists, segregationists, etc.

Jaxk's avatar

That is precisely the argument that didn’t work for this election. None of those groups are conservatives nor supported by conservatives. On the left however they are liberals and embraced by liberals in Washington. When have you ever heard chanting like “what do we want, dead cops, when do we want it NOW’ and anyone vowed support for that group? Only on the left does this happen.

Not to mention the membership in those groups you identify is virtually nonexistent. They are only kept alive by the ranting of the left. I can’t remember the last time I heard of a protest march (or any other protest) by those groups.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

It never ceases to amaze me just how skewed the perception is that the left holds of the right wing. Perhaps if the liberal extremists say racist, KKK and bigots loud and often enough everyone else on the left will start to believe it. Seems to be the case. I literally don’t know a single person from the KKK, a single person who you could call a racist and a single person I would consider a bigot among my right wing peers. This is just straight up slander. They are certainly not “undeducated dimwits from bumfuck rural areas” They are engineers, scientists and other professionals. They care about people, donate to charity and are the people who guard you at night. If people ever want to work together this has got to stop. The left has got to realize that the right is not their enemy.

You start looking at the unsavory elements on the left and right and I just about guarantee that you will not find average working class-middle class folks who just want to go to work, raise their kids and live life. You are going to find the unsavory elements are criminal, extremists, sociopathic, uneducated and basic lowlife dvum living on the fringes of society. This knows no political boundary but the demographics are a bit different. Same shit different side of the fence.

Seek's avatar

The left has got to realize that the right is not their enemy.

If you’re nonwhite, nonChristian, nonmale, nonstraight, noncisgendered, and nonrich, the right is your enemy. By their own choice and actions.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Nonwhite, non elitist, non wealthy, no PHd, not conservative, and they are not my enemy…..so…

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Seek it is your perception and it is quite incorrect.

Cruiser's avatar

@Seek you may have to rethink your last comment as the Right did not choose Trump, I would posit the Right worked harder at trying to knock Trump down than the left did. Pissed off disenfranchised voters on both sides and in the middle voted Trump into office. The left assumed they had it in the bag, the Right was eviscerated and neutered by Trump and the media got it wrong not once but twice. To not acknowledge the passion and reasons behind all these middle class voters that got Trump elected is IMO to make just another judgement error.

Seek's avatar

I’m not going to insult your intelligence, @ARE_you_kidding_me and @Cruiser, by listing the anti-non-white-straight-cisgendered-dude legislation that has been proposed, passed, or slammed down by the courts in the last ten years.

You can delude yourself all you want, but don’t piss in my face and tell me it’s raining.

Cruiser's avatar

@Seek I am not suggesting you have to embrace it but denial of the reality that just elected Trump will not change things one bit. Sleep with the lights on for the next 4 years if you must.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Jaxk you conservatives crack me up. How can you any of you pretend that those people on my list aren’t conservatives when we all know EXACTLY who they voted for as well as publicly endorsed? They may not be YOUR kind of conservatives, but the Republican Party has courted and relied dependably on their votes for better than 50 years.

stanleybmanly's avatar

And you’re fooling yourself if you believe “the argument didn’t work this time”. Trump won PRECISELY because he had a lock on the ever expanding “lunatic fringe”.

Cruiser's avatar

You can’t be serious @stanleybmanly…49.49% of people who voted just elected Trump and if you think they all are indeed part of the lunatic fringe…how are you not packed and on the road out of this country?

stanleybmanly's avatar

That isn’t what I said. What I AM saying is that the Nazis, birthers, klansmen, etc voted for Trump. I’m also stating unequivocally that he could not have made it without them.

Cruiser's avatar

@stanleybmanly Time to loosen your neck tie and take a deep breath…seriously…just as many nut jobs voted for Hillary and they are now protesting in the streets.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Seek that all or nothing attitude is why we have this person in office. The fringe is nowhere near as big as the internet makes it look. There were Democrats who flipped and voted for Trump, there is no other explanation for the rust belt swing states. Had Sanders been the guy this would not be the case, Sanders would have had my vote and most of the union democrats who flipped. The election of Trump had very little to do with the lunatic fringe. Trump is mostly the failure of the DNC to field a reasonable candidate, they would have had it locked with the right wing in shambles the way it is. The only republicans I know that don’t lean at least a little left on social issues are religious right wingers. If the left would compromise even a little on economics and things like the 2nd amendment they would probably never lose another election.

Seek's avatar

Is there some particular reason you’re so heavily invested in my submitting to four years of right wing nut jobs led by a fascist narcissist?

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Nope, just want some who blame right wing boogymen to take credit for their part of this mess we are in.

cinnamonk's avatar

I blame the 60 million fucking morons who voted for Trump for the mess we are in.

cinnamonk's avatar

I’ve done plenty of bad things in my life, plenty of things that I’m not proud of. But this? I had no hand in this.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me Of course it wasn’t the whackos that were in the main responsible for Trump’s success. But you have to wonder just where all the inflammatory Mexican rapists / Muslim elimination rhetoric was directed. Then there’s the little episode of the open endorsement of our hero by the klan, and to this day, he has neither rejected nor denounced the bunch. It is difficult to argue that Trump didn’t seek to deliberately stir up the people from the sewers. And clearly he was damned good at it.

Cruiser's avatar

@stanleybmanly I really don’t get why Klan endorsement is such a big deal when anyone who is not a Klansman know them kind are ugly racist supremacist whackos. But without the robe on they are citizens who work, run businesses and pay taxes like most everyone else and are entitled to vote for who ever they want and really should not color the character of the candidate. Hell 8 years ago 4 out of the 5 head Klan honchos endorsed Hillary. BFD.

Strauss's avatar

@Cruiser …protesting that does not affect change is a senseless waste of time and more “feel good” theater than anything.

Here are a few protests in movements that did affect change:

Boston Tea Party—December 16, 1773
American Labor Movement: first strike in New York by carpenters and other tradesmen—June 1893
Women’s Suffrage march—May 9, 1914
Civil Rights March on Washington DC—August 28 1963
Protests against the War in Vietnam—October 21, 1967
“Stonewall” Protests for Gay Rights—June 28, 1969
Antiglobalization—Seattle, WA, 1999
The Tea party—January 2009
Occupy Wall Street—September 17, 2011

Each of these demonstrations—and the movements that brought them into action—have had (and are having) a profound effect on our lives today, for better or worse.

Cruiser's avatar

@Yetanotheruser I was awake in my history classes but thanks for all the effort. Question for you though…Occupy Wall Street…though a big largely successful protest…what real change if any did it bring about? I can’t find any evidence that other than awareness it is business as usual on Wall Street.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Cruiser you make an astute and poignant point. Klansmen are citizens too! They, like the protesters have a point of view and are entitled to express it. The scandal of course arises with the necessity that those points of view must be massaged in order to acquire the votes of those holding them. Thus the notorious “Southern Strategy” in which those views were and ARE clearly accommodated but NEVER openly admitted. Elections amount to battles for ideas. Personally, I don’t think for a minute that Trump is a bigot with hostile feelings about Mexicans, Muslims or anyone else. He won’t build the fairy tale wall, nor dump Obamacare unless it’s for federally financed universal healthcare. That doesn’t mean that he won’t say whatever is necessary to “gain the throne”. And it is at this point that I find fault with you guys. You conservatives listened to the man’s rants and slanders, then dismissed them with “that shit isn’t meant to sway me. I neither believe nor approve of it.” So as with the Southern Strategy, if the message isn’t for you then at WHOM is it directed?

ucme's avatar

The States is not only far from united, it appears to be fucking broken…thoroughly.

stanleybmanly's avatar

These are issues mirrored where you live as well. Your safety net is superior and delaying the crunch, but it’s coming and you should brace for it.

stanleybmanly's avatar

The REAL significance of this election is that it was a clear cut referendum on common sense. The attributes and defects of the candidates were right there out in the open. We all heard the rhetoric from both. If the results of this election are grounded on that rhetoric, our troubles run a great deal deeper than the majority of us suppose. So which is it? Are people stupid, ignorant or irrational? Why is it that “just plain fed up” should be acceptable permission to tolerate the first 3 constants?

Cruiser's avatar

@stanleybmanly I think we will get acquainted with this “Southern Strategy” by how they handle the “Ape in heels” ladies. Their town county is reported to be .2% black.

Do all stupid comments now automatically require a bloodletting or will their apologies to Michelle suffice?

I read yesterday how one of Trumps accusers who said a simple apology from Donald would be nice. IMO simple heartfelt apologies do work. But hey, I am an optimist.

Strauss's avatar

@Cruiser Occupy Wall Street…though a big largely successful protest…what real change if any did it bring about?

One protest does not a movement make. I doubt that we’ve seen the last of the “Occupy” movement, and it’s too early to tell what, if any, long-term effect there will be.

Cruiser's avatar

@Yetanotheruser That movement is already over 5 years old….moving at plate tectonic speed.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Trump and the Klan, trump and the Klan, what about Jezebel Hillary lauding Margaret Sanger as a great American when she was a racist or at very least a closet racist leaning bigot; Trump and the Klan….wow man…..wow.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@Cruiser The success of Occupy Wall Street is twofold. First, it inspired Occupy movements across the country (the most successful probably being Occupy Oakland). Second, it created the base for people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The ripple effect is real, even if subtle.

@Hypocrisy_Central Sanger was no more racist than anyone else of her generation. All of the “quotes” used to suggest otherwise are proven fakes or taken wildly out of context. Trump, meanwhile, has hired a blatant racist and anti-Semite to be his strategic advisor. You don’t have to be racist to support Trump, but you do have to be comfortable with racism or else in complete and utter denial.

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Cruiser's avatar

@JeSuisRickSpringfield I have been keeping an eye out for this “subtle” impact of the occupy Wall Street movement and all I have noticed is the DOW blasting through to 20,000 which tells me the movers and shakers on WS are chugging along with more ferver than ever.

cazzie's avatar

And the consumer protection bill that was passed will surely be ripped down by the new emperor by Executive Order.

Cruiser's avatar

@cazzie If you are going to throw down bold headlines that insinuate doomsday results can you pretty please provide context, facts and or links to illustrate your comment and why you feel the way you do about Trump remaking the FCC?

stanleybmanly's avatar

The protests are merely the reflection of Trump’s “DEDICATED” opposition. I can sit here and badmouth him, but those folks in the streets are SERIOUS opposition with potential to topple the throne.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

No, there is no potential to topple.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Once again, it would be a mistake to underestimate consequences arising from people massing in the streets.

BellaB's avatar

Hopefully people are putting the scientists’ march and the march for immigrants on their calendars. I have.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

That’s no scientists’ march, it’s an environmentalitsts’ march.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@JeSuisRickSpringfield Sanger was no more racist than anyone else of her generation. All of the “quotes” used to suggest otherwise are proven fakes or taken wildly out of context.
I was not a part of any of her conversations, neither did I have the opportunity to question her on any of her comments; I only have her words and what she said. I understand they could be out of context, I would not know, I had no chance to ask her to explain. I am maligned and lied on ad nauseam because people want to rip words I say out of context and manufacture a false meaning from them, even when I have cleared up the context of it. You have done no different with Trump’s pick for strategic adviser, you call him a racist and an anti-Semite, yet you show no examples of anything in print he said maligning Jews, Blacks, Asians, the disabled, women, gays, or anyone. So, how did you come to your conclusion? Maybe you took his comments out of context.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me I forgot you view environmentalist as fakers.
Just like climate change is faked to keep industries from dumping in the land, lakes, seas and air.

JLeslie's avatar

Let’s just say Sanger wanted to kill off the poor and the black people, and whomever else she decided was undesirable. So what? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China now? No one is being forced to have abortions, or to get sterilized.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I am an environmentalist.

Cruiser's avatar

59% approval rating and climbing….that’s YUGE!

Tropical_Willie's avatar

It’s Bigly JK

and also alternate facts

LostInParadise's avatar

@Cruiser , Could you offer a link to the 59%? I am seeing an abysmal 36% approval.

Seek's avatar

The 59% approval rating was Obama’s upon entering the White House. Sorry, @Cruiser.

But Trump has plagiarized his inaugural cake, so why not his approval rating, too?

Cruiser's avatar

@LostInParadise Not surprised CNN is promoting a 36% approval rating…
Based on a Rasmussen poll

LostInParadise's avatar

@Cruiser, I don’t know where Rasmussen got it numbers from, but this article has 5 polls, including Gallup, as of last week that do not have Trump higher than 44%

Cruiser's avatar

@lostinparadise another shining example of selective bias by liberal media

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Rasmussen is known for Republican bias and has the higher error for any political pollsters. Also they use questionable polling techniques for gathering input; they throw out any input that is in the middle and use only the “Hates” or “Likes.”

Track record of the worst President popularity poll.

They are the most conservative Republican pooling group, therefore @Cruiser anyone else must be Liberal by definition
Oh, they backed both Bush’s while in office.

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