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Veteran's, roll call?

Asked by Patty_Melt (17513points) November 9th, 2017

I am a vet.
Any other jellies?
Does anyone have sea stories or battle scars to share? I will if you will.

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Berserker's avatar

I have scars. MOOOOORTAAAAL KOOOOMBAAAAAT!!!

Patty_Melt's avatar

Never mind

ragingloli's avatar

I have killed more monsters and aliens than I can count.

ragingloli's avatar

Oh, and demons. So many dismembered demons.

canidmajor's avatar

@Patty_Melt: Not a veteran here, but I wanted to say that I’m sorry your Q got hijacked in such a stupid fashion.
Maybe get it moved to General?
And thanks for your service!

Patty_Melt's avatar

Thanks. You have a good soul.
I think I will leave it here, close to the questions about why it seems like Fluther is dying.

Berserker's avatar

Yeah and I’m a fucking piece of shit, I get it lol.

ragingloli's avatar

You can receive your praise over at Stormfront.

Berserker's avatar

That place that made all those Ghostbusters games but never included Winston in them?

jonsblond's avatar

I know many users avoid the meta section. You might have better luck if you move this Q. I’m interested to read responses from veterans. Thank you for your service PattyMelt.

Mimishu1995's avatar

Do I count?

Patty_Melt's avatar

Have you served in any military branch, of any country?
Maybe you know a vet you can mention.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

My grandpa served in wwII as a bike mechanic in France in the last year of the war in 1944. He only saw a German once. It was a disabled Luftwaffe. It left him alone . He wouldn’t talk about his past. Most of his history was lost when he died from a botched insulin shot that most likely killed him. He did joke about drinking dramboue in dramboue.

Mimishu1995's avatar

Oh. I was thinking of “vet” in the wrong way. Sorry @Patty_Melt :(

I don’t know any vet around me, but I think I know some vets on Fluther that I can send this question to.

And how about your share your story Patty?

Patty_Melt's avatar

Later. I have asked for this question to be moved to general. Others will see it when it gets there.
@RedDeerGuy1, gosh. Quite a story. I think it sounds like you miss him.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@Patty_Melt We whould watch the American news on pbs and cbs together and play rummy. Only him and my mom where positive impacts on my life. Most of my family and friends where let downs.

Patty_Melt's avatar

My hand over my heart for your Grandpa.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@Patty_Melt Thanks.. I was the one who screwed up my grandpas insulin shot. There was a homecare nurse who actually gave the shot. She asked me what dose to give between 0 and 25 and I said 12.5 . That seemed a reasonable middle ground. He died a half hour later. I pushed the medical button and told them thay he had a heart attack. I should have said that he had a insulin shot that was botched, but it didn’t come to mind. I felt responsible for killing one of the two people , at the time, who actually liked me.

josie's avatar

I’m one too
Like my dad
And his dad.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Thank you, @josie.
R E S P E C T

Soubresaut's avatar

My aunt was in the military. Unfortunately, that’s all I know. I don’t have any stories to share. But this question has inspired me to ask for them (from my mom and her sister).

And, of course, love you Patty_Melt.

jonsblond's avatar

My sister was in the Army and was in Berlin from 87–90. She witnessed the wall coming down and brought home pieces of the wall for us. This week is the anniversary and she’s been posting memories of the event. It was an amazing experience for her to witness.

Berserker's avatar

Oh. Vet roll call. I thought, in all honesty, that you meant Fluther veterans. Since it’s in meta.

Patty_Melt's avatar

I meant Fluther military veterans. That is why it is in meta.
It has confused and bewildered some, so I have asked that it be moved.
Still waiting for an available mod.

tedibear's avatar

I considered joining the Navy after college, but changed my mind.

My family has many veterans in it:

- My father and his brothers served in WWII, their uncle in WWI.
– Two brothers-in-law who were in the Navy; one a SEAL and one a pilot. I know that the SEAL was in-country in Viet Nam. One cousin who was a Marine in Viet Nam.
– One nephew was a Navy corpsman in one of the Iraqi and one cousin was in the Army there. Sadly, my cousin died.
– Another cousin was in the Air Force for about 15 years. She later became one of the first women correctional officers at Attica.

I know there are other people in my extended family, but I wouldn’t be able to come up with a complete list.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Wow. That is quite the list.
I am greatful to your family for the sacrifices, and dedication they have shared.
I am sorry for the pain and the losses they have suffered.

Pandora's avatar

My husband and my B-I-L (USMC), 2 female cousins (AF), 2 male cousins (1 Army and 1 Navy), and my son is active duty (AF). And my S-I-L (AF), and 2 cousin in laws, (navy).
As for stories, all I can offer up it when my husband came back from Desert Storm Desert Shield. After being gone for 11 months, 10 before his return, both my kids got the chicken pox, on top of that I caught the flu 4 days before his return. Not just any flu. A flu with a high fever that knocked me off my feet. Luckily, I told the doc that my husband was coming back to 2 kids recovering from the Pox, and now I was too sick to do anything for him when he got back. So she prescribed a medication that was only prescribed to pilots. She said in 2 days I should be good as new and she was right. I had a fever of 104. Well everything went well for his arrival and when I was standing there (in a hanger) waiting with my friend and her kids. Her kid throws up and he suddenly has a fever and complaining his ear hurts. Her husband was coming back with my husband. So, I and the kids welcome him home and ask about our friend. He said, he saw his wife getting the kids in the car and threatened the bus driver to stop. So he got off and went to the emergency room with her. (Their kids had a severe ear infection). Any how, back to my hubby and the rest of the troop. Everyone looked so tan it was hard to recognize any of them right away. I asked my husband what he mostly wanted to do and he said bathe and throw his crap (uniform) in the wash. When he got out of that tub, he was almost the same shade as when he left and my tub was black. Took me some time to clean that crap off. He said the showers were short and recycle water which smelled like gasoline. Next day they had a more formal welcome home and everyone was much lighter color. Oh, and my washing machine was gross after washing his uniforms. We threw out all his underwear. They were all a dark grey and started white.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Awesome. Tell them all thanks, from me.

Pandora's avatar

—Oh, I meant 10 days before his return. I kept getting interrupted.—
Will do. I forgot to add my thanks for all the military people and military families on Fluther.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Wow,@Pandora!
That is the most detailed version of a returning combat vet, recent times, I have heard.
The news shows smiles and tears, and surprise returns.
Family members tend to only talk about how glad they are to have their someone back.
During my active duty, I served with a number of combat vets who switched to navy to avoid any future combat. They didn’t talk about the combat time at all. I was cautioned on duty nights, if I ever had to wake petty officer so and so to relieve my post, to stand back, and shake his toe, then step back quick, because he frequently woke in kill mode.
That made me very sad. I only had to wake him once. It went okay.
No, I never got grabbed by anyone when I woke them for duty, or when any of them woke me.
There was that consenting situation once… sigh.
I did go on a training cruise with a pack of mids plus crew once.
People got drunk at destination.
I had to nicely suggest some drunken sailors find their bunk and sleep it off. That was after rescueing a mid who was ditched by his friends. Baby Zero, if you are out there, I still wonder sometimes how your career turned out.

Strauss's avatar

My dad and three of his brothers were vets of dubya-dubya-aye-aye (WWII).

My older brother was in the army in 1957–1959. Young men in the cold-war era were subject to the draft, but missed out on combat-vet benefits because Congress had decided that cold-war era vets weren’t serving in combat.

I served in the US Navy for a few years during the Vietnam fiasco I should say the American Fiasco in Vietnam!

My father-in-law was career military, also a Vietnam vet. More friends than inlaws, he once told me that he probably would not have liked me very much in the late 60’s and early 70’s. I agreed!

My wife’s brother was an Army nurse for awhile, his son is air force and my son is currently in the army.

Strauss's avatar

@Patty_Melt a number of combat vets who…didn’t talk about the combat time at all

For most returning ‘Nam vets it was the fact that they served period. To be sure, there was a certain percentage who were career-oriented, but most of us were either draftees (Army and Marines) or had enlisted (mostly Navy and Air Force) to avoid the draft.

Many who protested the war could not see the difference between politicians or bureaucrats who promoted and prolonged the fighting and the conscriptees who were forced to wage it.

I still feel a little guilty when I am thanked for my “service”, because I basically just kept my head down and waited for mu separation day.

cookieman's avatar

I was not in the military, but quite a few family members were/are:

• Dad was on an aircraft carrier in Vietnam
• Uncle drive a tank in Korea
• Another uncle was infantry in Korea
• Great Uncle was infantry in WWII
• Cousin was on the same aircraft carrier as my dad, but in the 80s
• Godson is currently on an aircraft carrier from Virginia

seawulf575's avatar

USN, Submariner. Served on the USS Seawolf (SSN575). That solves the mystery of my screen name. I served during peace time and was part of a crew doing missions of which I was not allowed to know the where or what. It was a bit odd being on a submarine that was older than I was.

Patty_Melt's avatar

@cookieman, my thanks to them all.

@Strauss, my thanks also to you. Volunteer, or draftee, those who have served, gave of themselves, and contributed to a stronger future. Even in sheer numbers a contribution is made.
Is anybody aware of inflatable tanks and trucks used to intimidate Hitler’s troops? They were set up to give the impression of greater might than was there.
@Strauss, you made a contribution, of time, energy, risk, and that is what you are being thanked for, not degree of willingness.
I was a peacetime navy woman. I made contributions of my own. I was instrumental in getting a uniform altered for women because pants were unavailable for one, and I alerted politicians to the fact that we cannot jump to-from a pier in those 40’s style knee binding skirts. Pants were added to the option.
During my time lots of women were being recruited, but it was mostly experimental. Frequent reports were made about observations of men and women working together, how men responded to women who outranked them, and how well women handled drudge work.
Lots of men were resistant to our being there. Some of us made a good example of how well women can function.
There was a young lady in the engine division who could throw a diesel engine tranny over her shoulder and march it to a workspace. I could hear men’s gonads popping just seeing her do it.
Me, I was tight, and agile. I was so buff, I could run down the pier, and you could not tell I wasn’t wearing a bra. I could shinny up and down a masthead like a chimp. I could carry gear up and down ladders hands free.
I could kick ass, and proved it when a petty officer twice my size refused to stop ridiculing me. He promptly went to the division office and bragged on my behalf that I had given him a serious whoopin’.
When I left the navy, he cried, and begged me to re-up.
Peacetime or war, volunteer or draftee, we all make our contributions, and are worthy of pride.

Pandora's avatar

Oh, I was telling my husband about his return from DSDS, and reminded him about the dirty bath tub. He said it was his MOP gear. They had to wear it at least 8 hours a day and it was in case of chemical attack. It had charcoal in it so they all would be covered in charcoal by the end of the day. The short showers in recycled water, he said smelled like diesel. Not gasoline. But close enough. That is why everyone was shades lighter the next time we all gathered. And that charcoal is no joke. It’s like grease and charcoal mixed together.

Muad_Dib's avatar

Lots of vets in my family. All dead now, most of them too young. None of them joined on purpose, and they’d all tell you enlisting is one of the stupidest decisions a person could make.

Edit: correction – there’s one cousin of my husband’s that joined on purpose. I’d never met him. He was killed in Afghanistan a few years ago. Don’t send thoughts or prayers to his mother, she doesn’t want them.

Patty_Melt's avatar

So, I’m stupid?
I joined to back up my publicly made comments that if women were allowed to join in large numbers, the military could be all volunteer, and nobody would have to be drafted again.
I still stand by those statements, my decision to join, and my pride for my service.
I resent any comments demeaning the service of any military vet, but especially on a thread meant for honoring those vets.

Muad_Dib's avatar

::shrug::

Ok. You asked for veteran stories. I’ve got 4 grandfathers who were WWII veterans (My mother’s stepfather, my stepfather’s father, and my husband’s two grandfathers), and one who was in Korea (my mother’s father). Three of them were Purple Heart recipients. They all had horror stories you wouldn’t believe if I told them.

I honour their collective belief that no one should go die in a war on purpose.

Resent whatever you want to – it doesn’t change the fact that they were veterans, and their stories are real, and you certainly don’t get to make judgements against wartime veterans in order to buff up your own peacetime enlistment pride.

Mimishu1995's avatar

@Patty_Melt I think @Muad_Dib just meant that her own family doesn’t like being a vet. She didn’t mean to dismiss anyone’s contribution.

Well as I think about it, my grandpa can be considered a vet to some degree.

During the war the government wanted ever help they could get to both fight back America and preserve the Communist system. They had a plan to divide their “soldiers” into two types: the first type went fighting and the other one would try to preserve valuable knowledge and ideology to aid with the fight and build the country once the war was over. Grandpa was chosen for the second type and he was sent to China to learn things. Although he never fought directly, in the eye of the government he was an active soldier. He also held dear to Communist teaching, which gave him a boost.

At his funeral, I could see some old “comrades” of his. And he was awarded some kind of medals for putting up a good fight.

Edit: China, not Russia. People back then were either sent to Russia or China. Russia was a more popular destination.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Hey, that is an interesting accounting!

canidmajor's avatar

@Mimishu1995 I’ll just betcha that @Patty_Melt knows exactly what @Muad_Dib was saying and really didn’t need you to interpret.

Patty_Melt's avatar

@Maud, I made no judgements against any vets, but this is my thread, and you are beimg disrespectful to vets in all capacities. You have been flagged.
This thread is for the honoring and participation of military vets.
Anyone who wishes to debate the ethicacy of military service ought to start their own thread.
Promise: you won’t find me there.

seawulf575's avatar

@Muad_Dib You are partially correct…there are differences between war time and peace time enlistments. But you are dead wrong on enlisting on purpose being one of the stupidest decisions a person could make. I enlisted and got a good education as well as tons of experience which I have since parlayed into a career I have been with for 30+ years. It was an excellent decision for me. I also know many, many people that enlisted in war time and they do not regret it either. They made a conscious decision based on their beliefs and morals and lived by them. It is extremely rude of you to make such broad stroke comments that demeans everyone that doesn’t think like you.

jonsblond's avatar

I’ve never met a wartime vet who regretted their decision. They are all extremely proud or very humble.

imrainmaker's avatar

I’m not a vet and don’t have any history either but respect All soldiers who give up their lives / leave their families behind to protect their homeland irrespective of the country they belong to.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Wars are the fault of failed diplomacy and old men who sit as our elected leaders, not the fault of the young people who are asked to fight and die in them. And every time a young person signs their entry papers into one of our service branches, they are stating that they will fight in case of war. Young people. People who’ve not yet even begun to live a life are willing, naive or otherwise, to lay their life on the line for their country. That must be honored.

When I was a stupid young man, I didn’t understand that and I held the same sentiments as ragingloli.

My family war history is long and multigenerational, although I myself never pulled a duty station in a service other than the Swedish Merchant Marines. My training in the 1980s involved a six-week boot camp involving light weaponry and then we were trained to spot and report antennae on Russian trawlers and read water for signs of mini subs in the Baltic. There was a lot intrigue and activity out there in the 80’s, but never confrontation. This I know, pales in significance to the service performed by @Patty_Melt, @josie and others here.

I had an Aunt who was a member of the DAR, so I imagine that I have an ancestor who partook in the American Revolution. I have in my family people who fought on both sides of the Civil War. On the maternal side, there were Kentuckians who were burned out of their properties by Sherman in 1861, the sons of whom readily joined up with the South hunting for vengeance. Kentucky never declared allegiance to either side during that war. Those sons moved their families to Texas after the war to start all over again as cattlemen and cotton growers.

On my father’s side, were Yankees who fought and died in that war from the very start in 1861..

My great uncle Vince was with the 1st Infantry Division, the Big Red One, and gassed at Soissons in 1918. He came home, but was never the same again.

My father was with the USMC in the Marshall Islands during WWII. He caught a shell fragment to the forehead on the beach at Eniwetok. It was his ticket home. After recuperation in a hospital in Santa Barbara, California, orders were changed and he was sent to Boca Raton, Florida by troop train for “Tropicalization” in preparation for the invasion of Japan. On the troop train back to the West Coast for embarkment back into the war in the Pacific, we dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the war ended. He was mustered out soon after arrival at San Diego.

His brothers all fought in WWII, one in North Africa and Italy, another took part in the D-Day Invasion. They all lived to raise families back home in the States.

My older brother did two tours in Vietnam with the US Army as a combat medic. He arrived in Vietnam exactly one year after the Tet Offensive and American troops were out after blood. He didn’t talk much about that tour. He didn’t like what he saw.

He came home from combat and couldn’t adjust to a divided America, couldn’t adjust to people and old friends who had no understanding of what was actually taking place on the ground in Vietnam. So, he went back to where he felt more comfortable, among his brothers in arms. His second tour was on a “rubber boat” with a combined Army/Navy Task Force in the Mekong Delta. Wounded were dusted off, placed on choppers and sent to hospital ships just off the coast. I imagine one of those hospital ships were manned by Strauss.

Mike lived through it We worked on the Burlington Northern Railroad together and shared an apartment in Chicago soon after he mustered out. He was earning money to supplement his GI Bill go to medical school. About three months after his last tour he was killed working on the repair track. I escorted his body home to our mother.

MrGrimm888's avatar

My father was in the Vietnam War . He was captured once, then freed by special forces. He did some horrible things. Horrible that he had to do them, I mean.

Example.

One night he, and another soldier were sleeping in a fox hole. He awoke suddenly to realize that two VC troops had snuck into his hole, and had just decapitated the other sleeping soldier. Too afraid to act, he pretended to be asleep (keep in mind, he was 19 years old.)They poked him with the machete they killed his buddy with. They were laughing, and poking him harder, and harder. Eventually, he sprang up. He was able to wrestle the machete away from them. He killed them both with the machete. He was so caught up in the moment, or having a psychotic breakdown or whatever, that he just kept chopping them. He chopped them, until they were mush, and kept chopping. Other soldiers (US) heard the commotion, and came to his aid. They had to restrain him, as he wouldn’t stop chopping the dead VC troops…

The night before Christmas, he and a fellow soldier were doing ambush patrol by a Bob Hope concert/event. Ambush patrol means you walk around in small numbers, until you are attacked (the VC didn’t usually attack large numbered forces,) then a larger group comes in to fight the engaged VC.
The quiet night was interrupted by gun fire. My father was shot multiple times, from his right shin up his chest. His vest saved his life, but he was gravely injured. The other soldier he was with got hit in the armpit.
They were suddenly surrounded. The VC were so close, he could hear them whispering. As his wounds gushed blood, he threw grenades all around himself, and fired repeatedly into the darkness. US troops arrived, and got him on a stretcher. They had to fire while evacuating him, so they had to put him down and fight multiple times , pick him up and keep carrying him. He was put into a chopper, and taken to a MASH unit, were he was stabilized. He was then put on a plane to Walter Reed Hospital, with orders for amputation of his right leg.
He refused the amputation. He underwent many surgeries, and skin grafts, to close the massive hole in his leg. He spent almost a year lying on his stomach (the exit wound in what was left of his calf was the worst injury. He spent the better part of another year on his back. None of his family visited him once.

Years of rehab, and sheer will won him back all his mobility. Although he was/is in constant pain, he eeked out an honest living, and is still alive today. He has five children, and many grandkids.

He is a mere wisp of the fire he used to be. He has been plagued by almost constant nightmares, and mental health issues.

He is the number one reason, that I would NEVER join the military. I still respect those who have / do. But it’s not for me.

Thank you for your service Patty :)

Patty_Melt's avatar

Wow. Tell your dad I send my love. He is one of the reasons I joined.
War is horrible stuff. I could just never handle knowing so many men were forced to go, without any choice.
I didn’t join for glory, or money, or to find a husband (some do). I joined so our military could be a join only, no draft military. I have always felt that if we are to be a free country, we should be freely fought for.
Again, my love to your dad.

Patty_Melt's avatar

EC, I would say you paid quite a price, without joining US armed forces.
A moment of silence for those who were lost, fighting for their beliefs, fighting for their country, fighting for their lives, fighting so maybe the guys back home won’t have to.

Mimishu1995's avatar

A bit off topic, but at one point I considered joining the army when the new about China building an old rig right in my country’s sea first came out. I was on edge at that time. I didn’t want to fight but I knew I didn’t have any choice if the situation went out of hand. I then fantasized about being in the army and fighting stuff. It both freaked me out and fascinated me at the same time.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Wow, lady, I just got a new insight to you.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Patty_Melt . I’ll tell my father what you said.

I was thinking, as I typed his story. Those two instances, took up about 40 minutes of his time there. The rest was pretty bad too. He was in the jungle the whole time. I can’t imagine doing what he did.

@Mimishu1995 . You bring up a good point. Sometimes, there are things worth fighting for. If you joined, I would worry about you. I hope China calms the F down. The US has your back. Hopefully it won’t come to war…

Lots of powerful stories, and thoughts here…

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